CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #25 *ARREST*

[Trudie]

Thank you for this info. Catches me up a bit. Still, that doesn't mean she was handing Baby K over after dinner or for the holiday weekend.

No. Prob’ was never plans, he had to ask her to dinner to keep her from making other plans, imo. His plans were far more important. Ugh. So many details when one must kill in collaboration (per charges in civvie) with another. Moo

 

[Gardener1850]

Thank you for this info. Catches me up a bit. Still, that doesn't mean she was handing Baby K over after dinner or for the holiday weekend.

Yes, I agree. KB had 4 days off. I don't think giving Baby K to PF for her days off was in her plan. It may have been what PF told people however. MOO.

 

[zecats]

No. Prob’ was never plans, he had to ask her to dinner to keep her from making other plans, imo. His plans were far more important. Ugh. So many details when one must kill in collaboration (per charges in civvie) with another. Moo

Maybe the recipe she got from her mom that morning was a dessert. And the "plan" would have been to return from dinner and have dessert there. Just a thought.

 

[MyBelle]

Sure. But that wouldn’t be good enough. A dog simply hitting on an area, is not conclusive proof of death.

I don’t care how many dogs do it. You still need forensic evidence to back it up.

Wouldn't be "good enough" for what? All we know is LE has said they believe KB is dead. A cadaver dog hit at Berkley Marina was enough to convict Scott Peterson with the death penalty.

Cadaver dogs hit on scents of decomposition. If that existed at KB's home, I'm not surprised LE has said they believe she's dead. JMO

 

[zecats]

Yes, I agree. KB had 4 days off. I don't think giving Baby K to PF for her days off was in her plan. It may have been what PF told people however. MOO.

Agree with you 100%. Also moo

 

[MassGuy]

Every time I think about the chimney I remember the video clip of LE looking in the door and up to the left, which is the opposite direction from the chinmey, but is where the pony wall and loft would be, IMO.

Remembering how tall PF is, I wondered about some place like an attic access or similar, that maybe he could reach when most folks couldn't. If he opened the ceiling hatch (don't know if there actually is one or not) and tossed, say, a blunt object with blood or DNA on it far inside, LE might have needed the ladder to climb up in there to search for/retrieve it. I know this scenario is unlikely, but it's one idea.

We see murder weapons hidden like that, but it usually occurs when a murder occurs with two people living under the same roof.

When a husband kills a wife for instance, and he tries to sell the story that some third party came in and attacked her, he might dump the murder weapon inside the house, due to a lack of time in which to properly dispose of it.

PF had no such time constraints.

I think the weapon left the house at the same time Kelsey’s body did.

 

[Trudie]

Maybe the recipe she got from her mom that morning was a dessert. And the "plan" would have been to return from dinner and have dessert there. Just a thought.

Maybe there was no call. Maybe LE asked her to say she had talked to her, wanting PF to THINK KB had told her things. Idk. Moo
The person with her phone would know if KB spokecwith CB or not.

 

[NoeticSoul]

She had to be in town to visit PF and if she was still in town 2 days after KB was reportedly murdered, I wonder what the conversation between KK and PF would be at this point. Sarcasm intended.

Plus I can't see her not being aware of what had happened on the 24th. But to nonchalantly go to Sonic and order what? a burger? fries? after a woman had been murdered just floors me.

Floors me too. And as someone else described upthread, there is no way any woman with even a shred of intelligence and moral compass would send fake texts and dispose of her 'friends/bf's' baby's mother's cellphone, purse, or God knows what else was brought back to Idaho. moo, smh

 

[Hatfield]

Y'know, if it were absolutely anyone else on the planet, I would argue that there's no way a person who took months carefully plotting and planning the murder would arrive at this as their master plan, given the complicated and messy clean-up it would involve.

However, this is PF we're talking about, so yeah...I can see it.

It boggles the mind.

The only part of his plan that appears to have worked (so far) is the concealment of KB's body. I haven't given up hope that she will be found. Because, again, this is PF we're talking about.

JMO.

IKR

Let's go to the dump while the heat is being turned up by LE. I'll just stay in the car and nobody will notice.

I may even get rid of some paint cans as they will blend in with the other trash. LOL

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe she was not as close to her family/mother as we think (for whatever reasons) and it was normal to go a week or so without communication. moo

But with everyone? I feel really sad if she had no one looking for her. I don’t have any relatives in state, but they would contact my apartment office after more than 24 hrs if they could not get a reply out of me.

In fact tomorrow I plan to ask the apt mgr about a young woman here...I have not seen her in weeks, or her pets, and notices keep piling up on her door, one atop the last. Yet her nice patio furniture is all there. I noticed within days that she seemed to be gone, as I saw her with her big dog every day...and it keeps bugging me.

 

[Vandalay Industries]

If there is one thing I feel confident in, it’s the work of the FBI. They have evidence, strong evidence, to warrant his arrest, and they are working tirelessly to cross their T’s and dot their I’s to make sure this carries through trial. Just have to wait and see it all unfold. JMO

 

[The Night Watchman]

I have to say this really is a mystery for me too, and I live alone as well. 11 days to report her missing seems like a really long time.

It is a long time.

So who does it bring suspicion upon?

Her family, friends, DOSS, and PF.

I rule out family and DOSS in any involvement. Obviously. We have not heard of friends in Woodland Park. I think KB was more isolated than we would like to think a successful professional woman would be. She was in cowboy country, and had a child and didn't really fit in there as far as I can tell.

It seems to be an odd situation where the texts on the 25th did what they were supposed to. This is surprising, but I think that is all there is to it- it worked. I don't believe at any point, PF thought he had more than a day or two to complete his coverup.

My point is that I don't think of 11 days as a time to coverup for a crime of murder, I think a day or two at most. PF had no way to know how much time he had.

 

[cluciano63]

Sure. But that wouldn’t be good enough. A dog simply hitting on an area, is not conclusive proof of death.

I don’t care how many dogs do it. You still need forensic evidence to back it up.

Or a witness?

 

[gitana1]

I guess what keeps me tied to her not being involved to that degree (the actual murder), is that she isn't behind bars yet.

I think it's clear she was involved in some manner. The question is did she know what she was involved in and to what extent was she involved. Or was she just involved in the sense that someone asked for help but she refused.

I tend to think it was more than that because of the location of the phone ping. But I don't have a clue past that. It's possible she didn't realize what was really going on.

But my point isn't whether and to what extent she's involved. It's that some have suggested she couldn't be because she's a nurse and a mom. And I think that's a very innocent manner of thinking.

 

[srg]

AoA, you think the dump run precipitated the second search? I don’t. I think a more thorough search was in the works based on info from a witness. Jmo

I was also thinking dump run led to 2nd search. But can see how a witness came forward (as things got hotter) and told LE what went down.

However, this witness is then certainly very, very close to the crime. And does this witness also know where the body is, or pieces of the body are? I guess so. Time will tell.

 

[NoeticSoul]

IKR

Let's go to the dump while the heat is being turned up by LE. I'll just stay in the car and nobody will notice.

I may even get rid of some paint cans as they will blend in with the other trash. LOL

Hahaha I need that laugh thank you!

 

[gitana1]

It is a long time.

So who does it bring suspicion upon?

Her family, friends, DOSS, and PF.

I rule out family and DOSS in any involvement. Obviously. We have not heard of friends in Woodland Park. I think KB was more isolated than we would like to think a successful professional woman would be. She was in cowboy country, and had a child and didn't really fit in there as far as I can tell.

It seems to be an odd situation where the texts on the 25th did what they were supposed to. This is surprising, but I think that is all there is to it- it worked. I don't believe at any point, PF thought he had more than a day or two to complete his coverup.

My point is that I don't think of 11 days as a time to coverup for a crime of murder, I think a day or two at most. PF had no way to know how much time he had.

Interesting points.

One question though: isn't Idaho also pretty country and cowboy? Is that where KB was from?

 

[MassGuy]

Wouldn't be "good enough" for what? All we know is LE has said they believe KB is dead. A cadaver dog hit at Berkley Marina was enough to convict Scott Peterson with the death penalty.

Cadaver dogs hit on scents of decomposition. If that existed at KB's home, I'm not surprised LE has said they believe she's dead. JMO

They knew Laci was dead because her body eventually detached from its anchor.

They literally had a body to prove that she was dead.

A dog hitting on a location, only indicates that a dead body was there. It is not proof.

I don’t believe that law enforcement would be so reckless as to make a determination like that, without solid evidence to back it up.

A dog alerting on a spot, with no forensic evidence to support the dog’s findings, ain’t it.

 

[cluciano63]

I know it was weeks ago when the first rumors had surfaced about KK. It is at least possible she has been talking to LE since then.

 

[jaspermac]

Did anyone catch the line in this article that ABC confirmed KK is a "person of interest" in this investigation?

PICTURED: Female nurse, 32, 'who assisted killer fiance Patrick Frazee' | Daily Mail Online

Would love to see that declared but I think the reporting by DM is a little suspect on this one. They say ABC news reported her as a person of interest on monday- which was Dec 31. I could not find anything on ABC news and do not remember anyone declaring her a person of interest. I don't even think the story broke quite yet. I think it broke Jan 2. JMO