CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #35 *ARREST*

[InvSmith]

Just wanted to note: that's a LOT of driving to do over the course of three or four days - however long she was in Colorado.

Well, actually, she wouldn't have been able to spend that much time in Colorado, because so much time would have been taken up on the road.

I wonder what she told her family about her Thanksgiving trip to Colorado.

This is really a long time to drive in a car with a victim's phone.

Yes, but the question Was about a civil lawsuit and the effect on the nursing license, not criminal charges.

The Board will ask a very broad question regarding lawsuits on their applications and renewals which are voluntarily disclosed. If, the civil case demonstrated some form of negligence meeting the Board's standards of conduct the answer would be yes. Medical professional face civil cases more often and it is a case by case basis. The civil and criminal would go through the same process. Both are voluntarily reported. This one is well known because it is public. If it were not, the Board would not know probably until the renewal unless she was very honest.

 

[MyBelle]

MyBelle:


An educated guess, based upon factual data.

An educated guess is still a guess when there is no body. PF picked up his daughter on Thanksgiving. Where is the proof he also murdered her mother that day?

JMO

 

[katydid23]

An educated guess is still a guess when there is no body. PF picked up his daughter on Thanksgiving. Where is the proof he also murdered her mother that day?

JMO

I think that proof is in the evidence bags taken away by the forensics team later on.

 

[InvSmith]

Yes, earlier MSM reports CB ask for wellfare check on the 25th.

Thanks! LE list her missing on 11/22 and by memory, her Mom was already trying to locate on 11/22, 11/23.

 

[Jupiter05]

I agree, if this is the result, it is shocking.
Friday can't come quickly enough so we know.
Many hated NK associated with CW, here for me, KK is someone I dislike.
Perhaps as with NK, we may not ever know KK's entire involvement.
But, these women nail their friend, big time, and perhaps disappear into the sunset, not a care in the world.
MOO.

Although I feel that NK was irresponsible, naive, and showed a severe lack of morality, I do not think she is in the same category as KK. That KK knew and assisted in tampering with evidence is beyond comprehension. She deserves to suffer the consequences of her actions such as prison time, long parole, losing her kids, losing her nursing license, public ridicule, and to live with the reality of her involvement forever. IMO

 

[katydid23]

And why would she have given him their daughter that day? She worked 40 hours a week while he had the baby all that time, every week. This was a holiday and her day off. WHY would she not want her baby home with her that day? It makes no sense to me.

And if she was giving him the baby at 1 pm, why would she go to the store at 11:30 and take her baby along? Why not wait until she could go alone? Thats is a lot easier.

 

[WildcatRunner]

Yes, but the question Was about a civil lawsuit and the effect on the nursing license, not criminal charges.

Correct, @gitana1 , and I probably shouldn't have made it look like my question was posed towards you - I was just spinning off your previous statement that made me think of it.
@InvSmith , do you know, from your experience, if someone if found civilly responsible for the involvement in someone's death, would that be treated similarly to being criminally involved - akin to a homicide or murder charge? Or would it been seem less negatively because it was a civil action?

 

[InvSmith]

She goes to the market around noon on Thanksgiving. No one ever sees her, hears from her, ever again. There is no activity on her cells, expect for the phony texts. And no activity on her bank cards. She calls no one to say Happy Thanksgiving, doesn't have dinner with anyone that night, even after baking a bunch of cinnamon buns.
She never checks in on her precious child?

I think it is pretty obvious when she departed this earth.

This is the saddest but truest statement for today.

 

[Jupiter05]

And why would she have given him their daughter that day? She worked 40 hours a week while he had the baby all that time, every week. This was a holiday and her day off. WHY would she not want her baby home with her that day? It makes no sense to me.

And if she was giving him the baby at 1 pm, why would she go to the store at 11:30 and take her baby along? Why not wait until she could go alone? Thats is a lot easier.

Lots of questions that we will hopefully have answers to soon.

 

[Seattle1]

An educated guess is still a guess when there is no body. PF picked up his daughter on Thanksgiving. Where is the proof he also murdered her mother that day?

JMO

Do you not believe KB is dead?

 

[gitana1]

If things appear when she is questioned to turn it around in any sense, can the plea deal be nullified and turned to murder? Say for example, after PF testifies and it could be proven she was involved in KB's death can KKL then be tried on murder or this plea deal wipes that possibility out?

Yes. I mean if new evidence comes out they can charge her with something else. But that really only happens on Perry Mason.

 

[gitana1]

An educated guess is still a guess when there is no body. PF picked up his daughter on Thanksgiving. Where is the proof he also murdered her mother that day?

JMO

Logic. And evidence that we don't have right now.

 

[tmar]

Like a d@mm traffic ticket!

With a traffic ticket, having a good background, you may get off with a warning.
I wonder in this case, using her past as a dedicated, caring nurse, KK may get away with a rap on the knuckles, if she testifies against PF, even in a murder case.
Certainly she'll do this, to save herself.
MOO.

 

[SaranWrapPetunia]

And why would she have given him their daughter that day? She worked 40 hours a week while he had the baby all that time, every week. This was a holiday and her day off. WHY would she not want her baby home with her that day? It makes no sense to me.

And if she was giving him the baby at 1 pm, why would she go to the store at 11:30 and take her baby along? Why not wait until she could go alone? Thats is a lot easier.

Some separated parents compromise to be fair. If KB had plans to take the baby to her parents over Christmas, it would be only fair that PF could have her for Thanksgiving. MOO

 

[InvSmith]

Correct, @gitana1 , and I probably shouldn't have made it look like my question was posed towards you - I was just spinning off your previous statement that made me think of it.
@InvSmith , do you know, from your experience, if someone if found civilly responsible for the involvement in someone's death, would that be treated similarly to being criminally involved - akin to a homicide or murder charge? Or would it been seem less negatively because it was a civil action?

The cause of death would be the investigation undertaken by the Board in both matters of civil and criminal. The matters are different in that the level of evidence and focus are severity are very different. The Board will deal with Civil matters much more frequently. A person found guilty of murder civilly and criminally would not be treated differently. I would say the criminal would just be quicker and easier to work through. A death from murder is murder. Death from other means would be a different matter.

 

[katydid23]

Some separated parents compromise to be fair. If KB had plans to take the baby to her parents over Christmas, it would be only fair that PF could have her for Thanksgiving. MOO

True, but he didn't hear from her for many days and never blinked and eye. They live in the same town and he wasnt going away for Thanksgiving. So there is no reason that he wouldn't expect to share time with her that thanksgiving holiday vacation time.

 

[Jupiter05]

It has been 6 weeks since PF was arrested, and the FBI were in Idaho in November, in KK's area. It will be interesting to find out WHY it took so long to bring KK to this point. She obviously lawyered up and was not forthcoming with information. My guess is that LE had to spend time and resources to lean on her to get her to talk, and that angers me. For that reason alone, she deserves some prison time. Much more than a slap on the wrist. IMO

 

[MassGuy]

It has been 6 weeks since PF was arrested, and the FBI were in Idaho in November, in KK's area. It will be interesting to find out WHY it took so long to bring KK to this point. She obviously lawyered up and was not forthcoming with information. My guess is that LE had to spend time and resources to lean on her to get her to talk, and that angers me. For that reason alone, she deserves some prison time. Much more than a slap on the wrist. IMO

It may have taken this long to verify what she told them.

They wouldn’t have taken her word at face value. They know better than to do that.

If anything, I’m encouraged that it took them this long. I absolutely don’t take it as a sign of a lack of cooperation.

I think she was talking right away.

 

[Dave F.]

It wasn't before Tgiving because she spoke to her mother that morning. But she was not seen or heard from after that trip to the market.

We have never seen that she left the market, and her mother said she talked to her twice that day. Lots of questions, and literally no answers.....not even to the simplest questions. IMO

 

[gitana1]

I think that proof is in the evidence bags taken away by the forensics team later on.

You know unfortunately for some it comes down to they need a case to have zero doubt at all. Not "reasonable" doubt, but none.

So for most people, when you have, for example, forensic evidence and witness testimony indicating someone asked another person on three separate occasions, to murder the mother of their child, and then had text conversations back and forth with the mother setting up a thanksgiving celebration, but then the celebration never happens, mom appears to have prepared for the celebration, goes to the store to buy supplies for a dish she's planning to take to the celebration, but she is last seen at that store the same day and is never seen again, neighbors see the father's truck at her house shortly after or around the time she was at the store, he ends up with the baby she brought to the store, but mom never shows up as planned, he tells everyone DAYS after she is last seen that they broke up and she left the baby and took off, he never reports her missing even though he's had no contact with her for an unprecedented time while he has their child, her phone pings and sends texts in the same state a suspect lives, who later admits to having been solicited to kill or help kill the missing mother, and whose phone data shows evidence she assisted the father, and there is blood evidence or other evidence of trauma and great bodily injury in the house, for most of us, that would lead us to find it reasonable to conclude that the mother was killed on the last date she was seen alive.

It's logic. But sadly not everyone is logical.