CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[SandyQLS]

It could also have been her mother IMO - in my state- you are not allowed to name a non-spouse, non-blood relative as the beneficiary - I know, I tried it. Was not accepted as a beneficiary so had to name a blood relative.

I definitely named a friend as my life insurance beneficiary, for years, no problem, no restriction.

For minor children, we wrote the name of the adult who would handle the money for the child and "FBO Named Child". FBO = for the benefit of

 

[1mtroyal]

If PF were to stage a murder to look like a robbery, and plan to choke her, he would still have to bring a gun (probably a handgun) in case she got away or someone unexpectedly showed up. IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Well that is certainly true. But I don't think that's how most would've interpreted your post! Because how could an answer that invokes the fifth help them in their civil case?

It helps the plaintiff because a judge/jury can consider the invoking of the Fifth in a civil case whether it be about child custody or life insurance proceeds. PF is going to respond or he isn't but either way, he loses.

JMO

 

[Charlot123]

I definitely think KB was controlled by PF. She had no family, assuming no friends in CO given her long work hours and I can assume the majority of her free time was spent with Baby K. PF met her online, physically moved her from her home and close knit family, and within months conceived an "oopsie" baby and I imagine she learned quickly that it wasn't going to work out, but she loved her job and made such an extensive commute daily so that Baby K could still be in her father's life, because she was a good, selfless person and wanted a stable life for her daughter.

I also imagine that she realized quickly he was also not committed to her and his refusal to leave his mother's nest added additional strain to their relationship. I just think she never had a chance from the get-go and it breaks my heart. He had all kinds of connections from ranching and the rodeo circuit, as well as his brother in LE in Colorado Springs. If she caught wind of any behavior, he probably threatened her and shut her down. She had no one to talk to as her parents would've worried sick being states away.

I'm just rambling over this whole thing due to the absence of news reports, but I just think she was a true victim from the beginning and that he chose her fate long before "September 2018." I think he felt KB was a roadblock to being a free man once the unexpected pregnancy arose. JMO.

I think she was controlled. That is, any therapist would have pointed it out to her, but she herself did not see it. Maybe she did not have enough experience with men, or perhaps she looked at positive things. He probably was not on drugs, not an alcoholic, a Christian or came across as such. I think she made all these check marks and did not notice the negatives.

Another thing is, she was more or less tied up in this situation. I think she would feel too proud being an unwed mom back home, the same pride would prevent her from saying, "you are not seeing the kid unless I have a ring on my finger", like some other women would. So she moved to the place where she did not know anyone and had zero help, and by doing this, she had to give up too many points.

For example, why buy a house next to him and commute over an hour each way? The message was, she was an ambitious person working at her career. It might have been very different; she stayed with a big company, among other reasons, for insurance for herself and the baby, and because PF definitely refused to move or contribute to a daycare, she had to commute each way, daily, to be closer to her kid.

Interestingly, no one has ever asked this question. An infant needs insurance, visits to a pediatrician, shots. Who paid for the insurance for KB and baby K? Were they on PF's insurance, or was it provided by DOSS?

If it was from DOSS, here is a totally different outlook on the situation. KB might have not stayed with them merely for the dream job, but also, because as the big company, they provided medical insurance.

Etc, etc. She was controlled by the situation. And spreading herself too thin by being a mom and working as the pilot. And then of course, this gave PF the reason to say that he was the main provider because IRL, he did nothing to help KB.

 

[Mimi in London]

They are headquartered in London, but have employees all over the US, from what I understand.
IMO their employees actually get their feet on the ground and find people to interview, rather than just cut and paste their news like many MSM outlets in the US.
Google them, they are on LinkedIn and GlassDoor as well.
Moo

It’s true. (In addition to paying for leads) they have huge global reporting resource, and the scoop/publishing first is a priority. You can tell which pieces are written by an American or Brilitish or Australian reporter just by the vocabulary and syntax used.

I’m not a DM fan. Quite on the contrary.

Moo

 

[Charlot123]

I'm not sure what will compel PF to start talking. At first I thought it would be investigators talking about his child to him, but I don't believe that anymore.

I believe he's going to remain tight lipped. I can honestly see if he's offered a plea deal, with the death penalty removed, for life in prison, he still won't say a word. He will go to his death and a date determined for him.

I believe that's how much he despises KB, especially her family right now.

I think despises might be a wrong term. I think he hated KB and probably hates her family. Why, I don't know, but for some reason he feels they broke his life. Or something like it.

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo we should hope this body found is Kelsey. Her family needs this to happen and the prosecutors as well. Her being found this soon-ish could provide evidence of cause of death at least. Not sure why many are relieved that this body seems not to be Kelsey.

 

[MassGuy]

Jmo we should hope this body found is Kelsey. Her family needs this to happen and the prosecutors as well. Her being found this soon-ish could provide evidence of cause of death at least. Not sure why many are relieved that this body seems not to be Kelsey.

I never thought there was even the smallest chance that the body found was hers, so I never got my hopes up.

Yes, at this point we are all aware that she is dead, and the recovery of her body would be a good thing.

It would finally allow her family to put her to rest, and could aid the prosecution’s case against PF.

I’m less than optimistic that she’ll ever be found, as I think he hid her too well for law enforcement to be able to find her on their own.

He’d have to tell them where she is.

 

[Marli61]

Jmo we should hope this body found is Kelsey. Her family needs this to happen and the prosecutors as well. Her being found this soon-ish could provide evidence of cause of death at least. Not sure why many are relieved that this body seems not to be Kelsey.

I absolutely agree with you!

 

[susiQ]

I think despises might be a wrong term. I think he hated KB and probably hates her family. Why, I don't know, but for some reason he feels they broke his life. Or something like it.

Narcs hate anyone that sees behind the mask.

 

[cluciano63]

I definitely named a friend as my life insurance beneficiary, for years, no problem, no restriction.

For minor children, we wrote the name of the adult who would handle the money for the child and "FBO Named Child". FBO = for the benefit of

If you live in a community property state and are married, you have to name your spouse...or have their written permission not to.

 

[MassGuy]

Narcs hate anyone that sees behind the mask.

Anyone wearing a mask hates that.

That’s the point of a mask.

 

[Marli61]

I never thought there was even the smallest chance that the body found was hers, so I never got my hopes up.

Yes, at this point we are all aware that she is dead, and the recovery of her body would be a good thing.

It would finally allow her family to put her to rest, and could aid the prosecution’s case against PF.

I’m less than optimistic that she’ll ever be found, as I think he hid her too well for law enforcement to be able to find her on their own.

He’d have to tell them where she is.

While ita with @cluciano63 's post stating it would be great if this body found was Kelsey's... I also agree with you that I think it's unlikely her body will ever be found unless he talks.

 

[Jupiter05]

I do not think that PF is very wordly. I think his life has been rodeos, shoeing, dogs, cattle, feed stores, etc. I beleive that KB was "in the way" and he just wanted her gone and wanted to keep the baby. I think he lacks social skills and critical thinking of issues beyond his mothers "ranch". I do not think it was due to life insurance or anything monetary. I think his world is and has always been small. It was more likely a selfish act for selfish reasons and he could not think of another way, as most people would. It could be custodial, but not monetary. IMO.

 

[susiQ]

Jmo we should hope this body found is Kelsey. Her family needs this to happen and the prosecutors as well. Her being found this soon-ish could provide evidence of cause of death at least. Not sure why many are relieved that this body seems not to be Kelsey.

BBM
I think it's because when you hear "body parts" or "remains" it's just speaks of a gruesome demise and it makes us gringe. We want her whole, however unlikely that may be. For me, as a mother, I would want anything they find, just to have her back. Thinking of a loved one, even dead, out there alone is heart wrenching.

 

[Snow Flower]

I think PF was a player who used one woman against the other. His plan may have escalated when he found out KK was coming for Thanksgiving, especially when he may have still been seeing KB occasionally. I say he was still seeing her occasionally because her mother said they were all going out for dinner later on Thanksgiving Day. I asked myself why a pilot instructor would have bought a home in his area in May if they had been broken up since New Years Day 2018? She could have bought a home in Pueblo, close to work. Homes are less expensive there too. I think she was in love with PF and had hopes of them getting back together. If they broke up when the baby was 3 months old I wonder whose idea the family picture was? Do you agree to a family picture if you aren’t planning to be together in 3 months? Don’t forget she moved there to be near him. I bet he was lying to KK about his status with KB and her coming there would present a problem with both of them wanting his time on Thanksgiving. JMO.

 

[Charlot123]

I never thought there was even the smallest chance that the body found was hers, so I never got my hopes up.

Yes, at this point we are all aware that she is dead, and the recovery of her body would be a good thing.

It would finally allow her family to put her to rest, and could aid the prosecution’s case against PF.

I’m less than optimistic that she’ll ever be found, as I think he hid her too well for law enforcement to be able to find her on their own.

He’d have to tell them where she is.

He will not.

He might not care about his daughter that much, but he probably wants to come across as "unjustly accused" father.

Also, he has broken the lives of other people - some people in his family who supported him, his mom's life for sure, and maybe, some collaterals in ID who were unaware of his plans and doings and yet ended up getting sucked into this horrible situation.

He might feel some shame because of this. And for this reason, he'd never acknowledge what he's really done. I don't know if it is strength of character, or obstinacy.

Plus, I think he is honestly scared of opening his mouth in public.

He will have many problems. He is not the person who would participate in mens therapy groups, who would seek for any support in prison. He is not CW. He will not suck up to a stronger person. He has some fear of opening up. Maybe it has to do with trying to be a macho while being raised without a father model and ending up o verdoing the macho part. He is at a high risk group for self-harm. JMO.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I think it just means there are witnesses named in the affidavit (likely the solicitees, etc.) who are NOT to be contacted by PF while he is in jail. There are also likely various family members listed in it, and he is permitted to speak to them.

IMO

That's what I thought. Just wonder why any of his family members would be named in the arrest Affidavit.

 

[NoeticSoul]

While ita with @cluciano63 's post stating it would be great if this body found was Kelsey's... I also agree with you that I think it's unlikely her body will ever be found unless he talks.

Unless someone else who knows talks! I hope

 

[CDB]

Ita. IMO, baby K is the Bennie on any insurance policy KB might have. Therefore, PF would not get the money, imo. I’m not sure about CO, where I’m at the payout must be invested for the minor child.
Moo

If it is a work provided insurance then it may be restricted to only lawful spouses or children and benefactors, though privately purchased insurance can be purchased with nothing more than insurable interest being proven. Having a co-parent situation would meet most insurance companies requirements for insurable interest, so do not discount that they may have life insurance on each other. It would be private policies similar to how co-owners of business often cross insure each other.

Edited for clarity: This is State specific, this was the way that it worked in Utah and Idaho***