CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[ab01]

Hmmmm, Who would know that his phone was taken that day when he met with law enforcement and his brother? What time did law enforcement meet with him to take the phone, and what time did she go to get a new phone? Wondering Minds want to know.

I still think when they went on the hill above his house to do surveillance for the week before he was arrested, that they had that capturing mechanism that right now I can't remember the name of it. It captures and intercepts all phone calls instead of being sent to a tower. If they had somebody that they thought was instrumental in this case, I would have thought they would have already been arrested. But I guess not.

Once the 32 search warrants are released, we will know more information.

Stingray?

 

[ilovechili]

It really could be as simple as this. I think the people in his life were not accustomed to such an independent woman and may have looked at her as an adversary because of her beauty, wisdom and ability to provide all on her own. I think that family might not have liked her even if he did at one time. He might have thought he had to get rid of her for them. I think I’m just trying to find a logical reason for all of this disgusting behavior but even this is completely illogical.

Again, I can see the same thing. Her parents were farmers and I wonder if they expected a farm type of girl and here she was a pilot, not from the area, not part of the rodeo circuit, etc. I do not think there is any logical reason except for what you are getting at, jealousy and insecurity, probably on both PF's and KK's part in different ways. imho.

 

[susiQ]

2:10 p.m.

Kenney says Frazee put Kelsey in a black tote and set that on the ground near the green Toyota before putting it in his truck & transporting her remains to a ranch in Fremont County. Didn’t catch the name. It sounded like Nash Ranch or Dash Ranch. Again, bad acoustics.

From: Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

Here you go. I think we were all pretty much aware it was said but various people have forgotten various parts of the testimony.

Very strange reporting, IMHO. I'm getting confused 2:10 New9.com says this:
"After cleaning up, Lee said she put the trash bags near where Berreth’s Corolla was parked, loaded them into her car, and went to Sonic."

What to make of this?

 

[ilovechili]

Very strange reporting, IMHO. I'm getting confused 2:10 New9.com says this:
"After cleaning up, Lee said she put the trash bags near where Berreth’s Corolla was parked, loaded them into her car, and went to Sonic."

What to make of this?

All I can guess is each only had so much time to tweet and one media outlet managed to type out one part of the response, while another managed to type out the next? And then we have the acoustics... It is probably in relation to a question about the dogs alerting and maybe both heard the reason differently otherwise? Or both reasons were given as a possibility. The bags with bloody items and the tote...?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Stingray?

Yes, thanks!

ETA, in addition to search warrants, I want to see the search warrant returns!

 

[ilovechili]

Hmmmm, Who would know that his phone was taken that day when he met with law enforcement and his brother? What time did law enforcement meet with him to take the phone, and what time did she go to get a new phone? Wondering Minds want to know.

I still think when they went on the hill above his house to do surveillance for the week before he was arrested, that they had that capturing mechanism that right now I can't remember the name of it. It captures and intercepts all phone calls instead of being sent to a tower. If they had somebody that they thought was instrumental in this case, I would have thought they would have already been arrested. But I guess not.

Once the 32 search warrants are released, we will know more information.

All good questions and I wonder myself. Documents sure do not come out too quickly in this case so far but I guess I have to remember it is early on.

I wonder if there may be any other deals that are based on people cooperating and telling the truth at trial...? They needed KK's for the arrest warrant and maybe they felt they also had to charge her with something so the public did not go into an uproar when they saw the arrest warrant? Although the public went into an uproar regardless based on the light possible sentence...

 

[v0x]

Stingray?

From what I’ve read about stingray devices, they are very costly, and most likely to be deployed in more urban areas where cellular activity is higher rather than a rural area such as CO with a much lower cellular activity IMO.

ETA: I’d guess any location data is coming from standard cell tower pings and triangulation.

 

[Dave F.]

Dave, to my point that still is a whole lot of going East to spend the night in Greely to go back West to Woodland Park.

Edited for additional information: After looking at your route Dave, I just question if KKL would have traveled 1-40 considering it's a smaller highway that skirts along some of the ski resorts (Winter Park & Steamboat Springs) steep elevation and winding mountain passes. If she were coming in from that side, the West, I would think KK would have zig zaged over to Breckenridge by way of HWY 9 South to Fariplay where it hooks up to 285, that spits you right out onto HWY 24, which is the main road going East to West through Teller County (Cripple Creek, Woodland Park, Divide, etc) this would be a familiar route to her, IMO. Like I previously said, I personally would have driven South of SLC on HWY 15 all the way to I-70, through Grand Junction (this is a much flatter drive) and then the above route that I stated. Unless she had plans to stay with someone in Greeley, I see zero reason to travel that far East for the night. Maybe she missed her turn?

They were looking for a particular make and model of horse trailer. I think the purpose of going to Greeley was because one was there. Please notice that I said "picked up Aunt K en route". The other choice to get to K's house, then Greeley, is a much less enjoyable ride. IMO

 

[ilovechili]

Yes, thanks!

ETA, in addition to search warrants, I want to see the search warrant returns!

Ditto here and the court transcript

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Very strange reporting, IMHO. I'm getting confused 2:10 New9.com says this:
"After cleaning up, Lee said she put the trash bags near where Berreth’s Corolla was parked, loaded them into her car, and went to Sonic."

What to make of this?

Good point. She probably put the bags in the alley at the same point he put by the car perhaps.

By the way, today for the first time I realized that the alley was the drive that goes in front of her place where the parking spaces are. Her address is actually fronting to the main road which I always considered the back and that is why I was always confused.

It took me a long time, but I was finally convinced 100% that the* alley *was the drive in front of her place which is only wide enough for one car as you drive out of it to the left . I know you guys probably already knew this, but I missed a lot of post when y'all were discussing such.

 

[Dave F.]

there is an old picture I linked to once before, in MSM, with her family and she has earrings. there was a pair of earrings in her burned purse, as per the info KK gave LE and that is in the affidavit. Did she have any dental fillings?

Being just 29 years old, the chances are great that any fillings were non-metallic. IMO

 

[ab01]

From what I’ve read about stingray devices, they are very costly, and most likely to be deployed in more urban areas where cellular activity is higher rather than a rural area such as CO with a much lower cellular activity IMO.

ETA: I’d guess any location data is coming from standard cell tower pings and triangulation.

I think based on the things I have read lately they are more rediably accessible than most people realize. IMO CBI/FBI would have no problem using one for surviellance purposes and it doesn't matter how urban the area is while being used to intercept specific cell phones. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to learn that they were using one to intercept transmissions while staking out at the neighbors next to the Franch....MOO

ETA: Stingray is merely a specific model of a cell phone intercepter. There are many different versions and can be used in various ways by law enforcement. A warrant is required to use one however, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were granted a warrant to use one in this case...moo

Stingray phone tracker - Wikipedia

 

[Trocroc9]

Hmmmm, Who would know that his phone was taken that day when he met with law enforcement and his brother? What time did law enforcement meet with him to take the phone, and what time did she go to get a new phone? Wondering Minds want to know.

I still think when they went on the hill above his house to do surveillance for the week before he was arrested, that they had that capturing mechanism that right now I can't remember the name of it. It captures and intercepts all phone calls instead of being sent to a tower. If they had somebody that they thought was instrumental in this case, I would have thought they would have already been arrested. But I guess not.

Once the 32 search warrants are released, we will know more information.

Self delete wrong info

 

[v0x]

I think based on the things I have read lately they are more rediably accessible than most people realize. IMO CBI/FBI would have no problem using one for surviellance purposes and it doesn't matter how urban the area is while being used to intercept specific cell phones. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to learn that they were using one to intercept transmissions while staking out at the neighbors next to the Franch....MOO

Stingray phone tracker - Wikipedia

They are used to collect information on suspects they are already aware of. AFAIK LE had no prior knowledge of an anticipated crime in this case.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

From what I’ve read about stingray devices, they are very costly, and most likely to be deployed in more urban areas where cellular activity is higher rather than a rural area such as CO with a much lower cellular activity IMO.

ETA: I’d guess any location data is coming from standard cell tower pings and triangulation.

Yet, stingrays can read text real time from what I have read. That maybe something that could not be garnered any other way? Also. The FBI was involved in this case, and they are the primary owners of them from what I have read.

This is not where I learned the information from, just a quick Google search to give a link on such.

How police use 'stingray' devices to secretly track your phone

 

[v0x]

Yet, stingrays can read text real time from what I have read. That maybe something that could not be garnered any other way? Also. The FBI was involved in this case, and they are the primary owners of them from what I have read.

This is not where I learned the information from, just a quick Google search to give a link on such.

How police use 'stingray' devices to secretly track your phone

Why would they deploy them without prior knowledge of what would transpire?

 

[ab01]

They are used to collect information on suspects they are already aware of. AFAIK LE had no prior knowledge of an anticipated crime in this case.

I think there may have been a point where they had enough cell phone data to get a warrant to use one...MOO

 

[Dave F.]

I don't think it's an 'either/or'. When you've got to go, you'll settle for a rest stop instead of driving another 40 miles to an open gas station. Conversely, if you can wait a little longer and you want a drink or snack as well as a toilet, you pull over to a gas station/7-11 near the exit ramps.

I tend to agree with @SandyQLS about using gas stations, truck stops or restaurants. I have traveled the west extensively, and new exactly where the cleanest bathrooms were along the way. There are some exceptionally nice rest areas, as well.
I know where I would stop, if I made that drive. I created the list for anyone else's use. Under the plea agreement, I'm sure LE has the right to ask her where she stopped, and then go looking for cameras. I'm not really interested in second-guessing LE, at this point. IMO

 

[susiQ]

Good point. She probably put the bags in the alley at the same point he put by the car perhaps.

By the way, today for the first time I realized that the alley was the drive that goes in front of her place where the parking spaces are. Her address is actually fronting to the main road which I always considered the back and that is why I was always confused.

It took me a long time, but I was finally convinced 100% that the* alley *was the drive in front of her place which is only wide enough for one car as you drive out of it to the left . I know you guys probably already knew this, but I missed a lot of post when y'all were discussing such.

Well, I guess they both put their evidence, which would later be burned at the ranchette, by the green Toyota:
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV Feb 19
Kenney says Frazee our Kelsey in a black tote and set that on the ground near the green Toyota before putting it in his truck & transporting her remains to a ranch in Fremont County. Didn’t catch the name. @KOAA #PatrickFrazee #KelseyBerreth #KrystalKenney

There you go. Both statements were true

 

[dixiegirl1035]

They are used to collect information on suspects they are already aware of. AFAIK LE had no prior knowledge of an anticipated crime in this case.

The reference was to the FBI going to a neighbor's house above the hill, a week before arrest.

possibly the reason for such was not only surveillance, but also to put up a Stingray or something like that a week before his arrest,. That was where the origins of this discussion was.