CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #51 *ARREST*

[Love Never Fails]

BBM:

I agree that this was calculated rage.
I think PF hated KB.

I also think PF gets off on exerting physical control and dominance over others, likely d/t to his inability to demonstrate any mastery over other aspects of his life.
Inflicting pain and suffering would be one way for PF to feel like he had power and control in a situation.

Killing would be another.

Brute force was the one, single advantage PF had over KB.
He used it.

When he called KK and stated, "You have a mess to clean up," I suspect he was bragging.
I don't think he experienced any feelings of regret, guilt, remorse, revulsion, etc., either during or after the murder.
Quite the opposite, in fact.
I think he felt pretty good about himself.

JMO.

I wish I could bold this whole post. So good Gordian!

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don’t think we’re going to be that lucky here.

The evidence is incredibly strong, but PF is a man with nothing to lose.

Watts likely did it to save face, and perhaps because of the fear of the death penalty (even though any fear was misguided).

They had Patterson dead to rights, to include a living victim, and confession.

PF is most likely looking at life in prison, or life in prison.

Unless the DA does something surprising, there isn’t an incentive to deal.

He lawyered up early, kept his mouth shut, and seems like the fighting type.

Atleast at trial, he won’t have a baseball bat.

The prosecution sure will though.

A few days ago I was feeling maybe his mother or brother could convince him to plead guilty for their sakes. But nah, PF is a hard headed, used to getting his way, in your face kind of guy. He
likes to be intimidating and he will make the DA fight for this. Luckily though, the DA will swing that bat right into a win.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I would like to add that I wish the DA would fight for the death penalty in this case. It doesn’t matter to me if PF got life in prison. I would just love to see the look on his face when a jury said guilty and then said sentence is death.

 

[MassGuy]

I would like to add that I wish the DA would fight for the death penalty in this case. It doesn’t matter to me if PF got life in prison. I would just love to see the look on his face when a jury said guilty and then said sentence is death.

Colorado prosecutors don’t go for the death penalty often, but even looking at cases in places where they do go for the death penalty (Texas for instance), they are loath to do it without a body.

I just don’t see it happening here.

But I agree, I’d love to see it.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Colorado prosecutors don’t go for the death penalty often, but even looking at cases in places where they do go for the death penalty (Texas for instance), they are loath to do it without a body.

I just don’t see it happening here.

But I agree, I’d love to see it.

But....if they found Kelsey’s remains, any part of her remains, I think it could give the DA the impetus to ask for the DP. I mean, just to make sure the jury understood she suffered a horrible death should easily seal his fate. I’m looking forward to April 5th!

 

[PommyMommy]

Any word yet? I just feel they will find her remains there at some point and I would sure like for it to be before the 5th.

Nope. That was his latest tweet about it - two hours ago.
MOO

 

[MassGuy]

But....if they found Kelsey’s remains, any part of her remains, I think it could give the DA the impetus to ask for the DP. I mean, just to make sure the jury understood she suffered a horrible death should easily seal his fate. I’m looking forward to April 5th!

True. If they find anything at all that constitutes “remains,” then there will be a much better shot at the death penalty.

 

[GordianKnot]

I would like to add that I wish the DA would fight for the death penalty in this case. It doesn’t matter to me if PF got life in prison. I would just love to see the look on his face when a jury said guilty and then said sentence is death.

BBM:

This is exactly where I am at in my thinking, also.
I want the DA to go for the Death Penalty.
I am aware that the DP has "no teeth" in Colorado, there are only 3 people on death row, the last person executed there was Gary Lee Davis in 1997, yada, yada, yada.
Understood.
I still want the DA to go for the Death Penalty here.

The reasons to pursue it have been discussed before, but one of the practical reasons to go for it is that capital cases in Colorado get 10 peremptory challenges per side, whereas all other cases get 5. Having 10 peremptory challenges would really give the DA a much nicer "cushion" when it came time for jury selection. A lot of us think the jury selection is the only real point of vulnerability for the prosecution.

JMO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

BBM:

This is exactly where I am at in my thinking, also.
I want the DA to go for the Death Penalty.
I am aware that the DP has "no teeth" in Colorado, there are only 3 people on death row, the last person executed there was Gary Lee Davis in 1997, yada, yada, yada.
Understood.
I still want the DA to go for the Death Penalty here.

The reasons to go for it have been discussed before, but one of the practical reasons to go for it is that capital cases in Colorado get 10 peremptory challenges per side, whereas all other cases get 5. Having 10 peremptory challenges would really give the DA a much nicer "cushion" when it came time for jury selection. A lot of us think the jury selection is the only real point of vulnerability for the prosecution.

JMO.

That’s a good point Gordian. I always worry about a jury. I was worried much more when I assumed he strangled her, as if that would be more humane! I guess I didn’t really think about what it takes for a person to die.

But when we heard he head beaten her with a bat, it just blew me away. I wasn’t worried about the jury any longer. I do not think even the good old boy rodeo guys would like hearing about a man beating a woman.

He is just scum. For me, the sentence is all about retribution. As I said, I would want to see his face when they give him the death penalty.

 

[GordianKnot]

I don’t think we’re going to be that lucky here.

The evidence is incredibly strong, but PF is a man with nothing to lose.

Watts likely did it to save face, and perhaps because of fear of the death penalty (even though any fear was misguided).

They had Patterson dead to rights, to include a living victim, and confession.

PF is most likely looking at life in prison, or life in prison.

Unless the DA does something surprising, there isn’t an incentive to deal.

He lawyered up early, kept his mouth shut, and seems like the fighting type.

Atleast at trial, he won’t have a baseball bat.

The prosecution sure will though.

BBMFF:

I know we're beating a dead horse here with the Death Penalty argument, but since PF isn't here, somebody else has to do it.

Even though executions are rarely carried out, the fact that the threat of the proverbial sword is dangling over the prisoner's head every moment of every day for the rest of his life still makes the DP sentence a more potent punishment than LWOP.

There's a huge psychological impact to constantly living in a state of ambiguity.
And, as we all know, there's nothing but ambiguity surrounding Colorado's Death Penalty.
Imagine how awful that would be, not knowing whether your sentence would or would not in fact be carried out.
Most people dislike uncertainty in situations. It creates feelings of anxiety.
People like PF who crave control REALLY hate ambiguity.
It would be the perfect punishment for him.

Psychologically, there's a world of difference between being sentenced to death and being sentenced to life.

I'd really love to see PF suffer the worst possible fate here.
Because that's what he meted out to KB.
KB didn't deserve it.
PF does.

C'mon, Dan. Go get this guy. Stick the needle in his arm.

JMO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Nope. That was his latest tweet about it - two hours ago.
MOO

Maybe they are close to finding her and that’s why we haven’t heard. Hope so!

 

[Love Never Fails]

BBMFF:

I know we're beating a dead horse here with the Death Penalty argument, but since PF isn't here, somebody else has to do it.

Even though executions are rarely carried out, the fact that the threat of the proverbial sword is dangling over the prisoner's head every moment of every day for the rest of his life still makes the DP sentence a more potent punishment than LWOP.

There's a huge psychological impact to constantly living in a state of ambiguity.
And, as we all know, there's nothing but ambiguity surrounding Colorado's Death Penalty.
Imagine how awful that would be, not knowing whether your sentence would or would not in fact be carried out.
Most people dislike uncertainly and ambiguous situations. It creates feelings of anxiety.
People like PF who crave control REALLY hate ambiguity.
It would be the perfect punishment for him.

Psychologically, there's a world of difference between being sentenced to death and being sentenced to life.

I'd really love to see PF suffer the worst possible fate here.
Because that's what he meted out to KB.
KB didn't deserve it.
PF does.

C'mon, Dan. Go get this guy. Stick the needle in his arm.

JMO.

LOL! (How do you copy and bold a sentence to reply to?)
That little dig about PF not being here to beat a dead horse made me laugh out loud. Sad for the horse of course.

Yes! He must control all things. Not knowing when or if CO would elect a Gov that would carry out the death penalty would drive him crazy. Well, okay he is already insane but you get what I mean.

 

[GordianKnot]

LOL! (How do you copy and bold a sentence to reply to?)
That little dig about PF not being here to beat a dead horse made me laugh out loud. Sad for the horse of course.

Yes! He must control all things. Not knowing when or if CO would elect a Gov that would carry out the death penalty would drive him crazy. Well, okay he is already insane but you get what I mean.

I don't think we're going to be so lucky.
It looks like Colorado is well on their way to repealing the DP even as we speak.

Colorado's Death Penalty Repeal Is More Than Policy. For Lawmakers, It's Personal

Based on the above article, I now put the odds of the DA pursuing the death penalty in PF's case at .000000001%.

And that's me being optimistic.

The most we can realistically hope for is LWOP for PF.
With a cellmate who likes to be on the top.
Bunk, I mean.

JMO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Question...
When you post a reply, how do you bold a portion of what the poster says? I see you all do that but I don’t know how. Thanks in advance.

 

[GordianKnot]

Question...
When you post a reply, how do you bold a portion of what the poster says? I see you all do that but I don’t know how. Thanks in advance.

So, here's what you do: after you add the quote to your reply, you go up and highlight the portion of the original post that you want to bold. Then, go up to the menu bar at the top of the post and click on the "B" at the far left. That will bold the highlighted section of the post.

 

[Love Never Fails]

So, here's what you do: after you add the quote to your reply, you go up and highlight the portion of the original post that you want to bold. Then, go up to the menu bar at the top of the post and click on the "B" at the far left. That will bold the highlighted section of the post.

Lol. I am trying but how do I highlight the portion I want to bold? I think my problem is that I am using an iPad. If I had a regular keyboard I would know how but it am thinking I cannot do it with this iPad.
Thank you Gordian.

 

[GordianKnot]

Lol. I am trying but how do I highlight the portion I want to bold? I think my problem is that I am using an iPad. If I had a regular keyboard I would know how but it am thinking I cannot do it with this iPad.
Thank you Gordian.

I've put in call and requested help.
Tech support is on the way!

 

[keminoak]

Does anyone here think PF did not murder Kelsey? I think it was KK and PF covered for her. Seems I may be the only one here with this opinion though.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Does anyone here think PF did not murder Kelsey? I think it was KK and PF covered for her. Seems I may be the only one here with this opinion though.

There was another poster, I think the name was Trudie, who was sure of that. I haven’t seen any posts from Trudie lately. Most of us believe KK had far more to do with this murder than she stated but nah, we believe PF is the one who beat KB to death with the bat and that the DA will prove it.

Would love to hear your theory though.

Welcome!!

ETA: PF isn’t man enough to cover for anyone.

 

[MassGuy]

Does anyone here think PF did not murder Kelsey? I think it was KK and PF covered for her. Seems I may be the only one here with this opinion though.

The evidence points to one person, PF.

He lied about when he last saw Kelsey, returning to the house.

He then spent two days with her phone, sending text messages and making phone calls from the same location.

We have a solid time period when Kelsey was killed, a time period that puts KK in Idaho at the time.

Law enforcement would have vetted her account, and verified her location.

You don’t ever take a liar at their word.

KK was in my opinion, fully capable of murder.

But if she ain’t there, she ain’t there.