CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[BingoBongo]

Carrying a firearm that is loaded and concealed in a vehicle is a felony. Lots of folks in Idaho own gun but do not have concealed carry permits. Are some of them stupid enough to put a loaded gun in the glovebox? My opinion is that no state has a monopoly on stupdity, and I stand by it 100%.
(same citation as yours)
Gun & Weapon Law

Again:

"A person *who does have a concealed weapons license may carry a deadly weapon or firearm concealed and loaded in a vehicle*.

Concealed and loaded in a vehicle.

Directly above what you just quoted:
A person does not have to have a concealed weapons license to carry or be in possession of a deadly weapon or firearm in the following circumstances:

Any deadly weapon located in plain view;
Any lawfully possessed shotgun or rifle;
A firearm that is not loaded and is concealed in a motor vehicle;
(etc)

Carrying a firearm that is loaded and concealed in a vehicle is a felony. Lots of folks in Idaho own gun but do not have concealed carry permits. Are some of them stupid enough to put a loaded gun in the glovebox? My opinion is that no state has a monopoly on stupdity, and I stand by it 100%.
(same citation as yours)
Gun & Weapon Law

For clarification:

Someone (Herat?) asked if it was illegal to carry a loaded weapon in one's glove compartment, even if that person has a CCP (Concealed Carry Permit aka Concealed Weapons License).

My understanding of Idahos gun laws are this:

You cannot have a *loaded* weapon concealed in your vehicle UNLESS you have a Concealed Weapons License.

Idaho passed Senate Bill 1332 a few years back, and I believe it's still valid. 1332 does a few things, one of them nullifies Federal gun laws in Idaho.

So again, my understanding is that in this State (Idaho) a holder of a Concealed Weapons License MAY carry a LOADED weapon in their glove compartment.

Obviously there is other criteria to be met such as age restrictions, no felonies, etc.

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[enelram]

Something that has been a question in my mind..after KK spoke of the burning incident, doesn’t she describe a “lump”? Wouldn’t that mean everything was in the fire together, in a plastic tote (not a duffle bag)? The duffle bag probably would have completely incinerated but not a plastic tote. Maybe this is why the landfill is being searched...because there is probably much more than ash remnants. MOO

In the arrest affidavit KK is quoted as saying as she watched the fire,
the tote began melting and left a "hump" which she assumed was
a body.
Somewhere else it was said there were small round beads of the
melted plastic in the bottom of burn pit.
I'm pretty sure there will be bone pieces remaining in the
'scooped up' remains. And if they're in the landfill, they will be found due to the precise method of searching that's been
described. I'm very optimistic at this point.

 

[PommyMommy]

Something that has been a question in my mind..after KK spoke of the burning incident, doesn’t she describe a “lump”? Wouldn’t that mean everything was in the fire together, in a plastic tote (not a duffle bag)? The duffle bag probably would have completely incinerated but not a plastic tote. Maybe this is why the landfill is being searched...because there is probably much more than ash remnants. MOO

News articles have reported both "a lump" and "a heap."

The affidavit says, "However, at one point, the tote had melted, and there was a heap that Lee believed to be a human body still in the fire." (Page 10)

 

[jewelsmac]

In the arrest affidavit KK is quoted as saying as she watched the fire,
the tote began melting and left a "hump" which she assumed was
a body.
Somewhere else it was said there were small round beads of the
melted plastic in the bottom of burn pit.
I'm pretty sure there will be bone pieces remaining in the
'scooped up' remains. And if they're in the landfill, they will be found due to the precise method of searching that's been
described. I'm very optimistic at this point.

Would it also be possible for some bone fragments, teeth perhaps, encased in the plastic once it cooled?

 

[ab01]

Noted: You think MG told the truth to the FBI and she did not keep her gun loaded in the car.

I think its possible that MG was crapping her pants bc she realized she had loaned a car to KK with a gun in it and she later learned KB was missing and likely murdered.

I think It's possible she was either miss remembering the guns condition or possibly trying to distance herself from any possible crimes.

This is my opinion!

I Agree to disagree

In fact there have been plenty of accidental deaths by people who thought there was no bullet in the chamber. People don’t always remember things correctly that they should. Moo

 

[cody22]

I'm betting lots of people carry loaded guns in their vehicles in rural areas in the West. I doesn't seem like something most would blink at unless little kids had access.

Is that your experience?

Quite common in both the country and cities in my area....moo

 

[GordianKnot]

In the arrest affidavit KK is quoted as saying as she watched the fire,
the tote began melting and left a "hump" which she assumed was
a body.
Somewhere else it was said there were small round beads of the
melted plastic in the bottom of burn pit.
I'm pretty sure there will be bone pieces remaining in the
'scooped up' remains. And if they're in the landfill, they will be found due to the precise method of searching that's been
described. I'm very optimistic at this point.

BBM:

Yep! I'm extremely optimistic, too, for all of the reasons you stated.

We have every reason to feel hopeful that KB's remains will be located at that landfill, IMO.

 

[BingoBongo]

Whether it is legal or not to carry a firearm in a vehicle, loaded or not, is governed by State law. The federal law referred to says that if you are traveling interstate, despite any State law prohibiting firearms, a person may transport a firearm in that state provided that it is in the trunk and unloaded. Colorado allows a loaded handgun in a vehicle, Idaho I believe does not.

Idaho DOES allow a someone with a CWL (CCP) to carry a loaded weapon in a vehicle.

 

[Herat]

Could PF have inserted KB's bone fragments, into old animal meat, and discarded that ie a deceased animal, or even table left overs?
These hidden KB bone fragments would therefore be missed, if this discarded mess is ever located.
MOO.

I think that is waaaayyy too sophisticated for these two perps

 

[allboys]

I’ve been listening to Wondery’s “Over My Dead Body” podcast.

It really makes me wonder again if:
A. Kelsey spoke of the possibility (or certainty) of moving. I’m assuming PF didn’t want to move to Idaho, since he had free rent at the ranchette.

B. If SF was well aware of PF’s goal (and possibly encouraged him.)

Any other listeners of this podcast? I sure wish Websleuths threads were all audibly recorded. Then I wouldn’t be so far behind.

 

[Kapua]

Traveling across state lines with a loaded firearm in the glove compartment could be problematic. I found this: https://guncarrier.com/travel-interstate-firearm/

 

[sun16]

Something that has been a question in my mind..after KK spoke of the burning incident, doesn’t she describe a “lump”? Wouldn’t that mean everything was in the fire together, in a plastic tote (not a duffle bag)? The duffle bag probably would have completely incinerated but not a plastic tote. Maybe this is why the landfill is being searched...because there is probably much more than ash remnants. MOO

The “lump” comment has been bothering me because a whole body seems bigger than a lump, even if curled up. A lump to me might be a whole bunch of other stuff thrown together (like clothes, towels, other random items). Maybe he dumped or buried the body but burned ... other stuff?

 

[PommyMommy]

Colorado police search landfill for missing woman's remains

Crews search the Midway Landfill for the remains of Kelsey Berreth, Tuesday, Feb. 26, 2019, in Fountain, Colo. Berreth fiance Patrick Frazee is charged with her murder.

Authorities begin landfill search for Kelsey Berreth's remains

Authorities say they have reason to believe Berreth's remains ended up in the Midway Landfill near the El Paso/Pueblo county line. They have targeted a specific area at the site.

"Based on the information we've gathered and received in the investigation, it's all pointed right here for us," said Cmdr. Chris Adams with the Woodland Park Police Department.

 

[Kapua]

I think that is waaaayyy too sophisticated for these two perps

We're dealing with a perp who tried to clean up a bloody crime scene with baby wipes.

 

[gitana1]

The down side of that was that in deciding to move fast, instead of a longer and more difficult investigation, they cut the deal with KK too soon.

Where's the evidence for your opinion? Dan May has been a prosecutor for 36 years. he has been elected three times for D.A. There's a reason for that - results. Do you truly believe that an experienced prosecutor as he is would risk his reputation by prosecuting in haste?

This is a no-body case. They are notoriously difficult to prosecute. As a result, the evidence has to be super powerful for such a prosecution to occur at all.

This is a case backed by the efforts and reports of the FBI and CBI, not some keystone cop operation. Does anyone truly believe that these powerful agencies with all their resources and knowledge and a prosecutor as experienced as May, got it wrong while some internet sleuthers got it right?

The chances of that are super slim, IMO. And I have yet to see any facts presented that supports such a premise. In fact, the facts appear to me to overwhelmingly support PF as the murderer.

 

[BingoBongo]

I wonder why she was carrying a gun around with her in her car.

Many States are more wilderness than city. Lots of people ride horses, manage herds of cattle, ride their property line to check fencing, etc.

Rattlers, coming across a dying animal that cannot be saved, maybe even a methed up cowboy...all reasons to have a weapon with you.

 

[Julia966]

It is against federal law to transport a loaded gun. iirc, Meghan told LE there should be seven bullets, one was missing and she discovered a bullet in the chamber.

Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearms if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk.

In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Necessary stops, e.g., gasoline and rest, seem permissible.

Interstate Transportation of Firearms

Then I continue to marvel at her good luck, what with the illegal gun and the bad plates. Until, you know, it ran out

No idea if KK knew the gun was in the car, or if she shot the missing bullet at...something on the way down or back, but I don't think it has anything to do with KB. Speaking solely for myself, of course, but the friend's gun issue may have been her own doing, or that of someone else she loaned the car to, or any number of other explanations. She appears to be sloppy with the weapon.

 

[skycountry]

KB was on her period when she was murdered, the defense pointed that out during last week’s testimony. CBI agent Slater confirmed he found tampons in her trash can.

I read it to mean the bottom of the outside of the trash can, as in pooled, could also have been on the bath mat, and that is why it was missing.

 

[Kapua]

I’ve been listening to Wondery’s “Over My Dead Body” podcast.

It really makes me wonder again if:
A. Kelsey spoke of the possibility (or certainty) of moving. I’m assuming PF didn’t want to move to Idaho, since he had free rent at the ranchette.

B. If SF was well aware of PF’s goal (and possibly encouraged him.)

Any other listeners of this podcast? I sure wish Websleuths threads were all audibly recorded. Then I wouldn’t be so far behind.

Trust me, we are all behind on this thread.

 

[cody22]

I’ve been listening to Wondery’s “Over My Dead Body” podcast.

It really makes me wonder again if:
A. Kelsey spoke of the possibility (or certainty) of moving. I’m assuming PF didn’t want to move to Idaho, since he had free rent at the ranchette.

B. If SF was well aware of PF’s goal (and possibly encouraged him.)

Any other listeners of this podcast? I sure wish Websleuths threads were all audibly recorded. Then I wouldn’t be so far behind.

I do not believe in podcasts. I have too many voices in my head as it is.......moo