Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #55 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

BBM

There was nothing for the prosecutor to correct.

Slater said on the stand that Kelsey was killed in the living room while Baby K was in the back room.

Unfortunately, Sam didn't hear it correctly but he later corrected his tweet after the prosecutor confirmed at the press conference what Slater's testimony was. Have you listened to the press conference that was linked for you?

1. The affidavit says Kelsey was murdered in the living room while Baby K was in the back room.

2. Slater testified on the stand that Kelsey was murdered in the living room while Baby K was in the back room. (Sam heard wrong but corrected his tweet)

3. Prosecutor confirms/clarifies that Slater testified that Kelsey was murdered in the living room while Baby K was in the back room.

We went over all of this seven months ago. I'm pretty sure that the majority of posters here who have followed the case closely, understand and believe that Kelsey was killed in the living room as the evidence and testimony indicates. ??? MOO

I’m about ready to call it a day. Oh, yes, we’ve been beating this horse for the last 24hrs. PF would be impressed

 

[MsBetsy]

We don't know why PF was at the front door or how long he stayed there. Plus, at the preliminary hearing, testimony by detective Adams was that he could see the car seat in the security videos but couldn't tell if the baby was in it.



BBM. I am not responsible for the reporter's blog about the preliminary hearing. He went back and inserted other tweets into his blog such as the one I've linked below. The tweet you are referring to was about a press conference. The blog was only about the preliminary hearing. If the prosecutor wanted to correct what Agent Slater said, it should have been done while he was on the witness stand.

Also at, the preliminary hearing, Agent Slater testified that the analysis of the suspected blood found in areas outside the bathroom had not been completed. It is hard to believe the blood was from a clean-up considering it was all over the place including door hinges.

Agent Slater said he was told by KK that the baby gate was by the stairs.



JMO

Sam Kraemer
@SamKraemerTV
Defense pointing out fact that Frazee never blatantly said he wanted Krystal to kill Kelsey Berreth. Slater agrees. Kenney felt like Frazee was just “pulling her chain”. Kenney is the one who suggested putting ambien in the macchiato.
@KOAA
#KrystalKenney #PatrickFrazee
4:54 PM · Feb 19, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

Well, all I remember from following along that day was that the reference to the murder occurring in the back room was quickly corrected to the living room. (and that the child was in the back room) For a short time there was some confusion but once it was clarified it was never disputed or questioned until now.
This is the evidence we have been going by all along.

Is there anyone else who has interpreted this the same way?
I haven't seen it brought up until now.
I never realized it was an issue.

IMO

 

[Area52]

Well, all I remember from following along that day was that the reference to the murder occurring in the back room was quickly corrected to the living room. (and that the child was in the back room) For a short time there was some confusion but once it was clarified it was never disputed or questioned until now.
This is the evidence we have been going by all along.

Is there anyone else who has interpreted this the same way?
I haven't seen it brought up until now.
I never realized it was an issue.

IMO

Yes Ms Betsy you are absolutely correct on your interpretation. and it hasn't been an issue. It was only an issue for 1 or 1 person!

 

[susiQ]

Well, all I remember from following along that day was that the reference to the murder occurring in the back room was quickly corrected to the living room. (and that the child was in the back room) For a short time there was some confusion but once it was clarified it was never disputed or questioned until now.
This is the evidence we have been going by all along.

Is there anyone else who has interpreted this the same way?
I haven't seen it brought up until now.
I never realized it was an issue.

IMO

Sadly, it appears to be the issue of all issues for someone. And it doesn’t seem to matter how many different ways it is explained, the facts are ignored. It’s a no win situation. It is beyond common sense and reasoning. But thanks to everyone for giving it your best shot!

 

[susiQ]

Yes Ms Betsy you are absolutely correct on your interpretation. and it hasn't been an issue. It was only an issue for 1 or 1 person!

I like how you said that!

 

[Area52]

I'm with you SusiQ. The horse has definately been beaten to death. It's been exhausting. I'm done for tonight. Sometimes chickens, sometimes feathers! Have a good night all!

 

[katydid23]

Yes Ms Betsy you are absolutely correct on your interpretation. and it hasn't been an issue. It was only an issue for 1 or 1 person!

And unfortunately it then becomes an issue for all of us, because it is not good to have incorrect information posted on the board. It breeds confusion and misinformation.

We can all have our own opinions and theories but we need to stay true to the facts that are known. JMO

 

[NWLady]

And unfortunately it then becomes an issue for all of us, because it is not good to have incorrect information posted on the board. It breeds confusion and misinformation.

We can all have our own opinions and theories but we need to stay true to the facts that are known. JMO

And not only does it breed confusion and misinformation, it also gets very discouraging, frustrating and causes lots of distraction and then takes the focus away of what this thread should be about. We should all be able to agree to disagree. And after something is proven by so many posters with links, etc. that show the information being put out is NOT correct, then it should be acknowledged, considered, and then it's time to move on to the next discussion, next topic.

This is all JMO.

 

[MemPat]

Sadly, it appears to be the issue of all issues for someone. And it doesn’t seem to matter how many different ways it is explained, the facts are ignored. It’s a no win situation. It is beyond common sense and reasoning. But thanks to everyone for giving it your best shot!

BBM

What?! Did you say someone was SHOT? I'm pretty sure you did.

MOO

 

[MyBelle]

Well, all I remember from following along that day was that the reference to the murder occurring in the back room was quickly corrected to the living room. (and that the child was in the back room) For a short time there was some confusion but once it was clarified it was never disputed or questioned until now.
This is the evidence we have been going by all along.

Is there anyone else who has interpreted this the same way?
I haven't seen it brought up until now.
I never realized it was an issue.

IMO

Where the baby was is not an issue for me because it is irrelevant. Not sure why others are so adamant. I guess I'm the only one who bothered to read the reporter's blog and the defense's cross examination and see his focus, which wasn't on the location of the baby. The prosecution still needs to prove where the murder took place in that condo whether it was back room, living room, kitchen, bath. And explain the unknown male DNA found in the bath where KB's blood was found.

Another issue for me is that KK told Agent Slater that PF didn't directly ask that she kill KB, that the drugging of the Starbucks coffee with Ambien was her idea, she made no effort to ensure the safety of her child after she claimed PF threatened her AND that she didn't believe the baby was abused. She also told Slater she was still in love with PF. What she describes as love looks more like toxic obsession.

JMO

 

[MemPat]

Toxic obsession can certainly be a thing.

 

[Dave F.]

Toxic obsession can be a motive IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Toxic obsession can certainly be a thing.

Yes, it was only "love" in the eyes of KK. I doubt that love, or obsession, was reciprocated. It was crucial for Frazee, though, because he needed someone (he thought) he could trust completely.

IMO

 

[mickey2942]

Yes, it was only "love" in the eyes of KK. I doubt that love, or obsession, was reciprocated. It was crucial for Frazee, though, because he needed someone (he thought) he could trust completely.

IMO

Or control. It doesn't seem to me that he had KB completely under his control.

There must have been a reason why he didn't live with her and Baby K. And why they weren't married. Maybe KB wasn't so enthusiastic about PF.

 

[MassGuy]

Toxic obsession can be a motive IMO

Absolutely. But PF was there, and KK wasn’t.

In many murders you can find people with a motive. But you still need an opportunity to commit the crime.

Only one of these people lied about when they last saw Kelsey.

Only one of them returned to the house after they last claimed to have seen her.

Only one of these people spent two hours there.

Only one of these people left with her phone.

Only one of these people immediately contacted his mistress and mommy.

You get my drift.

 

[Dave F.]

Wouldn't the person that left with her phone be KK? Not trying to be picky, but didn't she admit taking it to Idaho and sending phony messages on it? Just asking a question (in two parts).

 

[MyBelle]

Toxic obsession can be a motive IMO

Yes, it can be a motive. Another point brought out on cross-examination was that KK tried to become pals with KB to the point she gave her KK's burner cell phone number and then KK destroyed the burner phone. I'd like to know if LE did a search of KB's Sept phone records to see if she ever contacted that number.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Wouldn't the person that left with her phone be KK? Not trying to be picky, but didn't she admit taking it to Idaho and sending phony messages on it? Just asking a question (in two parts).

No. Absolutely not.

The most significant event is Kelsey’s phone leaving her house at the exact same time that PF did.

There is no overstating the significance of this.

This is almost certainly how the prosecution will prove that PF killed Kelsey, and he did it during that two hour period.

He’s not supposed to be in that house, he’s caught dead to rights in this lie, and Kelsey’s phone leaves with him.

That phone spends the next two days traveling with, and in close proximity to, PF’s phone.

By the time KK takes that phone to Idaho, Kelsey has been dead for close to 3 days.

 

[Dave F.]

Yes, it can be a motive. Another point brought out on cross-examination was that KK tried to become pals with KB to the point she gave her KK's burner cell phone number and then KK destroyed the burner phone. I'd like to know if LE did a search of KB's Sept phone records to see if she ever contacted that number.

JMO

Or if KB ever got any calls, even hangups, from a 208 area code?

 

[Dave F.]

Or control. It doesn't seem to me that he had KB completely under his control.

There must have been a reason why he didn't live with her and Baby K. And why they weren't married. Maybe KB wasn't so enthusiastic about PF.

Yah think? Could that possibly be why his DNA or fingerprints weren't anythere in the condo, including places KK never cleaned, like the loft?