CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

[girlhasnoname]

Thinking of Kelsey.....Easter is coming and I'm sure Baby K will wondering around hunting Easter eggs. So sad that her momma won't be there with her. Not giving up hope at the landfill.

 

[GordianKnot]

If KK put a match to the place, surely the blood evidence would have been cleaned up.
This would have been an immediate smart response.
However now we have evidence throughout the home, which implicates KB being murdered there.
MOO.

Well, had KK put a match to the place, the fire department would have been called out right away, and LE would have also been contacted when KB couldn't be located or reached.
Arson at townhome + missing person would have definitely signaled foul play.

Apparently, KK did a good enough job with the superficial cleaning that LE found nothing amiss the first time they entered the townhome to do a wellness check.

Fortunately, KB's parents had a sharp eye, and spotted the bloodstains the LEOs missed.

JMO.

 

[Thekt]

Yes, two pairs were taken - items 48 and 49. Both Khombu, size 12 and 12M.

CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*

Yes, two pairs were taken - items 48 and 49. Both Khombu, size 12 and 12M.

CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*

What I find interesting is that in the Walmart video Patrick appears to have on tennis shoes. At least they look like athletic tennis shoes to me, and not boots. Anyone else?

 

[GordianKnot]

Thinking of Kelsey.....Easter is coming and I'm sure Baby K will wondering around hunting Easter eggs. So sad that her momma won't be there with her. Not giving up hope at the landfill.

Thanks for posting this picture, and for voicing those thoughts!
You're right: Easter is coming.
For many of us, it's the ultimate symbol of hope.

Kelsey's physical remains may be in that landfill, but her soul is not.

JMO.

 

[acutename]

DBM

 

[kay74]

He won't tell them where the body is so is he waiting to see if he gets off this, then he won't have to tell them. This whole case is driving me nuts.

 

[MassGuy]

He won't tell them where the body is so is he waiting to see if he gets off this, then he won't have to tell them. This whole case is driving me nuts.

No matter what happens, I don’t see him ever confessing to any part of this.

That includes the location of Kelsey's remains.

He beat Kelsey to death, the least of his concerns would be the well-being of Kelsey’s family.

Unless there is something in it for him, he’ll keep quiet.

 

[acutename]

What I find interesting is that in the Walmart video Patrick appears to have on tennis shoes. At least they look like athletic tennis shoes to me, and not boots. Anyone else?

#14 says "Columbia boots"

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...ofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Execution.pdf

size not specified- maybe worn off? PF's.... or SF's? light hikers could be called "boots" but they might look like athletic shoes. Are the shoes in the video light colored or low cut?

 

[skyedaze]

No matter what happens, I don’t see him ever confessing to any part of this.

That includes the location of Kelsey's remains.

He beat Kelsey to death, the least of his concerns would be the well-being of Kelsey’s family.

I agree. He's mean and enjoys the power of being mean...he's never going to tell them anything.

 

[susiQ]

Just read this again. This is probably nothing but I'll run it by you anyway These excerpts bring me back to the question of the consumptive testing.
[bbm]

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

"2:18 p.m.
Frazee, per Kenney, used a ladder to put Kelsey Berreth’s body near a big haystack. They took the tote with her gun inside.

2:27 p.m.
In conversation with Kenney, Slater says Patrick wanted to make it look like Kelsey Berreth just went off on her own. That’s also why Kenney took Berreth’s gun.

2:41 p.m.
Kenney, on Dec. 20, said Frazee had to climb this large stack & go to the back to grab the tote and a plastic bag containing Kelsey’s gun. The tractor was used to bring the tote down from the top of the stack, Slater says."

So, if the gun was inside the tote, when was it taken out? Was it given to KK's high school chum in the plastic bag? If the gun was in the plastic bag and the bag was at any time IN the black plastic tote with the silver handles (couldn't resist) with KB's body, could there be minute traces of KB's blood on the plastic bag? PF would be really, really stupid for this to happen, but hey, we're talking about PF, right? JMT

eta: early in the case there was concern about how to bring evidence from Idaho to Colorado, right?

 

[susiQ]

I need some help! I'm really stuck on PF and KK returning to KB's condo to pick up his truck. I need to find where this was mentioned and whether or not we can determine when that happened. I know others have brought it up too but I'm beginning to think we imagined it

My understanding is that KK met up with him at the Conoco gas station after her cleaning spree. It's stated that they went to Nash Ranch to pick up the tote and they brought it to the Franchette in the red truck on the 24th. I'm assuming it was PF's red truck but let's face it, he had KB's truck keys at his disposal as well during that time.
Not sure why I'm so hung up on this point.

 

[acutename]

Just read this again. This is probably nothing but I'll run it by you anyway These excerpts bring me back to the question of the consumptive testing.
[bbm]

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

"2:18 p.m.
Frazee, per Kenney, used a ladder to put Kelsey Berreth’s body near a big haystack. They took the tote with her gun inside.

2:27 p.m.
In conversation with Kenney, Slater says Patrick wanted to make it look like Kelsey Berreth just went off on her own. That’s also why Kenney took Berreth’s gun.

2:41 p.m.
Kenney, on Dec. 20, said Frazee had to climb this large stack & go to the back to grab the tote and a plastic bag containing Kelsey’s gun. The tractor was used to bring the tote down from the top of the stack, Slater says."

So, if the gun was inside the tote, when was it taken out? Was it given to KK's high school chum in the plastic bag? If the gun was in the plastic bag and the bag was at any time IN the black plastic tote with the silver handles (couldn't resist) with KB's body, could there be minute traces of KB's blood on the plastic bag? PF would be really, really stupid for this to happen, but hey, we're talking about PF, right? JMT

eta: early in the case there was concern about how to bring evidence from Idaho to Colorado, right?

interesting, but as per KK's story, she, PF and KB all handled the gun. unless it has KB's brain matter or the DNA of some one else whom we have not discussed as a suspect, what would this tell us? It does seem likely that the gun and the bag could have escaped cleaning by KK. (all speculation)

 

[acutename]

I need some help! I'm really stuck on PF and KK returning to KB's condo to pick up his truck. I need to find where this was mentioned and whether or not we can determine when that happened. I know others have brought it up too but I'm beginning to think we imagined it

My understanding is that KK met up with him at the Conoco gas station after her cleaning spree. It's stated that they went to Nash Ranch to pick up the tote and they brought it to the Franchette in the red truck on the 24th. I'm assuming it was PF's red truck but let's face it, he had KB's truck keys at his disposal as well during that time.
Not sure why I'm so hung up on this point.

I remember that bothering me too. A problem is that for them to "go back and get his truck," his truck had to be left there and neither KK nor PF as I recall, ever said that he drove his truck back there. It either puts him driving back there or having left his truck ...when? 11/22? 11/23? 11/24? and then driving another vehicle in the interim. there is discussion about him having at least 3 trucks (red/white/"dark")

 

[susiQ]

interesting, but as per KK's story, she, PF and KB all handled the gun. unless it has KB's brain matter or the DNA of some one else whom we have not discussed as a suspect, what would this tell us? It does seem likely that the gun and the bag could have escaped cleaning by KK. (all speculation)

Well, maybe not much more than we already know but it would add one more nail to PF's coffin

 

[MassGuy]

I can’t stop thinking about the phones.

There is so much evidence that puts PF being ridiculously stupid enough to text to KBs phone within such close proximity to him. Pings prove it. I think we can all agree nobody is this dumb to text a phone in our back pocket and travel with it after we killed a person. Nobody would do that in this day and age it just does not make logical sense.
Saying he did so does not make it true.

Is Kk in the area and has control over KB’s phone at this time. Does PF actually know KB is deceased? Is he actually texting her or KK per KB’s phone ?

Fortunately, stupidity is not a defense.

Intelligent people make bad criminals; people like PF, make terrible criminals.

You’re right, “saying he did so, does not make it true.”

The evidence saying that he did so, certainly seems to prove that to be the case.

Perhaps a lone cell phone transmission at a single moment in time can be wrong.

But when you’re talking about two days of phone locations, two days of cell phone interactions, then that is astronomically unlikely.

He lied about when he last saw Kelsey, this fact is not in dispute.

He told lies to Doss and law enforcement, this fact is not in dispute.

Discount the phone locations and what are you left with:

Two days of phone calls and texts with a dead woman.

Still damning.

 

[susiQ]

I remember that bothering me too. A problem is that for them to "go back and get his truck," his truck had to be left there and neither KK nor PF as I recall, ever said that he drove his truck back there. It either puts him driving back there or having left his truck ...when? 11/22? 11/23? 11/24? and then driving another vehicle in the interim. there is discussion about him having at least 3 trucks (red/white/"dark")

You see, that's the thing! KK pointed out other "similar" black plastic totes scattered around the franchette on her "walk around" with LE on the 21st. During the preliminary hearing Steigerwald asked Slater (I believe) if he knew what PF keeps his tools in, or something to that effect. PF was spotted with a black plastic tote with silver handles in the bed of his truck on video. Is it possible he put another black tote with KB in it into to bed of KB's truck and took it to Nash Ranch? The neighbour said she saw all three vehicles there. Did PF get there first before KB got back from Safeway and it was HER red truck that was parked behind the other two vehicles (PF's red truck and her green Toyota) horizontally? Did PF go to Walmart with baby K in KB's truck and then return to play "guess the scent?"

I think I'm losing my mind, slowly though.

 

[ilovechili]

If Sam and KOAA are correct in their 03/04 article, then the delayed arraignment/plea has nothing to do with the consumptive testing as this is what was said:

"In addition to those decisions, the state and defense agreed to move a decision about consumptive evidence testing until after Frazee’s arraignment.

Consumptive testing involves evidence that can only be tested one time, likely due to the size of the evidence or the material in question.

That piece of evidence remains unknown following Monday’s hearing.

Frazee’s arraignment is now scheduled for Friday, April 5 at 8:30 a.m., when he could enter a plea."

They wanted the testing delayed until after the plea. Now the plea is delayed waiting on that? Which came first, the chicken or the egg? And if one never occurs, when does the other?

And here we are weeks later, no arraignment and no consumptive testing process agreed to yet.

It must not be the results they are talking about as a reason for the delay...

ETA: Link: More documents in Frazee case to be released later this week

 

[MassGuy]

If Sam and KOAA are correct in their 03/04 article, then the delayed arraignment/plea has nothing to do with the consumptive testing as this is what was said:

"In addition to those decisions, the state and defense agreed to move a decision about consumptive evidence testing until after Frazee’s arraignment.

Consumptive testing involves evidence that can only be tested one time, likely due to the size of the evidence or the material in question.

That piece of evidence remains unknown following Monday’s hearing.

Frazee’s arraignment is now scheduled for Friday, April 5 at 8:30 a.m., when he could enter a plea."

They wanted the testing delayed until after the plea. Now the plea is delayed waiting on that? Which came first, the chicken or the egg? And if one never occurs, when does the other?

And here we are weeks later, no arraignment and no consumptive testing process agreed to yet.

It must not be the results they are talking about as a reason for the delay...

ETA: Link: More documents in Frazee case to be released later this week

They were talking about the rest of the forensic testing, as being the reason for the delay.

From Sam:

Both parties want seven more weeks for forensic evidence testing. Defense feels Frazee needs that information before moving forward.

Dan May talking first. He’s reiterating the need to finish the forensic testing. He says a trial date likely would have been set for August, but they want to process everything first. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I need some help! I'm really stuck on PF and KK returning to KB's condo to pick up his truck. I need to find where this was mentioned and whether or not we can determine when that happened. I know others have brought it up too but I'm beginning to think we imagined it

My understanding is that KK met up with him at the Conoco gas station after her cleaning spree. It's stated that they went to Nash Ranch to pick up the tote and they brought it to the Franchette in the red truck on the 24th. I'm assuming it was PF's red truck but let's face it, he had KB's truck keys at his disposal as well during that time.
Not sure why I'm so hung up on this point.

It might help if you gave a link as to where you heard that KK and PF went to pick up a truck at KB condo.

I have never heard that before.

 

[ilovechili]

They were talking about the rest of the forensic testing, as being the reason for the delay.

From Sam:

Both parties want seven more weeks for forensic evidence testing. Defense feels Frazee needs that information before moving forward.

Dan May talking first. He’s reiterating the need to finish the forensic testing. He says a trial date likely would have been set for August, but they want to process everything first. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

I am well aware of that. I am simply saying it is not due to the consumptive testing per what has been said prior as they do not want to agree on that or address it until after arraignment. And the arraignment is adjourned. Therefore, the debate on the process for the consumptive testing is delayed.