CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

[enelram]

NWLady comment-
The other thing that bothers me is the manner in which it appears that KB was murdered....with a baseball bat? If PF solely did this, what would cause him to use a baseball bat? That much rage is about the only thing I can come up with? Because his size verus KB's size, it definitely could have been accomplished in lot easier ways. JMO

This was uncontrolled Violent Rage. He viciously blugeoned
her face and head and possibly the rest of her body to break, bloody and mutilate her beyond any possible life. Dangerously
violent, imo.
I cringe thinking this monster had control of a tiny baby girl.
I don't doubt for one minute, with his pervasive anger and lack of control, that
he could have harmed that baby also.
I'd like to hear from any former girlfriends and hear if he was
violent with them also. Betcha he was.

 

[jewelsmac]

It’s the very definition of “brutality.”

Her eyes were covered, she was likely smiling while preparing to guess the candle scent, then bam; this animal begins bashing her face in with a baseball bat.

Doesn’t get much worse.

He is a monster, utterly and completely.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Let's remember the MOST important point: PF killed Kelsey. He needs to be subjected to the most severe punishment possible.

KKL's ludicrous behavior consumes our thinking and conjuring.

It's most important for the family and the child of Kelsey Berroth that her killer never be allowed any freedom to hurt anyone else again. This is of paramount importance.

KKL is a different issue and of lesser importance to the Berroth family. Please respect that.

Why on earth would you think I don’t respect the Berreths and their feelings?!

I meant just exactly what I said, and I am quite certain the Berreths would agree.

 

[jewelsmac]

NWLady comment-
The other thing that bothers me is the manner in which it appears that KB was murdered....with a baseball bat? If PF solely did this, what would cause him to use a baseball bat? That much rage is about the only thing I can come up with? Because his size verus KB's size, it definitely could have been accomplished in lot easier ways. JMO

This was uncontrolled Violent Rage. He viciously blugeoned
her face and head and possibly the rest of her body to break, bloody and mutilate her beyond any possible life. Dangerously
violent, imo.
I cringe thinking this monster had control of a tiny baby girl.
I don't doubt for one minute, with his pervasive anger and lack of control, that
he could have harmed that baby also.
I'd like to hear from any former girlfriends and hear if he was
violent with them also. Betcha he was.

yes, he could’ve ended her quickly and easily without any bloodshed. IMO This was about brutality. Punishment.

 

[allboys]

Well maybe my spidey sense is going off and thinking- did she really do the clean up after all?

Then again, there's no video that we are aware of of Patrick bringing the tote in and out of the house, either. Maybe it does go on and off in preset intervals. There's no other exit area from her townhouse without cameras, is there?

Isn’t there a retaining wall opposite KB’s front door? What if the camera only picks up what is visible of PF above the retaining wall? Ie. He could have been pulling a tote on rollers that was not visible to the camera?

ETA: I just saw photo of front door that Pommy posted later in thread. So the retaining wall I mentioned was in a different spot. It is a wooden fence that goes along walkway to KB’s door. And it is not as tall as I remembered. Though as @gliving pointed out in subsequent post (with different photo), the neighbor’s front door is much lower than Kelsey’s, so feasibly this fence could have hidden quite a bit depending how the camera was angled.

 

[skycountry]

Lots going on here, have not read here since the 19th, but a few things I was pondering.
Maybe KK wanted to get pulled over, to give her an excuse not to drive to CO for the clean up. Or... she claims PF told her he was watching her and she seems to have believed it, being pulled over would be a way for her to let the cop know there had been a murder in CO without walking into a Police Station.
Also, why would it take two men to pick up the package at KB's condo? How big was it? I bet they were there to check out KK clean up job, and report back to him if they saw anything left behind. She was smart to leave just a little bit here, and there inside, very smart.
On the morning of his arrest, I am very curious what was packed in SF's car. Seems the blue wall extends to LE family too. I have no problem with good cops, it is the bad ones that I take issue with, and yes, they do exist, unfortunately.
Why pick CSPD to interview KK, they could have gone to any sheriffs department, and done the same. Fountain SD would have worked too, or fly her into Denver. Why pick CSPD where PF's supposed estranged brother works out of. I bet that news spread like wildfire, and Sean knew that evening how long she was there for, and gave PF and SF a heads up.
SF had to have known something was up, her sons girlfriend/ex girlfriend/fiancée is missing and she saw them burning something in a tub in the front side yard, yet never gave that information to LE when they took them both in??? I hope PF takes this to trail, and I hope his mother is implicated too, as she should be if she knew about any of it, and I am betting she did. He is arrogant enough to hang them both.
all jmo

 

[allboys]

I am supposing that KK walked the road from the Woodland Park Community Center to KB's and stepped over the little wall at the end of the walkway. See Zillow photo #2.
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https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...977198,38.955204,-105.124826_rect/12_zm/1_fr/

Woodland Park Community Center to KB's - Google Maps

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
When she arrived, Kenney went to Frazee’s home and picked up a set of keys for Berreth’s phone left at the gate to Frazee’s. She parked at the Woodland Park Community Center and walked to Berreth’s home. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Great post! Thank you, Pommy!

 

[jewelsmac]

IMO? He's more culpable because he killed her. That's legally and morally. As to the question of who's more evil, psychologically, something like that is hard to hard to quantify but I put them both in the cluster B category, on the highly dangerous end of the spectrum. As someone else pointed out, the guy who murdered Jayme Closs' parents made a couple of dry runs but everything wasn't just right so he passed on it, just like KK did. I think KK is fully capable of murder and she has demonstrated a desire to kill. She's an accomplice in this so, yeah, I think she's as psychologically deranged and dangerous as he is. Legally, though, no. About 75% as culpable, I'd say, but being treated as though she's about 10% as culpable. She's also an habitual liar and I'm not convinced as to who was soliciting whom. Last but not least, had she been one of PF's guy friends, I would feel exactly the same way. I don't see sex when looking at psychopaths or psychopathic traits.

Agreed, they are both people. Both monsters. You are right, men and women are equally capable of that kind of evil.

I do believe that her relationship with him played a different role than had he solicited a friend to help him though.
In my opinion she didn’t report him to Police because she wanted to keep him for herself. More than being a decent human being, more than doing the right thing, more than her family . More than saving the life of KB , who was simply in her way.
Getting him arrested would not accomplish her goal. . Then she realized that there was no way she got to keep him.

So she turned on him, told the police everything.

So in the end it wasn’t even about her love or loyalty to him, it was about her and getting what she wanted. She wasn’t going to get get what she wanted, so she sang like a canary.

 

[windrower]

You know it. More BS from that liar. No way she comes to Colorado, rides with her aunt, who probably knows all about Patrick, and swings by some strange house and the aunt doesn't ask about who it is and how she knows this person. This was the aunt going along on a stalking run for KK to check out her perceived enemy, the mother of Patrick's child.

Could the unknown female donor DNA found in KB's home be that of Auntie K? Can LE compel her for a sample since they know she was in WP at KB's townhouse? Supposedly outside, but who knows?

Potty break, anyone?

 

[dkryder]

It is not normal to call incidental witnesses like that to testify in an "Evidence is Great" hearing in Colorado. The judge correctly told Prosecutor May that issue was for another day in court.
My theory is that May had some inside information that SF had come to realize the depravity of her son's actions. Often times, when the parent or sibling is the last to realize, they will break down on the stand and tell everything they saw, and everything they have figured out. I think her attorney was wise to be there to prevent her from incriminating herself. There will be plenty of opportunity for May to ask her "Did you see a fire.....yes or no?" IMO

well i disagree. let's say there were 3 neighbors of KB outside their homes at the times that PF & KK were at the condo. each neighbor could positively identify that the 2 were there at specific times. i guess these would be considered by you to be "incidental witnesses" who should not be required to testify? i mean they surely fit the definition of "incidental witness", which by the way is a term that is open to interpretation. question is , was there a witness list submitted to the court? was SF name on that list? if SF name was on the list then the judge could have barred her as a witness prior to hearing rather than, imo, issue a subpoena to her and then allow her to refuse to testify. my speculation and MOO.

 

[ilovechili]

But, it doesn't point to her being the murderer.

I personally think both knew.

Lots going on here, have not read here since the 19th, but a few things I was pondering.
Maybe KK wanted to get pulled over, to give her an excuse not to drive to CO for the clean up. Or... she claims PF told her he was watching her and she seems to have believed it, being pulled over would be a way for her to let the cop know there had been a murder in CO without walking into a Police Station.
Also, why would it take two men to pick up the package at KB's condo? How big was it? I bet they were there to check out KK clean up job, and report back to him if they saw anything left behind. She was smart to leave just a little bit here, and there inside, very smart.
On the morning of his arrest, I am very curious what was packed in SF's car. Seems the blue wall extends to LE family too. I have no problem with good cops, it is the bad ones that I take issue with, and yes, they do exist, unfortunately.
Why pick CSPD to interview KK, they could have gone to any sheriffs department, and done the same. Fountain SD would have worked too, or fly her into Denver. Why pick CSPD where PF's supposed estranged brother works out of. I bet that news spread like wildfire, and Sean knew that evening how long she was there for, and gave PF and SF a heads up.
SF had to have known something was up, her sons girlfriend/ex girlfriend/fiancée is missing and she saw them burning something in a tub in the front side yard, yet never gave that information to LE when they took them both in??? I hope PF takes this to trail, and I hope his mother is implicated too, as she should be if she knew about any of it, and I am betting she did. He is arrogant enough to hang them both.
all jmo

Interesting thoughts. Have wondered about some of the same myself but not all.

However, on this one, if she was hoping to be picked up, then why not just confess when confronted with her lies? If she would have been pulled over and confessed say in another town, why not just go to a PD in another town if she did not trust the one. Heck she could have went and confessed to Las Vegas PD and begged for protection before going home. This woman's actions do not fit someone scared and doing the right thing. The trip to Vegas, Sonic, etc. The burning of all of these phones, Kelsey's, the burner phone, etc., pretty convenient they are gone.

I find Colorado Springs odd too in some of this. I also find it odd that some reports say he and his bro are estranged and yet he talked to him prior to talking to police was it? I do not know the area though so could there have been a logistical reason for that department?

I wonder myself about some of your points and not so sure on others. However, all are food for thought...

I so far see her as guilty as he is but reserve the right to change my opinion as we learn more. And certainly respect your opinion and everyone else's. For some reason, I keep feeling like I am watching an R rated version of "Dallas" even though it took place in the wrong state... jmo.

 

[dkryder]

Isn’t there a retaining wall opposite KB’s front door? What if the camera only picks up what is visible of PF above the retaining wall? Ie. He could have been pulling a tote on rollers that was not visible to the camera?

ETA: I just saw photo of front door that Pommy posted later in thread. So the retaining wall I mentioned was in a different spot. It is a wooden fence that goes along walkway to KB’s door. And it is not as tall as I remembered. Though as @gliving pointed out in subsequent post (with different photo), the neighbor’s front door is much lower than Kelsey’s, so feasibly this fence could have hidden quite a bit depending how the camera was angled.

wanted to ask if we are sure that the neighbor unit is to the left and not the 289 unit to the right? or the house across the street directly in back of KB condo? the 289 unit would not specifically show the front door but might catch the sidewalk leading to the front door and so considered to be "at front door" the house behind has a clear shot but would need a good lens for the distance i guess. ok, just crossed my mind. MOO.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Thank you for this. There seems to be a line of thought that assumes the prosecution had options and simply chose to give KK the deal when they didn’t have to. They can’t manufacture evidence. If they don’t have it without her, then she’s it. That doesn’t mean they like her or buy everything she says or took her at her word without verifying everything. “PF did it because KK told us so” is not how prosecutors win cases and get justice.

We are ALL infuriated with how involved it turns out she was compared to the deal she got. And if we are, imagine how LE and the DA feel. Ultimately, it’s about the best way to get justice for Kelsey.

I'm not mad at Mays at all, I'm mad at KK for forcing the deal,or no testimony. That's a slimy move,and it's all on her cowardly self preservation, and very much in line with her using others, and throwing another completely under the bus.
She is not helping kelsey's case out of the goodness of her 'charitable' "Perfect Rodeo Queen Heart". She's doing this so she can pull a Karla Homolka.
MOO

 

[Herat]

I don't agree about KK only being a fool but do agree about your theory of the attack. He was in a frenzy of rage. TWO HOURS he was in there. Where was the baby all of that time? I don't know how she wasn't exposed to some of it.

He had to clean himself up. Likely shower and change into clothes he already had there. Likely went through Kelsey's stuff.
He was also at her computer. He got into her Facebook account and changed the password. There must be his DNA and some blood evidence on the keyboard.

But why change her FB password? Surely KKL didn't know it. Who else was going to be able to know it was changed?

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Law enforcement seems convinced that she was burned, and it is absolutely in the best interest of KK to divulge the truth here.

She’s already admitted to actually following up on PF’s murder solicitations and admitted to cleaning up blood evidence.

This would be a stupid thing to lie about, and was backed up by evidence.

She even went as far as to mention SF seeing this fire.

Personally, I absolutely believe that Kelsey was burned.

Oh, I totally agree with you, MG! My "but" comes with a total cremation outside, at night, maintaining the degree needed to completely destroy a body and PF's patience and ability to maintain that consistent heat to do so.
I feel KB is still in large enough findable pieces. (I don't know how to put that tactfully) And that's where the dump comes in. Disposing them in the river, IMHO, would make them easier to find, perhaps in his mind. Depends on the width and depth of river, tho.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

If authorities believe man picking up package culpable, you can rest assured he won't get away since he's reportedly on surveillance obtained by LE. Name withheld as he's not a POI.[/QUO
The clock is ticking. It would be best to come forward rather than waste LE time,and effort.
MOO

 

[Herat]

It is funny that she drove 1,600 miles in a car with expired plates and wasn't stopped. With my luck, here in New York, I wouldn't make it 100 miles.

Most of the trip from TF to WP was in the dark where it's just more difficult to make out a small tag on an out of state plate.

As for the return? lots of traffic?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I don't agree about KK only being a fool but do agree about your theory of the attack. He was in a frenzy of rage. TWO HOURS he was in there. Where was the baby all of that time? I don't know how she wasn't exposed to some of it.

He was in a frenzy because KK was smart enough to forced his hand into doing the deed himself. She's no fool. That's why she refused to do the deed herself ,and to travel back to Idaho with a burned body,in a car with expired liscence.
She's an idiot for thinking they can conspire to commit murder,and get away with it.
MOO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I think the confusion stems from the divorce being filed in 2016:

She was married, but she petitioned for divorce from her husband in 2016

https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/krystal-jean-lee-kenney-idaho/

Interesting that she was still lying to him about where she going since they're divorced.

I haven’t seen the Court records for KK’s divorce record.
Was their divorce filed on June 27, 2016 and final in 2018?

 

[Dave F.]

well i disagree. let's say there were 3 neighbors of KB outside their homes at the times that PF & KK were at the condo. each neighbor could positively identify that the 2 were there at specific times. i guess these would be considered by you to be "incidental witnesses" who should not be required to testify? i mean they surely fit the definition of "incidental witness", which by the way is a term that is open to interpretation. question is , was there a witness list submitted to the court? was SF name on that list? if SF name was on the list then the judge could have barred her as a witness prior to hearing rather than, imo, issue a subpoena to her and then allow her to refuse to testify. my speculation and MOO.

There were NOT three enighbors standing outside KB's residence watching them come and go, so let's say that never happened.

The prosecution called three witnesses.......SF, Commander Chris Adams of the WPPD, and Invesitigator Greg Slater of the CBI. They wanted to ask SF....... ONE QUESTION ABOUT ONE INCIDENT. Commander Adams was on the stand for approximately two hours and Investigator Slater for five hours. I'm sure you will call it whatever you like, but I'm sticking with "incidental witness" because there's no getting around it. She witnessed a single incident, that they wanted to ask her about.
Any citizen of the United States, or any legal immigrant, has an absolute right under the 5th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution to not answer any question that will incriminate themselves. A person can be ordered to take a seat in the witness box, and must answer every questions asked; but may answer each and every one by "taking the fifth". The judge can order her to answer, but he CANNOT, under any law in the land, force her to say anything that she feels is incriminating to herself. The prosecutor was arguing that the judge should order her to take the witness box. In the "Evidence is Great" hearing in Colorado, that is very ususual. Usually it's just LE that are called. The Judge said that hearing was not the proper time and place to do that, and that he would rule on whether she had to take the witness box at a later date.
Having spewed all of that, we all can see the prosecutor was hoping to get her on the stand, and "open the proverbial can of worms". The judge wouldn't allow it in that hearing.
Done deal. IMO