CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[Mountain Misst]

Woodland Park = murder site; Nash Ranch = storage of body; Florissant = burning of body;

 

[Deleted member 102539]

dbm

 

[Mountain Misst]

They had pizza after the body burning, MassGuy. Sonic was earlier on the date........moo

Yep. Sonic cctv time (KJK caught on camera) is 11:15am 24 November 2018 in Woodland Park according to my notes.

 

[Kapua]

I’ve followed several “no body murder cases” and I haven’t come across a single one, that had an arrest this quickly.

There are several that I am following, that have yet to result in charges.

This is spectacularly unusual. I can’t possibly overstate that.

A body helps the case, and this prosecutor is doing everything in his power to win.

As he should.

ITA. It's highly unusual to have an arrest in under 3 weeks even with a body.

LE did their homework and were greatly aided by the sloppiness and stupidity of the perpetrator and his co-conspirator, IMHO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

cody22 said: ↑
Cinnamon buns, Sonic foot log chili cheese dogs, and pizza........ This thread has been making me hungry many times now...moo

and Thanksgiving dinner!

Please, imagine at this place the little green emoticon, which is puking ....

 

[Mountain Misst]

How in God's name did she do all of this:

Arrived at Patrick's to pick up key to Kelsey's townhouse, after driving for six hours- 7:30 am?
drives 25 more minutes to Kelsey's townhouse
Cleans 3-4 hours
drives to Sonic to get something to eat
drives to Patrick's, to which from there, they take off to Nash ranch
Helps get Kelsey's body down from hay stacked in loft
drives back to Patrick's
Sets up a fire, watches as remains and tote are burned
eats pizza
Then leaves to drive back home?

Martyrdom has no bounds..

 

[Artis]

Ah, but she slept at her friend's house to cut, which was halfway, I believe, before she arrived at PF's ranch. I do remember, though, that during the other times she came, she drove straight through.

Not on this trip. The stopping in Greeley was a different trip. This one she drove straight through.

 

[MyBelle]

I’ve followed several “no body murder cases,” and I haven’t come across a single one, that had an arrest this quickly.

There are several that I am following, that have yet to result in charges.

This is spectacularly unusual. I can’t possibly overstate that.

A body helps the case, and this prosecutor is doing everything in his power to win.

As he should.

Christopher Edwards was arrested in about the same length of time as PF. Nothing spectacularly unusual about it and it did require a second search warrant of the home. In that case, there was no witness insisting Edwards told her he did it. The speed of this case was assisted by KK but that doesn't mean she's telling the truth. The DA still needs corroborating evidence.

Of course a body helps the case. A body helps any case of a missing person. That's what I've been saying all along.

No way is this case a slam-dunk win for the prosecution. I've not seen one CO attorney or any media agreeing with that point of view.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Christopher Edwards was arrested in about the same length of time as PF. Nothing spectacularly unusual about it and it did require a second search warrant of the home. In that case, there was no witness insisting Edwards told her he did it. The speed of this case was assisted by KK but that doesn't mean she's telling the truth. The DA still needs corroborating evidence.

Of course a body helps the case. A body helps any case of a missing person. That's what I've been saying all along.

No way is this case a slam-dunk win for the prosecution. I've not seen one CO attorney or any media agreeing with that point of view.

JMO

“Spectacularly unusual” is not synonymous with “never happens.”

And the case you are comparing this to, is absolutely nothing like this one.

Except for the fact that there was blood, and there wasn’t a body.

In the Edwards case, he literally killed and dismembered his victim in his own bedroom. They found blood on his belongings, and in the trunk of his car.

For every case the proceeds without a body, there are many more that do not go forward with any speed, if at all.

It’s not even close.

This is incredibly unusual, and there’s a reason for that.

 

[Artis]

What makes this case all the much more sad:
my interpretation only!

It seems to me PF wooed KB they started up a relationship, he was the classic wolf in sheeps clothing.

PF made her promises that he knew he wouldn't keep, Their own ranch out in the country he would make big money etc.

Perfect house perfect family and so on.

He gets her pregnant, she asks for a commitment and rightfully so.

He lies and says its going to happen I just have to make more money, prices on livestock are low etc. just give me more time.

I think his lies finally caught up to him, and KB started asking questions he couldn't lie his way out of.

PF's true colors start to show through and he realizes that he can't lead her on forever bc she wasn't buying his bs anymore.

PF decided that control of his child was worth more than her life, bc how dare she call him out on his lies.

PF starts to look for away to eliminate her and save face and protect his property(his child).

That my friends is a true scocialpath/pyschopath and the heart of this sad reality.

I think thats pretty close to what this whole case boils down to IMO

So incredibly sad!

Especially even more tragic, as I think KB was worth more than a million PF's

JMO how do you think my aim is?

ETA: I think KK was a mere convenience to pf, somebody that he knew was obsessed with him and would do anything to be with him.

Spot on. Other than it ending in murder, it's almost like a formula used by every sociopath (and narcs, too). And, like all of them, they never take responsibility for anything. Everything is always someone else's fault. He was probably always heaping blame on her.

 

[MyBelle]

“Spectacularly unusual” is not synonymous with “never happens.”

And the case you are comparing this to, is absolutely nothing like this one.

Except for the fact that there was blood, and there wasn’t a body.

In the Edwards case, he literally killed and dismembered his victim in his own bedroom. They found blood on his belongings, and in the trunk of his car.

For every case the proceeds without a body, there are many more that do not go forward with any speed, if at all.

It’s not even close.

This is incredibly unusual, and there’s a reason for that.

The Edwards case is "absolutely nothing like this one"???? I sure disagree. There was a lot of blood and there wasn't a body. I don't know how much more similar it could be. There was no evidence Edwards dismembered his victim in his bedroom nor was that theory presented at trial. LE found blood, a lot of blood, yet only got a conviction on second degree murder. Not first degree and certainly not the death penalty.

I don't believe the DA in this case shares your confidence of a conviction and that's okay with me. He needs to prove a case with evidence and facts, not emotion.

JMO

 

[Artis]

Snip:

Once again, there are different charges and possible sentences for different conduct for a reason. Being an accessory isn't the same as being a murderer. Being a conspirator is not the same as being a murderer. People can feel emotions about this as much as they would like but the reality is that society has determined there is a difference in moral culpability and hence in legal culpability between accessory, conspirator and actual murder.

Unfortunately, she's not being charged with any of that.

 

[MassGuy]

The Edwards case is "absolutely nothing like this one"???? I sure disagree. There was a lot of blood and there wasn't a body. I don't know how much more similar it could be. There was no evidence Edwards dismembered his victim in his bedroom nor was that theory presented at trial. LE found blood, a lot of blood, yet only got a conviction on second degree murder. Not first degree and certainly not the death penalty.

I don't believe the DA in this case shares your confidence of a conviction and that's okay with me. He needs to prove a case with evidence and facts, not emotion.

JMO

The amount of evidence is overwhelming.

I do not for a second, pretend to know what he is thinking though.

The amount of time that it took to arrest PF, speaks volumes.

The evidence in that affidavit, speaks volumes.

I have zero concern about PF walking here.

That is my opinion, based on the evidence.

There is no shortage of it.

 

[mtnlites]

What? KK sent Kelsey baby clothes??? Where did you read that?

KK didn't send Kelsey baby clothes, she bought a T-shirt for Baby K and gave it to PF. This was brought out during the prelim. KK told this to the detective.

 

[mtnlites]

Yes you did say that but no prosecutor "knows" they will win a case. They can be confident but I seriously doubt the prosecutor in this case would be engaging in an expensive search of the landfill if he already "knows" he will win the case. The judge certainly didn't agree with him that SF should testify at the prelim. hearing.

The speed the charges were brought wasn't all that fast. It was nearly a month after KB went missing and only after blood was found by CB, and KK, a proved liar, told her story.

JMO

A month is pretty fast. Considering that, in some cases, it can take years for someone involved to talk to LE about what really happened, I'd say this case is moving very quickly.

 

[mtnlites]

I’ve followed several “no body murder cases,” and I haven’t come across a single one, that had an arrest this quickly.

There are several that I am following, that have yet to result in charges.

This is spectacularly unusual. I can’t possibly overstate that.

A body helps the case, and this prosecutor is doing everything in his power to win.

As he should.

I haven't seen another one similar to this with such a fast arrest and turnaround either. CW's was fast, but in that case there was a body and CW's own moronic moves and behavior to go on. For there not to be a body so far in this one, I am pleasantly surprised to have charges so quickly.

 

[mtnlites]

Yes, some of us resist the lynch mob mentality and believe in due process and a right to a fair trial. There were some of us who believed it possible that SW killed the kids but we were also well aware--and repeatedly stated--that CW had CONFESSED to murder and disposal of all three bodies. No way would CWwalk free.

I'm not sure why it's relevant on this thread. Nobody has confessed, the body hasn't been found and I certainly do not agree that the DA is "confident" and needs no additional evidence.

JMO

I haven't seen anyone on here state that they don't want due process or a fair trial. IMO it's not fair to name call and accuse people in participating in "lynch mob mentality" just because they're confident in the DA's actions and in the manner in which the case is moving forward. Surely we can disagree with one another without putting words in each other's mouths? We all want the same thing here, right?Justice for Kelsey?

 

[GordianKnot]

The amount of evidence is overwhelming.

I do not for a second, pretend to know what he is thinking though.

The amount of time that it took to arrest PF, speaks volumes.

The evidence in that affidavit, speaks volumes.

I have zero concern about PF walking here.

That is my opinion, based on the evidence.

There is no shortage of it.

BBM:

With any luck, Dan May is thinking he'd like to stick a needle in PF's arm.

PF ain't walking. Mostly because he hasn't got a leg left to stand on.

PF is toast. Extra crispy, burnt toast, with any luck.
He is well and truly frazeed.
Dan's gonna' get him.

I'm absolutely certain of it.
It's all over but the shoutin.'

I'll stick around for that part, though, because I like the thought of listening to PF's screams.

JMO.

 

[TheVic]

I’ll bet she licked the icing off of the remaining ones.

She seems like that type of person.

That is so disturbing.

 

[katydid23]

Yes you did say that but no prosecutor "knows" they will win a case. They can be confident but I seriously doubt the prosecutor in this case would be engaging in an expensive search of the landfill if he already "knows" he will win the case. The judge certainly didn't agree with him that SF should testify at the prelim. hearing.

The speed the charges were brought wasn't all that fast. It was nearly a month after KB went missing and only after blood was found by CB, and KK, a proved liar, told her story.

JMO

Again, you misquoted him. He said ' knows he CAN win.'

Not 'knows he WILL win.'

There is a big difference between those ^^ two statements.