Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #55 *ARREST*

[GordianKnot]

KK not only allowed the murder of Kelsey to take place, but by her own admission, made three separate attempts on Kelsey’s life.

Also by her own admission, she helped clean up the crime scene, destroyed evidence, misled an investigation, and was complicit in a coverup.

The argument that she should be not be on the streets, is based on a false premise:

That someone said she should be on the streets in the first place.

Not a single person here has ever expressed the opinion that KK is being sentenced to an adequate prison term for her involvement.

What is being expressed, is that this deal is worth it if it puts Kelsey’s killer away.

It's a shame KK isn't Amish, because she should be shunned for the rest of her life.

But wishing and hoping won't make a thing happen...that's magical thinking.
It ain't reality.

KK won't get her just desserts here <modsnip>

Here's the thing:
What matters most is that PF goes away forever.
Whatever it takes, that's what DA May had to give to get that outcome.

Priorities.

JMO.

 

[katydid23]

KK not only allowed the murder of Kelsey to take place, but by her own admission, made three separate attempts on Kelsey’s life.

Also by her own admission, she helped clean up the crime scene, destroyed evidence, misled an investigation, and was complicit in a coverup.

The argument that she should be not be on the streets, is based on a false premise:

That someone said she should be on the streets in the first place.

Not a single person here has ever expressed the opinion that KK is being sentenced to an adequate prison term for her involvement.

What is being expressed, is that this deal is worth it if it puts Kelsey’s killer away.

Exactly.

To me, it is the question of their little girl. If the police had not arrested him so quickly, she would have been a hostage on that Franch. If his mother had gotten custody, it would have spelled doom for that poor child.

That^^ is what makes me 'okay' with this sweet deal for KK. It is a trade off.

If they had not accepted that deal with her, it would have taken much longer for them to get probable cause for warrants and they may not have ever found the evidence needed. He would have had more time to scramble around and cover.

 

[Love Never Fails]

KB should be looking ahead to the holidays, planning Baby K's Halloween costume, getting out her favorite family recipes for Thanksgiving, making her Christmas wish lists, etc.

But she isn't going to be doing any of that.

On account of PF murdered her.

She won't be looking forward to or celebrating any holidays ever again.

On account of PF murdered her.

If jurors are unhappy about the timing of the trial falling so near the holidays, DA May can always offer apologies for any temporary inconvenience or disruption hearing about KB's blood splatter may bring into their lives.

Then he can remind them that Kelsey's upcoming holiday plans were permanently disrupted, and by permanently, I mean, forevermore.

On account of PF murdered her.

If the prosecution is ready to move ahead come October, I say, "All rise," bang that gavel, judge, and let's get that trial underway.

JMO.

I believe it was MyBelle who posted that if the trial starts October 28 it might wrap up by Thanksgiving anyway. That’s a good point.

I get your point too. If KB was here she could dress her little girl in a Halloween costume, make some favorite dishes for Thanksgiving and make a Christmas list but, as you said, KB isn’t here.

And PF is locked up and not going anywhere.

Since KB isn’t here, I am not sure the DA would want to put the good people who elected him through a gory trial and point out that KB isn’t there to enjoy those things. Maybe it would make the citizenry feel guilty that they can enjoy their children and relatives during the holidays. Maybe keep them from being able to eat a good Thanksgiving meal or shop for their own little ones all in the name of the DA winning a case.

After all, PF is locked up and not going anywhere.

And since PF will be locked up throughout the holidays and if the case against him is solid, there are no worries.

 

[Steelslady]

Precise logic. And if KK was to renege on the deal and say something different, she wouldn't suddenly be charged with murder: "Oops! We see now we made a mistake. Sorry! Let's fix this with the correct charges."

That's fantasy. And like you said one that would have PF walk.

I have often felt there's more rage against KK than PF for this crime. More desire to see her locked up for life than a fear that PF will get off.

In fact, I suspect there are some who would be somewhat comfortable with PF walking while KK served life.

Oh no, I definitely want that jerk behind bars for life- I don't want him to ever see the outside of prison ever again. Believe me, I am livid beyond words over his actions. He is despicable.

However, as a woman myself, there is just no way in God's creation that I could ever attempt to kill another woman, then clean up after my boyfriend or whatever he was to her's mess from the murder. She is a nurse for God's sake. She saw suffering in her work days. How could she do this? How can you explain her behavior? How can you explain one mother killing another?

The last I know, KK and Kelsey didn't know one another- maybe met here or there at a rodeo, but they didn't interact outside of that. She didn't know Kelsey as a person! She helped a man who she knew in her younger years, then reconnected with him after PF and Kelsey hooked up- which begs the question- just how much time did she actually spend with PF, living so far away? How could she have formed an opinion about Kelsey without knowing her, and just go along with either trying to kill her or clean up after her boyfriend or whatever he was killed her?

The only victim here is Kelsey. PF and KK are not victims. They are the reason why her daughter no longer has a loving mother, why her parents can't even give her a decent burial, why her brother has no sibling. Both of them. KK is not a victim here!

 

[Seattle1]

 

[GordianKnot]

I believe it was MyBelle who posted that if the trial starts October 28 it might wrap up by Thanksgiving anyway. That’s a good point.

I get your point too. If KB was here she could dress her little girl in a Halloween costume, make some favorite dishes for Thanksgiving and make a Christmas list but, as you said, KB isn’t here.

And PF is locked up and not going anywhere.

Since KB isn’t here, I am not sure the DA would want to put the good people who elected him through a gory trial and point out that KB isn’t there to enjoy those things. Maybe it would make the citizenry feel guilty that they can enjoy their children and relatives during the holidays. Maybe keep them from being able to eat a good Thanksgiving meal or shop for their own little ones all in the name of the DA winning a case.

After all, PF is locked up and not going anywhere.

And since PF will be locked up throughout the holidays and if the case against him is solid, there are no worries.

BBM:

Why would the jury feel guilty?

They didn't murder KB.

When weighed in the balance, if someone cares more about being able to sit down to their turkey dinner than they do about seeing that the murderer of a young mother is brought to justice, then frankly, that's someone I don't want sitting on that jury.

The giblets can wait.

Lady Justice shouldn't have to wait a moment longer than is absolutely necessary.

PF is sitting locked up right now. This is true.

But here's the thing:

The difference between PF sitting in jail, thinking he's going home after the trial, and sitting in prison, knowing prison will be his only home for the rest of his life, is huge in terms of its impact.

I want PF to know he's going to prison...the sooner, the better.

I want reality to hit him in the face just as hard as that bat he swung hit Kelsey in her face.

He's going to need to hear a guilty verdict and have the judge impose a LWOP sentence in order for that to sink through his thick skull.

JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I believe it was MyBelle who posted that if the trial starts October 28 it might wrap up by Thanksgiving anyway. That’s a good point.

I get your point too. If KB was here she could dress her little girl in a Halloween costume, make some favorite dishes for Thanksgiving and make a Christmas list but, as you said, KB isn’t here.

And PF is locked up and not going anywhere.

Since KB isn’t here, I am not sure the DA would want to put the good people who elected him through a gory trial and point out that KB isn’t there to enjoy those things. Maybe it would make the citizenry feel guilty that they can enjoy their children and relatives during the holidays. Maybe keep them from being able to eat a good Thanksgiving meal or shop for their own little ones all in the name of the DA winning a case.

After all, PF is locked up and not going anywhere.

And since PF will be locked up throughout the holidays and if the case against him is solid, there are no worries.

I’ve never heard of a trial delayed because it might stretch into the holidays.

When a holiday occurs during a lengthy trial, the jury gets an extended break.

Kelsey was brutally murdered, and I’d be willing to bet that that her family wants justice sooner, rather than later.

Thanksgiving Turkey be damned. Please pass the gravy.

 

[PommyMommy]

I’ve never heard of a trial delayed because it might stretch into the holidays.

When a holiday occurs during a lengthy trial, the jury gets an extended break.

Kelsey was brutally murdered, and I’d be willing to bet that that her family wants justice sooner, rather than later.

Thanksgiving Turkey be damned. Please pass the gravy.

All over these threads we see, "May justice be swift!" I would like to actually see it happen for a change. And, may they both receive the harshest punishment possible. MOO

ETA: Please pass the green bean casserole.

 

[MemPat]

Exactly.

To me, it is the question of their little girl. If the police had not arrested him so quickly, she would have been a hostage on that Franch. If his mother had gotten custody, it would have spelled doom for that poor child.

That^^ is what makes me 'okay' with this sweet deal for KK. It is a trade off.

If they had not accepted that deal with her, it would have taken much longer for them to get probable cause for warrants and they may not have ever found the evidence needed. He would have had more time to scramble around and cover.

BBM

Yes! Speaking as a mother I can tell you that, if standing here today Kelsey would choose for KK to ride happily off to Sonic rather than see Frazee and his mother get custody of her baby girl. MOO

I suspect we'll learn someday that LE spoke with Kelsey's mom before they agreed to KK's sweetie beauty of a deal.

I believe the baby's best interest was the focus in those early days and I envision sweet pictures of Kelsey with her on the bulletin boards at the police station.

Like most people here, I strongly wish for KK to be severely punished.
I promise.
Maybe she'll do time. Maybe just having her photo removed from the Rodeo Queen wall of honor will be it
but if Frazee never sees the light of day again, I'm going to be good.

 

[mickey2942]

BBM

Yes! Speaking as a mother I can tell you that, if standing here today, Kelsey would choose for KK to ride happily off to Sonic rather than see Frazee and his mother get custody of her baby girl. MOO

I suspect we'll learn someday that LE spoke with Kelsey's mom before they agreed to KK's sweetie beauty of a deal.

I believe the baby's best interest was the focus in those early days and I envision sweet pictures of Kelsey with her on the bulletin boards at the station.

Like most people here, I strongly wish for KK to be severely punished.
I promise.
Maybe she'll do time. Maybe just having her photo removed from the Rodeo Queen wall of honor will be it
but if Frazee never sees the light of day again, I'm going to be good.

KK will never be able to get a job in nursing. She will be lucky to work at a gas station. Even case management jobs for nurses wouldn't take her, too much baggage.

The 'Rodeo Queen' won't like that.

 

[susiQ]

I’ve never heard of a trial delayed because it might stretch into the holidays.

When a holiday occurs during a lengthy trial, the jury gets an extended break.

Kelsey was brutally murdered, and I’d be willing to bet that that her family wants justice sooner, rather than later.

Thanksgiving Turkey be damned. Please pass the gravy.

Your post somehow reminded me of something I saw when first on this thread. A meme from a WS member.
So apropos for PF. He will dine at "Karma Cafe .....where everyone is served, what they deserve!" Just love that!!

 

[Colorado303]

I look for the trial to begin around the first of the year. I don’t think the defense will want to move the case to another location. But I do consider how potential jurors would feel hearing the details of a murder case during the holidays. I wouldn’t want all that gore on my mind while shopping for Christmas presents for my family or enjoying a Thanksgiving dinner knowing a young mother was murdered likely on Thanksgiving Day.

Then no criminal trials should ever be conducted from mid November to the 2nd week in January. Or from mid-May to June lest they detract from graduation celebrations and Mother/Father Day get-togethers. March and April should be reserved for Spring break/Easter and July of course to celebrate the birth of our fine country. And August so parents can enjoy the last weeks of summer w/their family and see older kids off to college. Clearly criminal trials are only appropriate in Sept, October, Mid-Jan to Feb (with a week off for Valentines Day) and the first week in May.

MHOO

 

[ilovechili]

And it seems that it is women that are the most obsessed with finding her as the most guilty party.

With all due respect, it is also part of the very problem. She as another woman let this happen to a woman. Another mother let it happen to a mother.

I for one do not think she is the "most guilty". I want them both off of the streets and NOWHERE near my loved ones.

A WOMAN LOST HER LIFE. A MOTHER LOST HER LIFE. Baby K has no MOTHER. And KK at minimum knew it was going to happen and went to do it herself as well and then lied. KB IS DEAD.

She could have stayed in ID and NEVER came and cleaned up or ditched anything if her story is true. She had choices. She could have told the truth from day one.

I also do not believe she just chickened out each time--she may have but not because she did not want to do it. One time was because of dogs barking. She did not want to get CAUGHT. Imo.

It is pretty bad when women have to still fight for the right to have an opinion and even worse when it is with other females. Or that one would not warn another over a murder plot to end her life over some cowboy with bad bangs and a mama's boy to boot.

I want to make clear that this is not directed at you at all but just generally. I used the post as a jumping off point.

Jmo.

 

[Steelslady]

KK will never be able to get a job in nursing. She will be lucky to work at a gas station. Even case management jobs for nurses wouldn't take her, too much baggage.

The 'Rodeo Queen' won't like that.

A Sonic near her might be hiring....... after all, she gave them a little bit of publicity.

 

[ilovechili]

Precise logic. And if KK was to renege on the deal and say something different, she wouldn't suddenly be charged with murder: "Oops! We see now we made a mistake. Sorry! Let's fix this with the correct charges."

That's fantasy. And like you said one that would have PF walk.

I have often felt there's more rage against KK than PF for this crime. More desire to see her locked up for life than a fear that PF will get off.

In fact, I suspect there are some who would be somewhat comfortable with PF walking while KK served life.

Not I. I want them both locked up and put away, neither should be on the streets.

Of course they would not suddenly charge her with murder, she would lose her deal and more likely be charged with more tampering charges, obstruction of justice and other things instead of some little charge with perhaps no time at all which is what they gave her right? IANAL.

We don't spend as much time on him because he is where he belongs. She is not. He is IN jail, people are safe from him at the moment. She runs around free and probably nutty Lord knows where.

I would not want her near my house, my cul de sac, my suburban neighborhood, a school, a hospital, etc. And I would not want him shoeing my horse, near it, riding it, nor near my dog nor anyone.

And I sure the h**k would not want to hang my case on her.

But that is jmo.

Let's be honest. Not a single one of us has ever even heard her speak nor him either other than a word or two or something from back when found online.

Yet some think she will be so credible but I do not know how they have any idea how she will come across on the stand.

No one I know wants another Casey Anthony, nor OJ but this time with a PF and we already know KK is likely walking. And yes, some of us are upset about that.

Jmvho.

 

[1&2&3]

I see the trial happening on the scheduled date as a fit and appropriate time. This time last year, KK and PF were deep into planning this horrendous murder.

Not recalling the actual dates that KK tried to take KB out, however, it must have been during the October to November timeframe.

So, in my view, what better timing than one year later to be in the courtroom reliving the events preceding the Thanksgiving day murder of KB?

The Barreth family should be the ones we are thinking of and wanting justice for sooner than later. They have suffered a terrible loss yet have shown grace and peace for the entire time. They still don’t have their daughter’s body to properly bury.

Let’s give them the trial as scheduled so that is one gigantic
monster they can be finished with. It is time to get this trial behind them. Prolonging the trial is digging deeper into their hearts.

 

[katydid23]

"I want to make clear that this is not directed at you at all but just generally. I used the post as a jumping off point."

Nor was I directing my post at you. Notice that I said "And it seems that it is women that are the most obsessed with finding her as the most guilty party."

And you say you don't believe she is more guilty than him, right?

 

[1&2&3]

Wonder if KK’s nursing license will be pulled?

It would seem that any kind of felony would disqualify her from being a nurse. JMO.

 

[mickey2942]

Wonder if KK’s nursing license will be pulled?

It would seem that any kind of felony would disqualify her from being a nurse. JMO.

Not necessarily, but this crime is quite heinous. Licensing boards wouldn't work with this type of crime.

 

[Seattle1]

Then no criminal trials should ever be conducted from mid November to the 2nd week in January. Or from mid-May to June lest they detract from graduation celebrations and Mother/Father Day get-togethers. March and April should be reserved for Spring break/Easter and July of course to celebrate the birth of our fine country. And August so parents can enjoy the last weeks of summer w/their family and see older kids off to college. Clearly criminal trials are only appropriate in Sept, October, Mid-Jan to Feb (with a week off for Valentines Day) and the first week in May.

MHOO

I truly don't want to put a fly in the ointment on this well thought out schedule, but I'd be remiss if I didn't share that Colorado is seriously considering synchronizing it's fiscal year with the Feds. That would mean their fiscal year would begin Oct 1 (instead of July 1).

As municipal budgets tend to run, it's pretty much guaranteed that there will be a shortage of funds during September -- forcing some furlough days, that could also impact the court calendar.

And on October 1st --with budgets replenished with spending dollars, the number one priority will be to bring the contractors on site for annual maintenance, and to winterize the buildings.

Not picking on Teller County -- but that Courthouse was built in 1904, and you just can't mobilize much more than half a crew per shift, not to risk overloading the power grid.

I apologize, but I just don't think it a good idea to rely on September or October for criminal trials.