@Tippy Lynn, a tweet from the preliminary hearing which was copied to your timeline caused a great deal of confusion last night. In no way is this your fault - the acoustics in the courtroom are bad, there were many tweets that were later corrected/clarified, and several that were poorly worded.
Not everyone was able to follow the entire trial by tweet or read the articles linked below to know that it was PF's phone being pinged and that Slater testified that KK was in Idaho on November 22, the day KB was murdered. Please, when you have time, will you edit your timeline to avoid future confusion? Thanks for all you do!
I'm pretty sure the cell phone data places a cell phone from Idaho in Woodland Park, CO on the day of the murder.
JMO
You are intentionally ignoring the evidence presented at the hearing:
- At 4:37 pm Nov. 22, PF called an Idaho number, also in vicinity of KB’s home, it hit off a tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. He receive a return call from this number a few minutes later. It hit off the same tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. Shortly after, he received a call from that same number. Slater says it pinged off a tower in Divide.
- Referencing the Idaho number belonged to KK, state asks if PF contacting that number became important, knowing that was near the last ping of KB’s phone. Slater said yes, then they tried contacting her.
- CBI agent testified that at 4:24 p.m. on Nov. 22 PF’s phone called his mother. At 4:37 p.m. it called KK. Cell towers show he was southwest of KB‘s home.
Where is this sourced from? Link?
You are misreading this. Slater is talking about PF’s phone, and his phone activity.
He is talking about the location of PF’s phone pings.
He is driving with Kelsey’s phone and his phone, from Kelsey’s house (after killing her).
When she calls him back from HER Idaho number, his phone pings off a tower in Divide.
The bolded position pertains to a completely different part of his testimony, when the link is made between KK’s phone, and Kelsey’s phone, as she is driving back from Colorado, to Idaho.
See page one. A member here, Tippy, actually took notes.
Tippys notes are fantastic overall and very helpful for anyone wanting a quick rundown of the case but I think a mod should edit that part to clarify that Slater was talking specifically about PFs phone, before this takes on a life of its own.
I edited what, how? I've linked to the source of information. Multiple times: Page one, post 5 from Tippy. If you have a source that refutes it, please notify a mod and post a link.
I've said repeatedly it is on page one of this thread, posts by Tippy Lee.
EXACTLY. I made the same mistake when that info first came out. It was worded strangely, and it does look, at first, like they were talking about KK's cell location. That is what I thought initially. But someone corrected me, and I went back a read it.
Upon rereading the testimony, I saw that they were referring to HIS cell being near the townhome, not hers.
It is incorrect and needs to be clarified. JMO
No, let's not let this get legs. It was talking about his phone travelling with KB's phone later in the afternoon when he was calling KKL and his mother. M o o.
Then I suggest you contact the mods and show proof that Tippy's notes at the top of the thread are inaccurate. I do believe the testimony was about an Idaho number and other reporter's notes do confirm the call FROM Idaho pinged off a tower in Divide, CO.
11:34 a.m.
Slater said they found Frazee called his mother around 4:24 p.m. on Nov. 22 and they determined that the phone pinged off of a tower in Woodland Park, near Berreth’s townhome.
Slater then said Frazee called an Idaho number at 4:37 p.m. that pinged off the same tower. Slater said records show he received a call from the same number, that one pinged off of a tower in Divide, located between Woodland Park and the Frazee property in Florissant.
Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing
I believe your
Tippy Lynn interpretation of the transcript of testimony is incorrect. Please see the same passage with clarity. PF's phone is what is pinging in Colorado, on 11/22, and not KK's phone (actual or burner).
- At 4:37 pm Nov. 22, PF called an Idaho number, [while] also in vicinity of KB’s home, it hit off a tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. He receive a return call from this number a few minutes later[while in vicinity of KB's home]. It hit off the same tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. Shortly after [when traveling to SF ranch], he received a call from that same number. Slater says it pinged off a tower in Divide [located near SF ranch].
- Referencing the Idaho number belonged to KK, state asks if PF contacting that number became important, knowing that was near the last ping of KB’s phone[that pinged Gooding, ID] . Slater said yes, then they tried contacting her.
Yes. Basic common sense. The defense would be screaming that this proved KK was there and could've been the culprit rather than him. They stayed silent as to that.
But the tweet by Sam Kramer was indeed confusing as written. We have to remember these reporters were writing fast.
Her post does not need to be 'removed.' She did a lot of hard work, took a lot of time and effort.
It is just ONE SENTENCE that needs to be corrected.
I did. We all did. Slater clearly testified that KK was not present on 11-22, was contacted by PF to come down and clean up a mess and arrived in CO on 11-24. Pommy Mommy provided links to all the news articles evidencing this in the post linked here:
CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*
We don't need to. The timeline is great. You're interpreting a couple sentences incorrectly. The testimony shows that KK was not in CO on the day of the murders and arrived on the 24th. It's that simple.
Witness reveals how Patrick Frazee allegedly killed Kelsey Berreth, disposed of her body
Slater testified that
Kenney was not present during Berreth's murder, but
arrived in Colorado on November 24 to clean up the crime scene. She described the scene inside Berreth's home as "horrific."
Details of alleged gruesome bloody cleanup revealed in case against fiancé accused of killing Kelsey Berreth
Lee said
Frazee called her on Nov. 22 and told her to get to Colorado to clean up, Slater said.
Lee arrived on Nov. 24 with rubber gloves, a hospital gown, bleach, trash bags and booties, Slater testified.
Patrick Frazee going to trial in Kelsey Berreth murder case (UPDATE: Arrest affidavit inside article)
Kenney states she received a call from Frazee on Nov. 22. Frazee allegedly said, "You got to get here now. You got a mess to clean up."
On Nov. 24 Kenney claims she was on her way to Colorado with a clean-up kit.
Affidavit details events leading up to Berreth’s death
On Nov. 22 around 4:30 p.m., while she was in Idaho, Kenney received a text from Frazee: “You need to get here now. You’ve got a mess to clean up.”
She told authorities that when she received that text, she “understood that as Berreth had been killed,” according to the affidavit.
While
Kenney wasn’t present for the alleged murder, she said Frazee described it in detail.
Patrick Frazee allegedly had blindfolded Kelsey Berreth, bludgeoned her with baseball bat
She said
she was in Idaho, and
Frazee described the deed and enlisted her to come to Colorado to help him clean up the crime scene and create the appearance that Berreth had left town of her own will — partly by sending messages from the victim's phone.
Landfill search for Kelsey Berreth’s remains starts Tuesday
While
the former nurse wasn’t present for the alleged murder, she said Frazee described it in detail.
ETA: This is not a complete compilation of the confusion! 