CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #56 *ARREST*

[?mysterian?]

“She was very, very upset, very distraught. … She had told me … that he had asked her to ‘Take care of his baby mama,’” Stein said, according to CBS News.

“Well I was in shock at first because … who says that? Nobody says that. … So, I was like, 'Wait, what?' And she said, ‘Yeah…he asked me if I would kill the mother of his baby.’”

“She was bawling,” Stein said of the conversation with Lee. “She was crying, she was extremely upset and scared.”

The new interview comes just weeks before Frazee’s murder trial is set to begin on Oct. 28 in Teller County, according to The Denver Post. He has pleaded not guilty to murder and three counts of solicitation of murder in the case.

Frazee’s defense team filed a motion to be able to present Lee as an alternate suspects in the trial; however, the motion was filed after the required deadline, The Colorado Springs Gazette reports.

“Well this is the thing people need to understand. What was I supposed to do?” she asked, adding that she did not know the last names of either Berreth or Frazee at the time of the conversation.

“Of course, I regret it,” she said. “I regret it every day. Oh, my God. I would do anything to have stopped that somehow.”

Stein believes her friend agreed to help Frazee because he threatened to hurt her own family if she didn't, even telling her “little girls come up missing all the time,” she said.

"She had a legitimate fear for her life here," she said.

University of Colorado law professor Aya Gruber told “48 Hours” that the prosecution’s case will likely rely heavily on Lee’s testimony, due to a lack of physical evidence, including the murder weapon or Berreth’s body.

“I think it makes it a much more difficult case,” she said. “The cell phone evidence tells a story. And that’s very helpful. But it can’t tell a full story. ... So, what this case lives and dies on is the testimony of Krystal Lee.”
Patrick Frazee's Mistress Tearfully Revealed Plot To Kill Kelsey Berreth A Month Before Colorado Mom Disappeared, Friend Says

What she says: "I would do anything to have stopped that somehow."

What she means: " I would do anything, except call the police, or try to find out more information so I could let someone know to try to stop this." IMO.

What a viper pit KB landed in! And there was another one hundreds of miles away she didn't even know about.

 

[?mysterian?]

While we here on WS may doubt whether certain parties were in "fear" or terrified, the same people may be very plausible on the witness stand when they cry and testify to their fear. Many people are very nervous on the witness stand, it's easy to enact fear on the stand, and the jury will empathize. That's probably a key element in the prosecution's case (that KK's fear makes her sympathetic). Naturally, the defense will try and point out that she acted like a crazy person, not a scared person. Someone obsessed (with PF).

At any rate, if KK's friend ends up testifying about KK's terror and fear and PF's threats, it's going to help lock in a guilty verdict.

As to the other Frazee's, who will likely have to take the 5th, well, the whole family is going to come off as a terrible, cowardly bunch of people. I'd not be looking forward to the trial, if I were them and I'd love to be a fly on the wall in those households the night before the trial starts and then during the trial. I truly hope they can all get through this stressful period without harming/abusing more people.

I agree, however, nurses, those in the medical profession, first responders, and LE are trained to not show emotion during certain times as they perform the duties of their jobs. It will be interesting to see(if we're able to) her testimony and how truthful she appears, as well as how she expresses herself. IMO.

ETA: for clarity, KK may or may not express emotion while on the stand, we'll have to wait and see

 

[crhedBngr]

My 3 yr old burned her fingers on a hot curling iron. ....my 13 yr old niece was visiting, and she had no idea her 3 yr old cousin was going to follow her around and be so nosy. We were lucky it wasn't worse, because she didn't grab it, she just reached up on the counter and touched it.

The paediatrician said she has seen some serious burns on the palm of the hands, quite often. It is a very common type of toddler accident.

Yes, adults do their best to keep hot and/or dangerous things away from little fingers and little toes. Unfortunately, we can't be everywhere and accidents do happen.

For PF to accuse KB of intentionally burning little K's fingers is ridiculous.

JMVHO

 

[MassGuy]

Oh, no worries, Steels. Heck, even the media calls KK the state's star witness. The point I was trying to make is simply that she is not the ONLY witness. It's not unusual - just take a gander at FB - to see people develop unhealthy obsessions with a key player as if they are the one on trial. I just prefer to look at the whole picture.

But, you're right. The Berreth's have taken the high road. If not for the interviews with CB at the beginning of the case and the civil suit, we wouldn't have a clue about her testimony. I'm not sure about KB's Dad but I think there's a good chance her brother will take the stand.

Cracker Barrel just adds to the list of lies that PF told which, for me, is growing increasingly longer as I look back at ALL the potential witnesses... MOO

Yesssssssssssssssss! ​

Yeah. One would think that she’s the one on trial. Of course she isn’t, and never will be.

Some people on there are just obsessed with her. He’s staring conviction in the face, and she got what she got.

We don’t have to like it.

 

[PommyMommy]

Yeah. One would think that she’s the one on trial. Of course she isn’t, and never will be.

Some people on there are just obsessed with her. He’s staring conviction in the face, and she got what she got.

We don’t have to like it.

I loathe the woman but PF swung the bat...

What's your famous line? If KK was not involved, if PF...? THAT. MOO

ETA: Found it.

The MassGuy Theorem

If we took KK out of the equation, KB would still be dead.
If we took PF out of the equation, KB would still be alive.

 

[MassGuy]

I loathe the woman but PF swung the bat...

What's your famous line? If KK was not involved, if PF...? THAT. MOO

ETA: Found it.

The MassGuy Theorem

If we took KK out of the equation, KB would still be dead.
If we took PF out of the equation, KB would still be alive.

Yup. And PF had the motive, means, and opportunity to do this.

Motive: Custody

Means: Baseball Bat

Opportunity: The approximately two hour period of time when he told his biggest lie. This was literally caught on tape.

One could argue that KK had a motive here, but she didn’t have the opportunity.

Tough to kill someone when you’re hundreds of miles away.

That’s why he’s on trial for murder, and she got a slap on the wrist.

 

[GordianKnot]

I loathe the woman but PF swung the bat...

What's your famous line? If KK was not involved, if PF...? THAT. MOO

ETA: Found it.

The MassGuy Theorem

If we took KK out of the equation, KB would still be dead.
If we took PF out of the equation, KB would still be alive.

Current Status: Counting the number of characters in the MGT.

Does DA May have a Twitter account?

Asking for a friend.

 

[PommyMommy]

Yup. And PF had the motive, means, and opportunity to do this.

Motive: Custody

Means: Baseball Bat

Opportunity: The approximately two hour period of time when he told his biggest lie. This was literally caught on tape.

One could argue that KK had a motive here, but she didn’t have the opportunity.

Tough to kill someone when you’re hundreds of miles away.

That’s why he’s on trial for murder, and she got a slap on the wrist.

Exackatackally.

I stand firm that KK would never have received the deal she did if there was any doubt whatsoever that she was not in Idaho. This DA is far from stupid. MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

Current Status: Counting the number of characters in the MGT.

Does DA May have a Twitter account?

Asking for a friend.

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[ajaylee]

Oh, I firmly believe that PF would have eventually killed KK, once the heat was off him for his missing girlfriend.

He'd have to---she knew way too much.

I respectfully disagree.

I think he thought that KK was not only besotted with him, she was in too deep herself. There was no way she could implicate him without implicating herself - especially after the 'cleanup' - so she would stay quiet.

Unfortunately for him, she did implicate herself - but got a sweetheart deal compared to what he (hopefully) is facing.

I've sometimes wondered how this would have played out if KK had simply clammed up like PF did and refused to cooperate with LE. Fortunately, she did not.

 

[ajaylee]

What she says: "I would do anything to have stopped that somehow."

What she means: " I would do anything, except call the police, or try to find out more information so I could let someone know to try to stop this." IMO.

What a viper pit KB landed in! And there was another one hundreds of miles away she didn't even know about.

She could have made an anonymous report to LE. If LE had dropped by the franch and chatted with PF and mentioned that they'd had a report that he was trying to murder KB, I think that would have ended it right there. PF would have denied it but PF would have known that he would be the very first to be suspected if something happened. I think at that point he'd have resorted to his fallback plan, trying to get KB declared an unfit mother so he and SF could have sole custody of Baby K.

 

[MassGuy]

I respectfully disagree.

I think he thought that KK was not only besotted with him, she was in too deep herself. There was no way she could implicate him without implicating herself - especially after the 'cleanup' - so she would stay quiet.

Unfortunately for him, she did implicate herself - but got a sweetheart deal compared to what he (hopefully) is facing.

I've sometimes wondered how this would have played out if KK had simply clammed up like PF did and refused to cooperate with LE. Fortunately, she did not.

Yeah. At some point I think he would have cut KK loose, safe with the knowledge that she was in too deep to implicate him.

As for what would have happened if KK refused to cooperate, I think this case would have languished.

That blood in the living room wouldn’t have been discovered, and the case would consist of blood in the bathroom, and incriminating cell phone evidence.

I don’t think there would have been enough to prove murder.

 

[Steelslady]

Oh, no worries, Steels. Heck, even the media calls KK the state's star witness. The point I was trying to make is simply that she is not the ONLY witness. It's not unusual - just take a gander at FB - to see people develop unhealthy obsessions with a key player as if they are the one on trial. I just prefer to look at the whole picture.

But, you're right. The Berreth's have taken the high road. If not for the interviews with CB at the beginning of the case and the civil suit, we wouldn't have a clue about her testimony. I'm not sure about KB's Dad but I think there's a good chance her brother will take the stand.

Cracker Barrel just adds to the list of lies that PF told which, for me, is growing increasingly longer as I look back at ALL the potential witnesses... MOO

Yesssssssssssssssss! ​

One thing I didn't think of- I hope that the prosecutor asks Ma F about their plans for Thanksgiving. Such as, was Kelsey supposed to come over for dinner with Patrick and the baby? Or did Patrick lie to his mother, saying just him and the baby would be coming?

He told CB that him and Kelsey went to the Cracker Barrel, which was absolute nonsense, as LE would have some kind of evidence as to whether they were there or not, even for breakfast, which they clearly did not go out for that morning after being up half the night the night before. I wonder, too, if he tried to tucker Kelsey out that night so that she wouldn't be suspicious of his candle smelling game.

 

[Steelslady]

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That photo again- ggggrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!

 

[PommyMommy]

One thing I didn't think of- I hope that the prosecutor asks Ma F about their plans for Thanksgiving. Such as, was Kelsey supposed to come over for dinner with Patrick and the baby? Or did Patrick lie to his mother, saying just him and the baby would be coming?

He told CB that him and Kelsey went to the Cracker Barrel, which was absolute nonsense, as LE would have some kind of evidence as to whether they were there or not, even for breakfast, which they clearly did not go out for that morning after being up half the night the night before. I wonder, too, if he tried to tucker Kelsey out that night so that she wouldn't be suspicious of his candle smelling game.

Oh, I think SF is definitely going to be asked all about the Thanksgiving plans. Whether she answers or not, is the question.

I don't think KB was welcome at the ranchette and Ma F will likely skirt all around that line of questioning, possibly saying she didn't invite her because she thought they had broken up.

I still wonder about the night before also... Maybe he forgot the bat. More likely though, he knew her family would be contacting her on the holiday. MOO

 

[ilovechili]

That photo again- ggggrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!

I do not disagree. QUIT putting his fake face next to that beautiful mother. I agree with others. Every victim on the news right next to the perp's face. Even worse when it is a child and an abductor/murderer.

With media, I truly do not see the lack of understanding this!

Vent/rant over.

Jmo.

 

[ilovechili]

Oh, I think SF is definitely going to be asked all about the Thanksgiving plans. Whether she answers or not, is the question.

I don't think KB was welcome at the ranchette and Ma F will likely skirt all around that line of questioning, possibly saying she didn't invite her because she thought they had broken up.

I still wonder about the night before also... Maybe he forgot the bat. More likely though, he knew her family would be contacting her on the holiday. MOO

We can agree on this--the night before bothers me greatly. I won't add what I think is possible to it and even with Ma I think they could have let her think she was welcome... Or PF lied and said she was... And in no way was she...

Jmo.

ETA: Bolded by me.

 

[Love Never Fails]

We can agree on this--the night before bothers me greatly. I won't add what I think is possible to it and even with Ma I think they could have let her think she was welcome... Or PF lied and said she was... And in no way was she...

Jmo.

ETA: Bolded by me.

It’s probable that PF invited her to Thanksgiving at the Ranchette and told KB it was about family and all being together for a short time. I am thinking KB agreed, hence the question about the sweet potato casserole. I will stop here as to what I think may have happened next. I await the evidence. Can’t come soon enough.

 

[ilovechili]

It’s probable that PF invited her to Thanksgiving at the Ranchette and told KB it was about family and all being together for a short time. I am thinking KB agreed, hence the question about the sweet potato casserole. I will stop here as to what I think may have happened next. I await the evidence. Can’t come soon enough.

Yep, it is sure what it sounds like doesn't it?

You do not make a sweet potato casserole and only that for your man coming over. She was being played and plotted against by at least one person and maybe more.

Jmo.

 

[Love Never Fails]

If you don’t count weekends, just 14 days to trial. Once the jury is seated, we get to know the evidence for real. Hope jury selection isn’t a circus.