CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #51 *ARREST*

[Love Never Fails]

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[GordianKnot]

Does anyone here think PF did not murder Kelsey? I think it was KK and PF covered for her. Seems I may be the only one here with this opinion though.

Here's my opinion:

PF swung the bat.

I think there is no chance, no way whatsoever that PF would cover for KK.

Dude is not exactly what you'd call chivalrous.

PF never loved KK. She was just a side piece for him, who doubled nicely as a cleaning lady when the situation called for it, and by the situation, I mean PF bashing KB's head in with a baseball bat.

The only hide PF cares about is his own. He has zero interest in protecting KK's hide.
Even if he wanted to, I'm not sure how he'd cover the spread on that one.

JMO.

 

[Chocoholic]

Does anyone here think PF did not murder Kelsey? I think it was KK and PF covered for her. Seems I may be the only one here with this opinion though.

Welcome! I was on the fence about her being more involved, but with the evidence that’s come out from the preliminary and warrants, I don’t see how. LE surely didn’t take KK at her word, they have to have evidence to corroborate her story. I’m also confident that there is much more that we aren’t privy to at the moment.

Is this just a feeling you have?

 

[Love Never Fails]

The evidence points to one person, PF.

He lied about when he last saw Kelsey, returning to the house.

He then spent two days with her phone, sending text messages and making phone calls from the same location.

We have a solid time period when Kelsey was killed, a time period that puts KK in Idaho at the time.

Law enforcement would have vetted her account, and verified her location.

You don’t ever take a liar at their word.

KK was in my opinion, fully capable of murder.

But if she ain’t there, she ain’t there.

Yes and I was one of those in the beginning who contemplated whether KK actually committed the murder but I couldn’t make any of the pieces fit. The evidence really pointed to PF from the start. He solicited KK three times. She could have done it. She didn’t. Even if the records had shown she was in town at the time of the murder, I would still conclude he was the killer and that maybe she helped. She is bad. Real bad. But he is the killer. I am just sad they couldn’t charge her with conspiracy or an accessory.like I said, he wouldn’t cover for anybody. And I believe he would frame his own mother...if he could.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Here's my opinion:

PF swung the bat.

I think there is no chance, no way whatsoever that PF would cover for KK.

Dude is not exactly what you'd call chivalrous.

PF never loved KK. She was just a side piece for him, who doubled nicely as a cleaning lady when the situation called for it, and by the situation, I mean PF bashing KB's head in with a baseball bat.

The only hide PF cares about is his own. He has zero interest in protecting KK's hide.
Even if he wanted to, I'm not sure how he'd cover the spread on that one.

JMO.

Your words are so concise! Love it.

 

[keminoak]

Well I'm not completely sure of my theory yet, but something isn't adding up. I think KK killed her. Have we seen any of the messages PF sent to KK "soliciting" her? I would think those would have been shared during that hearing where the state presented evidence. I do think PF was involved, but I think KK played a bigger role than him.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Well I'm not completely sure of my theory yet, but something isn't adding up. I think KK killed her. Have we seen any of the messages PF sent to KK "soliciting" her? I would think those would have been shared during that hearing where the state presented evidence. I do think PF was involved, but I think KK played a bigger role than him.

Here is the thing. I do not believe the DA would be so sloppy as to claim PF solicited KK and then not be able to prove that in court. Do you?
The DA hasn’t presented his case yet. He just had to show enough to validate the charge. I believe she wanted KB dead as much as PF did. But he swung the bat.

 

[MassGuy]

Well I'm not completely sure of my theory yet, but something isn't adding up. I think KK killed her. Have we seen any of the messages PF sent to KK "soliciting" her? I would think those would have been shared during that hearing where the state presented evidence. I do think PF was involved, but I think KK played a bigger role than him.

I’d be open to that, if the evidence was there.

How can she play a bigger role if she isn’t there?

Why did he lie about when he last saw Kelsey?

Why did he have Kelsey’s phone immediately after leaving her house?

Why did he send texts and make phone calls with a dead person, who was at the same location as him?

Why was he the only one caught on video?

Why does evidence support KK’s account?

 

[GordianKnot]

Well I'm not completely sure of my theory yet, but something isn't adding up. I think KK killed her. Have we seen any of the messages PF sent to KK "soliciting" her? I would think those would have been shared during that hearing where the state presented evidence. I do think PF was involved, but I think KK played a bigger role than him.

BBM:
Can you put more words to this?
If you can describe what specifically you're struggling with re: facts of the case, it may be that some of the other posters here on the thread can help clarify or provide info to help with what isn't adding up.

 

[Uninformant]

Well I'm not completely sure of my theory yet, but something isn't adding up. I think KK killed her. Have we seen any of the messages PF sent to KK "soliciting" her? I would think those would have been shared during that hearing where the state presented evidence. I do think PF was involved, but I think KK played a bigger role than him.

When I first learned of the case, I thought his mom did it and he was covering for her.

I’m not sure it was done with a bat.

A lot of things we think are him
being stupid, are only stupid if he commited the murder. For example, checking the video at the bank. It doesn’t sound stupid if he didn’t commit the murder and is simply tracking down alibi evidence.

 

[Love Never Fails]

When I first learned of the case, I thought his mom did it and he was covering for her.

I’m not sure it was done with a bat.

Wow. Haven’t heard that theory yet. I remember thinking he was covering for someone because he was afraid of someone else. Most people run their mouths and he immediately lawyered up. But I don’t believe Ma Frazee had anything to do with the murder. She may know more about after the fact though.

ETA: I do believe he used his fists, a bat and possibly a gun. I am anxious to find out if the teeth they found during the search warrant belonged to KB. I think one of them likely does.

 

[Seattle1]

When I first learned of the case, I thought his mom did it and he was covering for her.

I’m not sure it was done with a bat.

A lot of things we think are him
being stupid, are only stupid if he commited the murder. For example, checking the video at the bank. It doesn’t sound stupid if he didn’t commit the murder and is simply tracking down alibi evidence.

I have no evidence of this but I somehow get the feeling that Ma SF never once stepped foot in KB's townhome -- and not because she wasn't invited. MOO

ETA: I also believe KB was murdered in her townhome.

 

[MemPat]

Does anyone here think PF did not murder Kelsey? I think it was KK and PF covered for her. Seems I may be the only one here with this opinion though.

Read through all the info at the beginning of this thread and you'll find it's so clear that PF killed Kelsey.

Then realize that the DA has more evidence we haven't seen.

If he had any doubt about PF's guilt he would not have arrested him. It would make no sense.

 

[MemPat]

Well I'm not completely sure of my theory yet, but something isn't adding up. I think KK killed her. Have we seen any of the messages PF sent to KK "soliciting" her? I would think those would have been shared during that hearing where the state presented evidence. I do think PF was involved, but I think KK played a bigger role than him.

Welcome to our little opinionated corner of the world, keminoak!

You'll enjoy the conversation here even when you don't agree with where people stand.

And we won't even say, "I told you so," when all the facts see daylight and you join the "He swung the bat" club!

We promise.

 

[Kapua]

BBM:

This is exactly where I am at in my thinking, also.
I want the DA to go for the Death Penalty.
I am aware that the DP has "no teeth" in Colorado, there are only 3 people on death row, the last person executed there was Gary Lee Davis in 1997, yada, yada, yada.
Understood.
I still want the DA to go for the Death Penalty here.

The reasons to pursue it have been discussed before, but one of the practical reasons to go for it is that capital cases in Colorado get 10 peremptory challenges per side, whereas all other cases get 5. Having 10 peremptory challenges would really give the DA a much nicer "cushion" when it came time for jury selection. A lot of us think the jury selection is the only real point of vulnerability for the prosecution.

JMO.

There's not a serious death penalty in my state (CA), either, but I am glad that Scott Peterson (may he rot in Hell for eternity) is on Death Row in San Quentin. MOO

ETA: With a view of the bay in which in dumped the body of his beautiful, pregnant wife, Laci.

 

[Artis]

Colorado prosecutors don’t go for the death penalty often, but even looking at cases in places where they do go for the death penalty (Texas for instance), they are loath to do it without a body.

I just don’t see it happening here.

But I agree, I’d love to see it.

I oppose the death penalty while I fully believe lots of people need dead. I just oppose the state killing anyone. If it's an injured party getting revenge, I'm cool with that. The idea of one thing being a crime for an individual but legal for the state to do is morally wrong. You want someone dead then kill em yourself (not you per se) and it better be a damn good reason because karma. I expect the state to keep the dangerous away from society. Not to punish, torture or abuse, but just lock em up if convicted.

That said, PF's only (nearly zero) chance of ever getting out is a trial. I want that trail because Rodeo Queen and I want her ruined since she's got this damn deal.

I'm not hopeful about the landfill. Never was. Not sure why. Since we don't know why they decided to search it, it's nothing more than a hunch on my part. Kelsey's remains are in some canyon, imo, or maybe a gorge 800 miles away.

 

[Hatch]

Maybe they are close to finding her and that’s why we haven’t heard. Hope so!

Yes I keeping thinking we are slow on here and any minute it will bust open with new findings of KB. I have been over reading the Brandon Lawson case again,he went missing near my area still have not found him or any information.I travel that road often. Some pretty good reading.

 

[Hatch]

LOL! (How do you copy and bold a sentence to reply to?)
That little dig about PF not being here to beat a dead horse made me laugh out loud. Sad for the horse of course.

Yes! He must control all things. Not knowing when or if CO would elect a Gov that would carry out the death penalty would drive him crazy. Well, okay he is already insane but you get what I mean.

The only negative to him getting the death penalty would be getting his own cell and not be in general population. I think he needs to spend some time with some real bad boys with scowling attitudes. Tune him up a bit.

 

[Artis]

Well I'm not completely sure of my theory yet, but something isn't adding up. I think KK killed her. Have we seen any of the messages PF sent to KK "soliciting" her? I would think those would have been shared during that hearing where the state presented evidence. I do think PF was involved, but I think KK played a bigger role than him.

Welcome

I loathe that woman but the evidence doesn't put her in Colorado on Thanksgiving. It all points directly to him. He is also an extremely violent and cruel individual who abused animals.

 

[Hatch]

Welcome @keminoak we try to keep it real in here, every now and then a couple of us myself including, go off on a wild goose chase just to keep it interesting , another member usually jerks us back to the reality of the facts.
KK put a target on her back when she admitted to driving 1600 x 3 to attempt to kill KB, she made herself a pariah and easy to dislike. She has proven not to be a good person on more than one occasion. I will add PF must be the best manipulator to date in this case. The power he had over the women in his life is hard to understand, he is a average looking Joe, nothing to write home about. IMO he is cowboy charming at first until he gets them hooked then the real PF takes over, we all know how the best of the best young woman ended up that is why we are here on the thread together <modsnipped>

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