CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #56 *ARREST*

[ilovechili]

He'd have to testify to do that and I don't think he will. He seems pretty good at keeping his mouth shut (unlike his cohort).

He has kept his mouth shut with a few major exceptions.

He apparently told KK everything in detail right down to setting the tote by the green car and losing a tooth and more. Apparently in very minute long winded detail. Odd. And then leaves the location of the body out...

And of course lying to LE and talking to the social worker.

Since then though, zip, nothing.

Jmo.

 

[k-mac]

my take in kks 'oh but I deliberately left that for you guys'.

struck me as the ol clairvoyant trick. reads the play quick and makes the listener feel that the information is fresh when its actually been fed to the trickster. (she thinks shes manipulating the play)

wasn't even a very convincing attempt imo. I recall sore eyeballs from rolling them at the time.

moo

 

[skyedaze]

she will take the 5th....and nothing will happen

To me, that would speak volumes.

 

[k-mac]

He has kept his mouth shut with a few major exceptions.

He apparently told KK everything in detail right down to setting the tote by the green car and losing a tooth and more. Apparently in very minute long winded detail. Odd. And then leaves the location of the body out...

And of course lying to LE and talking to the social worker.

Since then though, zip, nothing.

Jmo.

the problem with deflection is the deflector has a huge narrative to omit and leave out.
in order to cut out her involvement she has to leave out rather large junks of the storyline.....
she knows the whole picture and it must be very hard to know what to use and when to shut up.
she has to make it all roll along.....smoothly. and it aint smooth.

example.
'YOU got a mess to clean up'.
(its a story in a sentence. that indicates not only prior knowledge but accusation from the caller of ownership of the situation.)

she devulges this info. I believe this to be factual wording.

she knows they can't pin her there for the murder so she is a little reckless in sharing this truth.
because the wording says she knows exactly what she has to clean up and the YOU is ownership/partner of the situation. 'ive done my bit the rest is your.. step up.'

moo

 

[skyedaze]

A couple questions that may or may not be answered at the trial.

1) What kind of communication did KK and PF have after she returned to Idaho after the cleanup and burning? She told a friend she was 'done' with PF - were subsequent communications limited to conversations about dealing with the police? Or was she finally 'done' with him after she made her deal and he was arrested?

2) I don't understand how SF can plead the 5th. I thought the 5th was about self-incrimination, not protecting someone else. If that's true, SF pleading the 5th would be an indication that she possesses knowledge or did something that could incriminate her.

Yes. Exactly!

 

[ilovechili]

the problem with deflection is the deflector has a huge narrative to omit and leave out.
in order to cut out her involvement she has to leave out rather large junks of the storyline.....
she knows the whole picture and it must be very hard to know what to use and when to shut up.
she has to make it all roll along.....smoothly. and it aint smooth.

example.
'YOU got a mess to clean up'.
(its a story in a sentence. that indicates not only prior knowledge but accusation from the caller of ownership of the situation.)

she devulges this info. I believe this to be factual wording.

she knows they can't pin her there for the murder so she is a little reckless in sharing this truth.
because the wording says she knows exactly what she has to clean up and the YOU is ownership/partner of the situation. 'ive done my bit the rest is your.. step up.'

moo

I agree. This statement stands out and has all along and to me, in almost direct contrast to the remainder of her "story" which minimizes her guilt/involvement.

Imo.

 

[TxMother67]

"Well, a boy's best friend is his mother." - Norman Bates

Best laugh I've had all day! You always deliver, GordianKnot!

 

[ilovechili]

Exactly. Many times, I've seen men who don't respect their mothers, turn into abusive monsters not only to women, but children and animals as well.

What bothers me is his so called "worry" about his daughter being abused by Kelsey- to which he discussed with his sidekick. The story about the baby burning herself on the curling iron- I mean, really?

Not that it necessarily means anything, but the woman who clearly uses a curling iron is KK, NOT KB--KK is the one with outdated ringlets. I mean KB could to turn her ends under but I somehow doubt it, she has a good up to date cut and lower maintenance hair, it looks like at most she may use a blow dryer and round brush on her ends or do a blow-out.

Would PF even know what such apparatuses were? I somehow doubt ma used a curling iron either.

Jmo.

 

[Seattle1]

Not that it necessarily means anything, but the woman who clearly uses a curling iron is KK, NOT KB--KK is the one with outdated ringlets. I mean KB could to turn her ends under but I somehow doubt it, she has a good up to date cut and lower maintenance hair, it looks like at most she may use a blow dryer and round brush on her ends or do a blow-out.

Would PF even know what such apparatuses were? I somehow doubt ma used a curling iron either.

Jmo.

Actually, I believe KB did in fact share with PF and others her devastation when baby K reached for the cord of hot curling and/or flat iron.

However, it was PF that chose to use this accident against an already broken heart KB.

(I'm sure more than one mother here can attest to similar accident).

Makes me angry to even type this out. Monster.....

MOO

 

[ilovechili]

Actually, I believe KB did in fact share with PF and others her devastation when baby K reached for the cord of hot curling and/or flat iron.

However, it was PF that chose to use this accident against an already broken heart KB.

(I'm sure more than one mother here can attest to similar accident).

Makes me angry to even type this out. Monster.....

MOO

I can see a flat iron. When I hear curling iron, I guess I get a focus that I don't see it. Not sure I remember KB saying anything about it, guess I would have to look back.

Monster, a nice word for this evil man...

 

[MassGuy]

Actually, I believe KB did in fact share with PF and others her devastation when baby K reached for the cord of hot curling and/or flat iron.

However, it was PF that chose to use this accident against an already broken heart KB.

(I'm sure more than one mother here can attest to similar accident).

Makes me angry to even type this out. Monster.....

MOO

I agree. I do think this probably happened, and it was nothing more than an accident.

PF weaponized this in order to attempt to obtain full custody. This clearly failed, as that baby was still left in Kelsey’s care.

Then came plan B.

 

[ilovechili]

Poor KB. So baby accidentally grabs a cord, yet daddy intentionally kills baby's mama with baby present, now that is ABUSE and EVIL.

It is difficult to not have an opinion of exactly what this "man" was like and how he probably knocked any inner strength in KB down.

Jmo.

 

[PommyMommy]

I agree. I do think this probably happened, and it was nothing more than an accident.

PF weaponized this in order to attempt to obtain full custody. This clearly failed, as that baby was still left in Kelsey’s care.

Then came plan B.

If true, CB may be able to testify to that. I think she's going to be a solid witness and the jury will sympathize with her.

It gets a little tiring reading about KK here day in and day out. Wanna talk about Cracker Barrel instead of Sonic, lol?

This is from the amended civil suit linked below.

12. On December 2, 2018, Cheryl-Lee Berreth, on Plaintiffs’ behalf, called Frazee and asked him if everything was “okay”. Frazee responded with “here’s the story…” and proceeded to knowingly and deliberately communicate to Plaintiffs the following false statements, misrepresentations, and/or calculated omissions:

a. Frazee and Kelsey broke up on/or about Thanksgiving Day 2018;
b. Frazee and Kelsey went to Cracker Barrel, “the restaurant Darrell [Berreth] likes,” together on Thanksgiving Day 2018;
c. Kelsey agreed to share with Frazee 50/50 custody of their daughter (hereinafter referred to as “KB”);
d. Thereafter, Kelsey left KB with Frazee while she “figured out what she was going to do”;
e. Kelsey had asked Frazee for her things back, so he gave Kelsey her keys and her gun;
f. On the Sunday following Thanksgiving, November 25, 2018, Frazee and Kelsey had planned to do something together and that he had spoken to her in the morning; and
g. When he later sent a text and she didn’t respond, he figured she had put her phone on do-not-disturb so that she could study, which is something he said that she often did when she was studying or KB was napping.

19. Upon information and belief, during periods relevant to this Amended Complaint and Jury Demand, Frazee also made to others and/or caused to be published to the press or otherwise the following untrue reports, which he knew or showed reckless disregard that they would be heard and/or read by Plaintiffs:

a. Frazee and Kelsey were not engaged;
b. Frazee and Kelsey were broken-up;
c. Frazee and Kelsey agreed to 50/50 custody of KB;
d. Kelsey was not KB’s primary caregiver;
e. Kelsey had “issues” that would warrant Frazee “getting full custody”;
f. Kelsey had been to “rehab”;
g. Kelsey left/abandoned KB in Frazee’s care;
h. Kelsey ran off;
i. Kelsey had run off before;
j. On November 25, 2018, Kelsey texted her employer stating she would not be in to work for a week;
k. On November 25, 2018, Kelsey texted Frazee; and/or
l. On November 25, 2018, Frazee spoke and/or texted with Kelsey; and
m. Frazee returned to Kelsey her keys and her gun that were in his possession.

 

[MassGuy]

If true, CB may be able to testify to that. I think she's going to be a solid witness and the jury will sympathize with her.

It gets a little tiring reading about KK here day in and day out. Wanna talk about Cracker Barrel instead of Sonic, lol?

This is from the amended civil suit linked below.

12. On December 2, 2018, Cheryl-Lee Berreth, on Plaintiffs’ behalf, called Frazee and asked him if everything was “okay”. Frazee responded with “here’s the story…” and proceeded to knowingly and deliberately communicate to Plaintiffs the following false statements, misrepresentations, and/or calculated omissions:

a. Frazee and Kelsey broke up on/or about Thanksgiving Day 2018;
b. Frazee and Kelsey went to Cracker Barrel, “the restaurant Darrell [Berreth] likes,” together on Thanksgiving Day 2018;
c. Kelsey agreed to share with Frazee 50/50 custody of their daughter (hereinafter referred to as “KB”);
d. Thereafter, Kelsey left KB with Frazee while she “figured out what she was going to do”;
e. Kelsey had asked Frazee for her things back, so he gave Kelsey her keys and her gun;
f. On the Sunday following Thanksgiving, November 25, 2018, Frazee and Kelsey had planned to do something together and that he had spoken to her in the morning; and
g. When he later sent a text and she didn’t respond, he figured she had put her phone on do-not-disturb so that she could study, which is something he said that she often did when she was studying or KB was napping.

19. Upon information and belief, during periods relevant to this Amended Complaint and Jury Demand, Frazee also made to others and/or caused to be published to the press or otherwise the following untrue reports, which he knew or showed reckless disregard that they would be heard and/or read by Plaintiffs:

a. Frazee and Kelsey were not engaged;
b. Frazee and Kelsey were broken-up;
c. Frazee and Kelsey agreed to 50/50 custody of KB;
d. Kelsey was not KB’s primary caregiver;
e. Kelsey had “issues” that would warrant Frazee “getting full custody”;
f. Kelsey had been to “rehab”;
g. Kelsey left/abandoned KB in Frazee’s care;
h. Kelsey ran off;
i. Kelsey had run off before;
j. On November 25, 2018, Kelsey texted her employer stating she would not be in to work for a week;
k. On November 25, 2018, Kelsey texted Frazee; and/or
l. On November 25, 2018, Frazee spoke and/or texted with Kelsey; and
m. Frazee returned to Kelsey her keys and her gun that were in his possession.

I forgot about all this. She won’t just be a solid witness, she’s fixing to destroy him.

And BTW, whenever someone says “here’s the story,” what follows is invariably BS.

This man is dumber than I tell people.

 

[ilovechili]

If true, CB may be able to testify to that. I think she's going to be a solid witness and the jury will sympathize with her.

It gets a little tiring reading about KK here day in and day out. Wanna talk about Cracker Barrel instead of Sonic, lol?

This is from the amended civil suit linked below.

12. On December 2, 2018, Cheryl-Lee Berreth, on Plaintiffs’ behalf, called Frazee and asked him if everything was “okay”. Frazee responded with “here’s the story…” and proceeded to knowingly and deliberately communicate to Plaintiffs the following false statements, misrepresentations, and/or calculated omissions:

a. Frazee and Kelsey broke up on/or about Thanksgiving Day 2018;
b. Frazee and Kelsey went to Cracker Barrel, “the restaurant Darrell [Berreth] likes,” together on Thanksgiving Day 2018;
c. Kelsey agreed to share with Frazee 50/50 custody of their daughter (hereinafter referred to as “KB”);
d. Thereafter, Kelsey left KB with Frazee while she “figured out what she was going to do”;
e. Kelsey had asked Frazee for her things back, so he gave Kelsey her keys and her gun;
f. On the Sunday following Thanksgiving, November 25, 2018, Frazee and Kelsey had planned to do something together and that he had spoken to her in the morning; and
g. When he later sent a text and she didn’t respond, he figured she had put her phone on do-not-disturb so that she could study, which is something he said that she often did when she was studying or KB was napping.

19. Upon information and belief, during periods relevant to this Amended Complaint and Jury Demand, Frazee also made to others and/or caused to be published to the press or otherwise the following untrue reports, which he knew or showed reckless disregard that they would be heard and/or read by Plaintiffs:

a. Frazee and Kelsey were not engaged;
b. Frazee and Kelsey were broken-up;
c. Frazee and Kelsey agreed to 50/50 custody of KB;
d. Kelsey was not KB’s primary caregiver;
e. Kelsey had “issues” that would warrant Frazee “getting full custody”;
f. Kelsey had been to “rehab”;
g. Kelsey left/abandoned KB in Frazee’s care;
h. Kelsey ran off;
i. Kelsey had run off before;
j. On November 25, 2018, Kelsey texted her employer stating she would not be in to work for a week;
k. On November 25, 2018, Kelsey texted Frazee; and/or
l. On November 25, 2018, Frazee spoke and/or texted with Kelsey; and
m. Frazee returned to Kelsey her keys and her gun that were in his possession.

BBM. I so agree. I guess people could go back to PF's haircut. I missed that one thank goodness. Same old, same old.

I think come trial, there is going to be even more talk of KK as I doubt PF will take the stand. I sure hope we can all weather it.

It happens.

Good night.

 

[Steelslady]

While we're on the subject of teeth, and I only just watched the 48hrs broadcast this morning, doesn't that pic of him with his ex (blurred out) that ended up in prison give you the creeps, all those teeth and that weird smile? Eeek! I hate that pic

I hate to say it, but I can't stand to see any photos of him- they all creep me out, knowing what he did and how he did it. But yes, that one certainly creeps me out as well.

The one that I hate the most and wish that the blasted media would stop posting- is the one with Kelsey and the baby in a photo shoot. I just can't stand that one- he doesn't belong in any photo with Kelsey and his daughter now. That one makes me angry and cringe at the same time.

 

[Steelslady]

That sketch is creepy too!

It is- the entire sketch. The cop missing a leg because of PF just gives me the heebie jeebies. He's got hi Ma's frown.

 

[PommyMommy]

I forgot about all this. She won’t just be a solid witness, she’s fixing to destroy him.

And BTW, whenever someone says “here’s the story,” what follows is invariably BS.

This man is dumber than I tell people.

Yep, looking forward to it.

 

[Steelslady]

the problem with deflection is the deflector has a huge narrative to omit and leave out.
in order to cut out her involvement she has to leave out rather large junks of the storyline.....
she knows the whole picture and it must be very hard to know what to use and when to shut up.
she has to make it all roll along.....smoothly. and it aint smooth.

example.
'YOU got a mess to clean up'.
(its a story in a sentence. that indicates not only prior knowledge but accusation from the caller of ownership of the situation.)

she devulges this info. I believe this to be factual wording.

she knows they can't pin her there for the murder so she is a little reckless in sharing this truth.
because the wording says she knows exactly what she has to clean up and the YOU is ownership/partner of the situation. 'ive done my bit the rest is your.. step up.'

moo

Oh definitely a tag team effort here.

I do wonder, had KK been successful in murdering Kelsey herself, would PF have volunteered to clean up after? I sincerely doubt it- might have been his way of getting rid of two women in one shot- one murdering the other.

Sometimes my mind wanders further than it should, I admit. I have entertained the thought a couple of times that maybe PF wanted KK to murder Kelsey, so that his mother got custody of the baby, and both women would be out of his life. We truly don't know that PF and KK were actually "together" as a couple, know what I mean? Also, I wonder, if out of stupidity, he had KK help him with everything- clean up, burning of the body, bringing Kelsey's phone and other things back home with her- was he trying to set KK up for the fall?

His fingerprints would have been all over Kelsey's home because he went there often to see her and pick up the baby, so his prints being there would be normal. However, KK's- that wouldn't be normal, they weren't friends.

 

[katydid23]

Yup. She pleads the Fifth, and it’s bad for her son. If she tells the truth, it’s probably worse.

I think her memory is going to suddenly fail her.

Lots of “I don’t recall.”

But what if she lies? She could say she didn't smell anything, ignored the bonfire because he was always burning debris so she never paid attention....might say she wasn't sure exactly what time he arrived for dinner on T-giving, she was so busy in the kitchen, etc etc....she didn't know anything about where KB was, just assumed she was visiting her grandmother...