CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #56 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

But what if she lies? She could say she didn't smell anything, ignored the bonfire because he was always burning debris so she never paid attention....might say she wasn't sure exactly what time he arrived for dinner on T-giving, she was so busy in the kitchen, etc etc....she didn't know anything about where KB was, just assumed she was visiting her grandmother...

She could lie, especially about the things that only KK and PF can verify.

She has a degree of plausible deniability, even if we wouldn’t buy her story for a second.

 

[Steelslady]

I agree. I do think this probably happened, and it was nothing more than an accident.

PF weaponized this in order to attempt to obtain full custody. This clearly failed, as that baby was still left in Kelsey’s care.

Then came plan B.

Thanks- I didn't explain myself very well. I didn't mean to imply that it didn't happen- what I am livid about is that a total accident was being used against Kelsey- a weapon, as you put it, to get KK involved by telling her that Kelsey was abusing the baby. As if he was the most attentive father- I remember reading that one of his male friends' wife watched the baby while he "worked". His mother baby sat other times. Is he trying to say that while the baby was in his care, that she never bumped her head on something, fell down and hurt herself while trying to walk or stand up, or didn't try to grab a tool or two from Daddy when he was working? That would be BS.

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks- I didn't explain myself very well. I didn't mean to imply that it didn't happen- what I am livid about is that a total accident was being used against Kelsey- a weapon, as you put it, to get KK involved by telling her that Kelsey was abusing the baby. As if he was the most attentive father- I remember reading that one of his male friends' wife watched the baby while he "worked". His mother baby sat other times. Is he trying to say that while the baby was in his care, that she never bumped her head on something, fell down and hurt herself while trying to walk or stand up, or didn't try to grab a tool or two from Daddy when he was working? That would be BS.

There is nothing that excludes the possibility that it was made up entirely, and I think you could make an argument either way.

What I think all of us agree on, is that he used this to his benefit.

The reason that I lean towards it actually happening, is that it rings true. PF isn’t smart enough to come up with something this believable on his own.

 

[Steelslady]

If true, CB may be able to testify to that. I think she's going to be a solid witness and the jury will sympathize with her.

It gets a little tiring reading about KK here day in and day out. Wanna talk about Cracker Barrel instead of Sonic, lol?

This is from the amended civil suit linked below.

12. On December 2, 2018, Cheryl-Lee Berreth, on Plaintiffs’ behalf, called Frazee and asked him if everything was “okay”. Frazee responded with “here’s the story…” and proceeded to knowingly and deliberately communicate to Plaintiffs the following false statements, misrepresentations, and/or calculated omissions:

a. Frazee and Kelsey broke up on/or about Thanksgiving Day 2018;
b. Frazee and Kelsey went to Cracker Barrel, “the restaurant Darrell [Berreth] likes,” together on Thanksgiving Day 2018;
c. Kelsey agreed to share with Frazee 50/50 custody of their daughter (hereinafter referred to as “KB”);
d. Thereafter, Kelsey left KB with Frazee while she “figured out what she was going to do”;
e. Kelsey had asked Frazee for her things back, so he gave Kelsey her keys and her gun;
f. On the Sunday following Thanksgiving, November 25, 2018, Frazee and Kelsey had planned to do something together and that he had spoken to her in the morning; and
g. When he later sent a text and she didn’t respond, he figured she had put her phone on do-not-disturb so that she could study, which is something he said that she often did when she was studying or KB was napping.

19. Upon information and belief, during periods relevant to this Amended Complaint and Jury Demand, Frazee also made to others and/or caused to be published to the press or otherwise the following untrue reports, which he knew or showed reckless disregard that they would be heard and/or read by Plaintiffs:

a. Frazee and Kelsey were not engaged;
b. Frazee and Kelsey were broken-up;
c. Frazee and Kelsey agreed to 50/50 custody of KB;
d. Kelsey was not KB’s primary caregiver;
e. Kelsey had “issues” that would warrant Frazee “getting full custody”;
f. Kelsey had been to “rehab”;
g. Kelsey left/abandoned KB in Frazee’s care;
h. Kelsey ran off;
i. Kelsey had run off before;
j. On November 25, 2018, Kelsey texted her employer stating she would not be in to work for a week;
k. On November 25, 2018, Kelsey texted Frazee; and/or
l. On November 25, 2018, Frazee spoke and/or texted with Kelsey; and
m. Frazee returned to Kelsey her keys and her gun that were in his possession.

Poms, I understand what you are saying and this is a great topic, too. I think the reason folks are discussing KK and even PF more is because the Berreth's have pretty much avoided the media, bless their hearts. I don't blame them one bit, they deserve privacy and compassion.

I think once Mom, and possibly Dad Berreth and possibly her brother takes the stand as witnesses (not sure if the Dad and brother will, but you never know?), we'll see more talk about them.

As far as the Cracker Barrel story- well, sadly, it's a non-story unfortunately. I wish that Kelsey did at the very least, enjoy one last meal at her Dad's favorite restaurant before this brute attacked her. I don't think she got to enjoy one dar gone thing from Thanksgiving at all as she didn't plan on cooking, thinking she was going to Ma F's home for turkey dinner. She was robbed of her life, of a damn turkey dinner, and most of all, a chance to spend that last holiday with her baby girl in a Thanksgiving setting, over that brute. So heartbreaking on so many levels.

Got to hand it to dumb- (dumber is KK)- he at least tried to pretend to care that the Cracker Barrel restaurant was their destination and acknowledged that it was Kelsey's Dad's favorite restaurant- probably the nicest touch he's ever put on anything. *barf*

 

[susiQ]

I forgot about all this. She won’t just be a solid witness, she’s fixing to destroy him.

And BTW, whenever someone says “here’s the story,” what follows is invariably BS.

This man is dumber than I tell people.

BBM
And that's the kicker! CB will destroy that monster with her sweet, gentle, loving self. She will slay the monster. Light vs. darkness. KK will be forced to reveal her twisted, self centred, evil self and even if the jury doesn't believe every word she utters, in that she has tried to minimize her involvement (it hasn't worked here and it won't work in court), it won't matter! They WILL believe EVERY word that comes from CB. She is genuine. SHE doesn't lie. SHE was granted what SF desired and her son killed for. The prosecution's ACE is CB. (heart emoji)
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[MassGuy]

BBM
And that's the kicker! CB will destroy that monster with her sweet, gentle, loving self. She will slay the monster. Light vs. darkness. KK will be forced to reveal her twisted, self centred, evil self and even if the jury doesn't believe every word she utters, in that she has tried to minimize her involvement (it hasn't worked here and it won't work in court) It won't matter! They WILL believe EVERY word that comes from CB. She is genuine. SHE doesn't lie. SHE was granted what SF desired and her son killed for. The prosecution's ACE is CB. (heart emoji)
ed:sp

Exactly. CB will convince the jury that PF is a manipulative liar, one who was trying to cover up what he did.

KK’s role is to provide the specifics, and answer the questions that the digital and physical evidence cannot.

The jury doesn’t have to believe everything that KK says, but CB’s testimony will help make it more believable.

This guy is a monster.

 

[katydid23]

Actually, I believe KB did in fact share with PF and others her devastation when baby K reached for the cord of hot curling and/or flat iron.

However, it was PF that chose to use this accident against an already broken heart KB.

(I'm sure more than one mother here can attest to similar accident).

Makes me angry to even type this out. Monster.....

MOO

My 3 yr old burned her fingers on a hot curling iron. ....my 13 yr old niece was visiting, and she had no idea her 3 yr old cousin was going to follow her around and be so nosy. We were lucky it wasn't worse, because she didn't grab it, she just reached up on the counter and touched it.

The paediatrician said she has seen some serious burns on the palm of the hands, quite often. It is a very common type of toddler accident.

 

[katydid23]

Oh definitely a tag team effort here.

I do wonder, had KK been successful in murdering Kelsey herself, would PF have volunteered to clean up after? I sincerely doubt it- might have been his way of getting rid of two women in one shot- one murdering the other.

Sometimes my mind wanders further than it should, I admit. I have entertained the thought a couple of times that maybe PF wanted KK to murder Kelsey, so that his mother got custody of the baby, and both women would be out of his life. We truly don't know that PF and KK were actually "together" as a couple, know what I mean? Also, I wonder, if out of stupidity, he had KK help him with everything- clean up, burning of the body, bringing Kelsey's phone and other things back home with her- was he trying to set KK up for the fall?

His fingerprints would have been all over Kelsey's home because he went there often to see her and pick up the baby, so his prints being there would be normal. However, KK's- that wouldn't be normal, they weren't friends.

Oh, I firmly believe that PF would have eventually killed KK, once the heat was off him for his missing girlfriend.

He'd have to---she knew way too much.

 

[PommyMommy]

Poms, I understand what you are saying and this is a great topic, too. I think the reason folks are discussing KK and even PF more is because the Berreth's have pretty much avoided the media, bless their hearts. I don't blame them one bit, they deserve privacy and compassion.

I think once Mom, and possibly Dad Berreth and possibly her brother takes the stand as witnesses (not sure if the Dad and brother will, but you never know?), we'll see more talk about them.

As far as the Cracker Barrel story- well, sadly, it's a non-story unfortunately. I wish that Kelsey did at the very least, enjoy one last meal at her Dad's favorite restaurant before this brute attacked her. I don't think she got to enjoy one dar gone thing from Thanksgiving at all as she didn't plan on cooking, thinking she was going to Ma F's home for turkey dinner. She was robbed of her life, of a damn turkey dinner, and most of all, a chance to spend that last holiday with her baby girl in a Thanksgiving setting, over that brute. So heartbreaking on so many levels.

Got to hand it to dumb- (dumber is KK)- he at least tried to pretend to care that the Cracker Barrel restaurant was their destination and acknowledged that it was Kelsey's Dad's favorite restaurant- probably the nicest touch he's ever put on anything. *barf*

Oh, no worries, Steels. Heck, even the media calls KK the state's star witness. The point I was trying to make is simply that she is not the ONLY witness. It's not unusual - just take a gander at FB - to see people develop unhealthy obsessions with a key player as if they are the one on trial. I just prefer to look at the whole picture.

But, you're right. The Berreth's have taken the high road. If not for the interviews with CB at the beginning of the case and the civil suit, we wouldn't have a clue about her testimony. I'm not sure about KB's Dad but I think there's a good chance her brother will take the stand.

Cracker Barrel just adds to the list of lies that PF told which, for me, is growing increasingly longer as I look back at ALL the potential witnesses... MOO

BBM
And that's the kicker! CB will destroy that monster with her sweet, gentle, loving self. She will slay the monster. Light vs. darkness. KK will be forced to reveal her twisted, self centred, evil self and even if the jury doesn't believe every word she utters, in that she has tried to minimize her involvement (it hasn't worked here and it won't work in court), it won't matter! They WILL believe EVERY word that comes from CB. She is genuine. SHE doesn't lie. SHE was granted what SF desired and her son killed for. The prosecution's ACE is CB. (heart emoji)
ed:sp

Yesssssssssssssssss! ​

 

[ilovechili]

20 days to the thus far scheduled trial.

Into the teens tomorrow.

I imagine there are some really busy lawyers and staff on both sides right now.

And at least a few witnesses and a defendant that may just be starting to sweat...

Jmo.

 

[GordianKnot]

But what if she lies? She could say she didn't smell anything, ignored the bonfire because he was always burning debris so she never paid attention....might say she wasn't sure exactly what time he arrived for dinner on T-giving, she was so busy in the kitchen, etc etc....she didn't know anything about where KB was, just assumed she was visiting her grandmother...

She wasn't the only one there that day to observe PF's comings and goings.

Let's not forget SF2, aka PF's LEO-Bro.

Pleading the 5th and/or repeatedly saying, "I can't recall" probably wouldn't be a great career move on his part.

Then again, Ma F will need help on the franch now that PF's "tied up," to borrow a PF phrase.

Maybe SF2 will choose to quit the force and move back into his old room at the franch.

Decisions, decisions.

JMO.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“She was very, very upset, very distraught. … She had told me … that he had asked her to ‘Take care of his baby mama,’” Stein said, according to CBS News.

“Well I was in shock at first because … who says that? Nobody says that. … So, I was like, 'Wait, what?' And she said, ‘Yeah…he asked me if I would kill the mother of his baby.’”

“She was bawling,” Stein said of the conversation with Lee. “She was crying, she was extremely upset and scared.”

The new interview comes just weeks before Frazee’s murder trial is set to begin on Oct. 28 in Teller County, according to The Denver Post. He has pleaded not guilty to murder and three counts of solicitation of murder in the case.

Frazee’s defense team filed a motion to be able to present Lee as an alternate suspects in the trial; however, the motion was filed after the required deadline, The Colorado Springs Gazette reports.

“Well this is the thing people need to understand. What was I supposed to do?” she asked, adding that she did not know the last names of either Berreth or Frazee at the time of the conversation.

“Of course, I regret it,” she said. “I regret it every day. Oh, my God. I would do anything to have stopped that somehow.”

Stein believes her friend agreed to help Frazee because he threatened to hurt her own family if she didn't, even telling her “little girls come up missing all the time,” she said.

"She had a legitimate fear for her life here," she said.

University of Colorado law professor Aya Gruber told “48 Hours” that the prosecution’s case will likely rely heavily on Lee’s testimony, due to a lack of physical evidence, including the murder weapon or Berreth’s body.

“I think it makes it a much more difficult case,” she said. “The cell phone evidence tells a story. And that’s very helpful. But it can’t tell a full story. ... So, what this case lives and dies on is the testimony of Krystal Lee.”
Patrick Frazee's Mistress Tearfully Revealed Plot To Kill Kelsey Berreth A Month Before Colorado Mom Disappeared, Friend Says

 

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[ilovechili]

“She was very, very upset, very distraught. … She had told me … that he had asked her to ‘Take care of his baby mama,’” Stein said, according to CBS News.

“Well I was in shock at first because … who says that? Nobody says that. … So, I was like, 'Wait, what?' And she said, ‘Yeah…he asked me if I would kill the mother of his baby.’”

“She was bawling,” Stein said of the conversation with Lee. “She was crying, she was extremely upset and scared.”

The new interview comes just weeks before Frazee’s murder trial is set to begin on Oct. 28 in Teller County, according to The Denver Post. He has pleaded not guilty to murder and three counts of solicitation of murder in the case.

Frazee’s defense team filed a motion to be able to present Lee as an alternate suspects in the trial; however, the motion was filed after the required deadline, The Colorado Springs Gazette reports.

“Well this is the thing people need to understand. What was I supposed to do?” she asked, adding that she did not know the last names of either Berreth or Frazee at the time of the conversation.

“Of course, I regret it,” she said. “I regret it every day. Oh, my God. I would do anything to have stopped that somehow.”

Stein believes her friend agreed to help Frazee because he threatened to hurt her own family if she didn't, even telling her “little girls come up missing all the time,” she said.

"She had a legitimate fear for her life here," she said.

University of Colorado law professor Aya Gruber told “48 Hours” that the prosecution’s case will likely rely heavily on Lee’s testimony, due to a lack of physical evidence, including the murder weapon or Berreth’s body.

“I think it makes it a much more difficult case,” she said. “The cell phone evidence tells a story. And that’s very helpful. But it can’t tell a full story. ... So, what this case lives and dies on is the testimony of Krystal Lee.”
Patrick Frazee's Mistress Tearfully Revealed Plot To Kill Kelsey Berreth A Month Before Colorado Mom Disappeared, Friend Says

I have yet to watch this. Have a feeling it would anger me.

It has been covered at length the doubt about her "fear" so I won't add to that statement by the friend and doubt of it.

I also agree with others previously that I in no way believe one of her "besties" did not know who this man was, first and last name and where he lived. I can name every one of my friends' "love of their lives" etc.

I find the "tearfully" a stretch as well.

Jmo though.

 

[susiQ]

20 days to the thus far scheduled trial.

Into the teens tomorrow.

I imagine there are some really busy lawyers and staff on both sides right now.

And at least a few witnesses and a defendant that may just be starting to sweat...

Jmo.

BBM
Ahhh yes!! ESPECIALLY those with KB's blood on their hands, literally and figuratively

 

[susiQ]

Let's not forget SF2, aka PF's LEO-Bro.

Pleading the 5th and/or repeatedly saying, "I can't recall" probably wouldn't be a great career move on his part.

I love that line!!

 

[10ofRods]

While we here on WS may doubt whether certain parties were in "fear" or terrified, the same people may be very plausible on the witness stand when they cry and testify to their fear. Many people are very nervous on the witness stand, it's easy to enact fear on the stand, and the jury will empathize. That's probably a key element in the prosecution's case (that KK's fear makes her sympathetic). Naturally, the defense will try and point out that she acted like a crazy person, not a scared person. Someone obsessed (with PF).

At any rate, if KK's friend ends up testifying about KK's terror and fear and PF's threats, it's going to help lock in a guilty verdict.

As to the other Frazee's, who will likely have to take the 5th, well, the whole family is going to come off as a terrible, cowardly bunch of people. I'd not be looking forward to the trial, if I were them and I'd love to be a fly on the wall in those households the night before the trial starts and then during the trial. I truly hope they can all get through this stressful period without harming/abusing more people.

 

[Noharg]

Oh, I firmly believe that PF would have eventually killed KK, once the heat was off him for his missing girlfriend.

He'd have to---she knew way too much.

I bet the thought and regret that he didn’t runs through his mind while he sits in jail.
JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

I agree. I do think this probably happened, and it was nothing more than an accident.

PF weaponized this in order to attempt to obtain full custody. This clearly failed, as that baby was still left in Kelsey’s care.

Then came plan B.

Yes. I think it's obvious that PF was dreaming up evidence to support his accusation that Kelsey was an unfit parent.

I've seen so many parents do this in custody battles, and it's always the same. They will claim abuse by the other parent and will use every bump, scratch, bruise, or burn and attribute it to that parent. (including those that occurred under their own care.) They will attack the parent's character, claim drug abuse or psychiatric problems, and will use whatever "evidence" they can to support it. They will collect "witnesses" to testify in court.
Basically they will throw out everything they can, hoping something will stick. It's all a game and the child is used as a pawn.

After PF told Kelsey of his plans to fight for custody, he must have realized it wasn't going to be as easy as he thought.

I believe it was at this point he decided his only choice was to get rid of the problem altogether, and that would be the only way to ensure full custody of his daughter.

Too bad he failed miserably.

And it's a tragedy that nothing was done by anyone to stop him.

Imo