CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #57 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

I wish so bad the trial was going be televised on national TV.

I know. We’ll be lucky to have live Tweets at this point.

This could be painful.

 

[MassGuy]

I was 20/80 this morning whether we'd have surprise guilty plea deal announced... but maybe his defense promised they wouldn't allow how he beat his own cattle with a bat come in to evidence, and he was satisfied to go all the way....#keepmydirtysecrets.

Fortunately, beating cattle with a baseball bat, pales in comparison with what he did to Kelsey.

I wonder if the door might be opened at some point, especially if the defense introduces a character witness to talk about “how gentle he is.”

 

[lindaromas]

May says there’s another statement between the time Berreth went missing & Frazee was arrested that shows Frazee similarly spoke about plans to kill. “We have a missing person that still has not been found,” May says. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

I can't recall the exact date that KB was considered missing so from that date to December 21, 2018 is the time frame PF similarly spoke about plans to kill.

 

[MsArk]

Thanks to everyone who posted tweets! @Seattle1 and @PommyMommy... anyone else I missed as well.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I know. We’ll be lucky to have live Tweets at this point.

This could be painful.

Aghhh!!!!

If I was retired I would take 3 weeks off work and stay with my family that lives in WP.

You're so right......this might be torture with no tweets.

 

[MsArk]

I know. We’ll be lucky to have live Tweets at this point.

This could be painful.

It is going to be brutal without live tweets.

 

[Colorado303]

Obviously this applies example applies to body present for an autopsy but was not aware of this practice before seeing the words "coroner x-ray" today.

Benefits of CT in Forensics
CT imaging in postmortem cases has numerous benefits. It’s good for demonstrating major spinal injuries from severe trauma from a fatal car accident, for example.

“You’d spend hours doing an autopsy and at the end of the day, you still won’t have a good image to show in a judicial proceeding, whether it’s routine or allegations of wrongful death,” Daly said. “You can’t get a really good look at those injuries in autopsy.”

But by spending five minutes at a work station with whole body CT images, you can get a good look at the situation and get evidence a lay person can easily appreciate in court.

Another advantage is that CT images are more palatable to a lay viewer. “It’s somewhat sanitized, there isn’t blood dripping off everything,” Daly said. Ironically, in a murder case, sometimes judges won’t allow presentation of images because the injuries are too disturbing. “It seems contradictory. You beat someone to death and make it look really bad and the judge might throw the evidence out because it’s too gross to show to any lay person,” Daly said.

Imaging is advantageous because it’s noninvasive, which means it’s good for communities where autopsy isn’t widely accepted. For example, in Japan, the Buddhist culture is against autopsy, said Daly. Autopsy isn’t considered favorable by Muslim, Orthodox Jews, or Native Americans either, he said. “In Europe it’s unpopular where scandals have occurred, like where body parts of children in the UK were removed and not returned to the family,” Daly said.

If an autopsy still needs to be done, CT imaging can help narrow down the autopsy scope. A CT might show that a car accident victim who died from head trauma has a normal abdomen and pelvis. If an autopsy is still needed, it can be limited to the head.

Imaging the Deceased: Post-mortem Radiology

Yes, but there isn’t a body or body part for them to scan, except maybe a tooth. If they were trying to identify a tooth’s owner, seems like a dental xray of the tooth (and probably by a dentist) would be the most convincing way to prove a match.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I can't recall the exact date that KB was considered missing so from that date to December 21, 2018 is the time frame PF similarly spoke about plans to kill.

Dec 2nd KB's mom reported to the WPPD that she had not been able to communicate with KB in over a week and requested WPPD conduct a welfare check at her residence. LE was unable to contact KB that day. On Dec 3rd LE forced their way into KB's residence.

 

[MassGuy]

It is going to be brutal without live tweets.

What I hated, was the judge’s reaction to the request. He not only appeared open to it, but showed signs of actually agreeing with the defense.

That doesn’t bode well at all.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

So SF talked to Sells about immunity???

 

[Steelslady]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Judge says he needs additional time to review statements Kelsey Berreth reportedly made to her mother about Sheila Frazee. Judge says he needs more context & notes he had discussions of immunity with Sheila Frazee. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

9:14 AM - 18 Oct 2019

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well now........

 

[MassGuy]

So SF talked to Sells about immunity???

That’s what it appears. It was just a throwaway line in one of the Tweets, but it’s very interesting.

 

[Seattle1]

Yes, but there isn’t a body or body part for them to scan, except maybe a tooth. If they were trying to identify a tooth’s owner, seems like a dental xray of the tooth (and probably by a dentist) would be the most convincing way to prove a match.

Agree. I said x-ray benefits link obviously applied to body present at autopsy, There's also no confirmation what "undisclosed" evidence they're referring to. I didn't think teeth were "undisclosed" evidence but I could be wrong.

 

[Colorado303]

I misread then. I thought they were speaking about Kelsey missing when this happened. I will have to go back and read the tweet.

That was my impression too when I first read it but it’s oddly worded if that’s the case. I’d think the prosecutor would say “missing victim” or “missing body”. Referring to Kelsey simply as a missing person is probably something DA’s office would want to avoid.

I’m reminded of posts a while back saying KK was missing. Perhaps that rumor was born from people leaping to conclusions after hearing inside info that “they can’t find someone”. Even if we don’t know where KK is I’m sure the prosecution does. If the rumor recirculates I’m going on the record now fo say IMO it’s not KK they’re referring to.

Re the comment PF made about killing someone after KB disappeared—if it was a threat towards someone else, would that not have resulted in an additional charge? I’m wondering if that comment was more along the lines of “yeah, I’ve killed before” or “I know how to get someone killed, why would I do it myself”.

 

[Colorado303]

Get your mind out of the gutter!

But yeah, me too.

Me three. Crowded gutter.

 

[Seattle1]

KOAA News5‏Verified account @KOAA
KOAA News5 Retweeted Colette Bordelon

THE LATEST: Pueblo PD preparing to search a home in their investigation into a woman's body dumped at a car wash. https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/pueblo-police-investigating-suspicious-package-at-car-wash …

12:31 PM - 18 Oct 2019

Local home search -- I think this settles any possibility the body could be linked here.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

This was interesting too.

Judge says he needs additional time to review statements Kelsey Berreth reportedly made to her mother about Sheila Frazee. Judge says he needs more context & notes he had discussions of immunity with Sheila Frazee. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee
Sam Kraemer on Twitter

I was wondering if the prosecution would offer immunity to SF, in an effort to compel her to testify. You can’t plead the Fifth if you are not in jeopardy of incriminating yourself. With immunity, that would not be a concern, and you have to answer.

So this statement by the judge is intriguing.

We just had discussions of immunity of a "potential unindicted, future co-conspirator" in the Tallahassee Markel case. ( murder-for-hire case, potentially in-laws involved in the conspiracy).

The wife of Dan Markel was subpoenaed for the trial of the shooter this month, and anything that she said on the stand she had immunity for.

Iirc

It was tracked down that the reason was because she was under subpoena. And since she was under subpoena, she got Limited immunity. That case was in Florida, and every state has difference but it might be something analogous that is going on here with Ma?

Moo

It appeared at the time, that the prosecution was very very tight on the questions that they asked her. I'm sure they were very careful not to give her immunity for something they might go after later?

 

[TristanP]

What I hated, was the judge’s reaction to the request. He not only appeared open to it, but showed signs of actually agreeing with the defense.

That doesn’t bode well at all.

I’m no expert but sometimes it seems like the judge is siding with the defense but what they’re really doing is sealing off one doorway to appeals after another. Hopefully that’s what is happening here.

 

[Seattle1]

That was my impression too when I first read it but it’s oddly worded if that’s the case. I’d think the prosecutor would say “missing victim” or “missing body”. Referring to Kelsey simply as a missing person is probably something DA’s office would want to avoid.

I’m reminded of posts a while back saying KK was missing. Perhaps that rumor was born from people leaping to conclusions after hearing inside info that “they can’t find someone”. Even if we don’t know where KK is I’m sure the prosecution does. If the rumor recirculates I’m going on the record now fo say IMO it’s not KK they’re referring to.

Re the comment PF made about killing someone after KB disappeared—if it was a threat towards someone else, would that not have resulted in an additional charge? I’m wondering if that comment was more along the lines of “yeah, I’ve killed before” or “I know how to get someone killed, why would I do it myself”.

Perhaps another tweet by reporter present may be have presented this statement more clear -- I'll backtrack here. Hold the phone....

 

[Colorado303]

Agree. I said x-ray benefits link obviously applied to body present at autopsy, There's also no confirmation what "undisclosed" evidence they're referring to. I didn't think teeth were "undisclosed" evidence but I could be wrong.

Multiple teeth, some disclosed and others not? It’s just the only body part I’m aware of (other than hair) has been found as evidence. If they found bone fragments (burned or not) would there be any reason to image them?

No clue what it’s about, but eager to find out.