CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #3

[Forager]

What would you consider an indication that you'd be willing to accept as a sign of terror? There seem lots of anecdotal interviews with commuters in the various reports. There was one MSM report during the morning rush hour that mentions, IIRC, a percentage of decrease among the 200,000 plus commuters per day on I 10.

A decent public opinion poll is what's needed - not the sound bites that reporters pull out of people in man-on-the street interviews.

And even those are usually pretty underwhelming, e.g., "Juan Campana works at an appliance business near where many of the shootings occurred. He was surprised to look up and see helicopters on Wednesday. Campana said he's not taking the freeway anymore". (From this Fox News Story by Edmund DeMarche.)

I'm not sure that there isn't a lot of real fear out there - just that I haven't seen real evidence of it. If people are going to make that claim, they should have some basis to. Otherwise, telling people that the populous is scared amounts to self-fulfilling fear mongering.

 

[FindHG]

A decent public opinion poll is what's needed - not the sound bites that reporters pull out of people in man-on-the street interviews.

And even those are usually pretty underwhelming, e.g., "Juan Campana works at an appliance business near where many of the shootings occurred. He was surprised to look up and see helicopters on Wednesday. Campana said he's not taking the freeway anymore". (From this Fox News Story by Edmund DeMarche.)

I'm not sure that there isn't a lot of real fear out there - just that I haven't seen real evidence of it. If people are going to make that claim, they should have some basis to. Otherwise, telling people that they are scared qualifies as self-fulfilling fear mongering.

Maybe you can't put numbers to something intrinsic and they may not mean much if you try?

 

[Forager]

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So far, I haven't seen any indications of terror in Phoenix or NOCO - just reporters, 'experts' and PIO's assumptions that people are scared. Are you guys in Colorado seeing any terror there?

Ok, ok... . The best I'm getting out of this silence is that you don't want to hurt my feeling by disageeing with me. I guess people are more scared that I realized.

 

[Foxfire]

40 mins ago - Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has called for lone wolf attacks in the U.S. and ... Catherine Herridge reported on "Fox and Friends Weekend"..

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/...-urges-lone-wolf-attacks-us-western-countries

Al Qaeda Urges Lone Wolf Attacks on U.S., Western Countries 09/13/2015

Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has called for lone wolf attacks in the U.S. and the West.

In an audio message released Sunday, al-Zawahiri called on Muslims to "harm the countries of the crusader coalition."

"We must now focus on moving the war to the heart of the homes and cities of the crusader West and specifically America," he said.

Fox News chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge reported on "Fox and Friends Weekend" that the 36-minute recording is being reviewed by U.S. intelligence analysts.

Herridge said that al-Zawahiri called for Muslim youth in the West look to the Tsarnaev and Kouachi brothers as examples to follow - these siblings carried out the Boston Marathon bombings and Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris, respectively.

She described it as "a standing order for terror," with no phone call, email or social media message to coordinate an attack.

"These operations are that much harder to disrupt, because there are no communications between them and the "mothership" or the lead organization, in this case Al Qaeda in Yemen or Al Qaeda core in Pakistan," Herridge explained.

<Watch more in Video @ Link>

 

[FindHG]

40 mins ago - Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has called for lone wolf attacks in the U.S. and ... Catherine Herridge reported on "Fox and Friends Weekend"..

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/...-urges-lone-wolf-attacks-us-western-countries

Al Qaeda Urges Lone Wolf Attacks on U.S., Western Countries 09/13/2015

Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has called for lone wolf attacks in the U.S. and the West.

In an audio message released Sunday, al-Zawahiri called on Muslims to "harm the countries of the crusader coalition."

"We must now focus on moving the war to the heart of the homes and cities of the crusader West and specifically America," he said.

Fox News chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge reported on "Fox and Friends Weekend" that the 36-minute recording is being reviewed by U.S. intelligence analysts.

Herridge said that al-Zawahiri called for Muslim youth in the West look to the Tsarnaev and Kouachi brothers as examples to follow - these siblings carried out the Boston Marathon bombings and Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris, respectively.

She described it as "a standing order for terror," with no phone call, email or social media message to coordinate an attack.

"These operations are that much harder to disrupt, because there are no communications between them and the "mothership" or the lead organization, in this case Al Qaeda in Yemen or Al Qaeda core in Pakistan," Herridge explained.

<Watch more in Video @ Link>

It sounds like these 's (is that allowed, as I mean it in the politest way possible?) are heading for a "whose you're daddy" competition in terms of taking credit for any nut striking out and operational limitations, possibly?

Forager, you have me confused. Are you talking to yourself in the post below?

 

[Portabella]

In my opinion, people are less scared here in Northern/Eastern Colorado then they should be. There is very little talk about the shootings actually. They downplay it on the news, if its even on the news at all. I try to remember to worry about it when I head across to Ft. Collins or Greeley, but have to admit, I forget most times. So Terror, no I don't think so.... IMHO

 

[Forager]

40 mins ago - Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has called for lone wolf attacks in the U.S. Catherine Herridge reported on "Fox and Friends Weekend" 09/13/2015

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... al-Zawahiri called for Muslim youth in the West look to the Tsarnaev and Kouachi brothers as examples to follow - these siblings carried out the Boston Marathon bombings and Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris, respectively.

She described it as "a standing order for terror," with no phone call, email or social media message to coordinate an attack.

"These operations are that much harder to disrupt, because there are no communications between them and the "mothership" or the lead organization, in this case Al Qaeda in Yemen or Al Qaeda core in Pakistan," Herridge explained.

It sounds like these 's (is that allowed, as I mean it in the politest way possible?) are heading for a "whose you're daddy" competition in terms of taking credit for any nut striking out and operational limitations, possibly?

Zahwahiri is your grandfather's jihadi, bloviating from a safehouse somewhere. He's trying to stay relevant after having been eclipsed by a younger, nastier, crazier generation who came to the fore during the chaos of the last fourteen years in the Middle-East. I'd be very surprised if any aspiring jihadi crazies in the US are looking to him for inspiration.

 

[margarita25]

rsbm

So far, I haven't seen any indications of terror in Phoenix or NOCO - just reporters, 'experts' and PIO's assumptions that people are scared. Are you guys in Colorado seeing any terror there?

In my opinion, people are less scared here in Northern/Eastern Colorado then they should be. There is very little talk about the shootings actually. They downplay it on the news, if its even on the news at all.

Rsbm

I agree with Portabella on this. There is virtually no discussion around here that I've heard. I bring it up sometimes, and people say, "Oh, is that still going on? I haven't heard anything about that in a while...".

As for me personally, being in close proximity to all of this, I'm still very unsettled and focused on keeping my eyes and ears out at all times. While I realize the possibility of being shot is pretty slim, knock on wood, I am really afraid for everyone on these roads, jmo and it is constantly on my mind. But that is just me because I'm a sleuther, etc and I know what the maps look like (ridiculous), most others do not. I would have to describe my emotion more as paranoia perhaps, not terror (looking at every truck, jumping if I hear a pop)...Honestly, some of my fears I think are accelerated due to PTSD from Jessica Ridgeway and having another killer on the loose in my neighborhood, and all this brings out some of those old feelings I am constantly trying to work past. JMO

I have mentioned since thread 1 that I refuse to live in fear by altering my routes, etc, bc that is exactly what the intention of the shooter(s) is/are, to create terror. I almost didn't even start this thread bc I did not want to give the shooter(s) the satisfaction of bringing the attention to his crimes, that he/they undoubtedly seek.

 

[Foxfire]

Zahwahiri is your grandfather's jihadi, bloviating from a safehouse somewhere. He's trying to stay relevant after having been eclipsed by a younger, nastier, crazier generation who came to the fore during the chaos of the last fourteen years in the Middle-East. I'd be very surprised if any aspiring jihadi crazies in the US are looking to him for inspiration.

Interesting, Forager.. I'm not sure who they are taking their marching orders from.. Last night on the Kelly file, I watched the interview of the 3 American heroes; Anthony Sadler, Spencer Stone, and Alek Skarlatos, from the french train incident from two weeks ago. Thought it ironic that Spencer Stone's nickname, even before the jihadist lone wolf's take down, was 'Captain America'..

http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech...g-Encryption-Recruit-Americans-Order-Killings

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2015

FBI Director: ISIS Is Relying on Encryption to Recruit Americans and Order Killings
&#8220;This is not your grandfather&#8217;s al-Qaida,&#8221; Comey told the Senate Judiciary Committee. &#8220;There&#8217;s a device, almost a devil on their shoulder all day long saying, &#8216;Kill, kill, kill, kill.&#8217;&#8221;

 

[margarita25]

Lol, I just went to thedenverchannel and saw this link; seems to flow with our conversation...

Terrified of terrorism
Ohio professor challenges War on Terror
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/decodedc/terrified-of-terrorism

 

[Forager]

Zahwahiri is your grandfather's jihadi, bloviating from a safehouse somewhere.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech...g-Encryption-Recruit-Americans-Order-Killings SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2015

FBI Director: ISIS Is Relying on Encryption to Recruit Americans and Order Killings
“This is not your grandfather’s al-Qaida,” Comey told the Senate Judiciary Committee. “There’s a device, almost a devil on their shoulder all day long saying, ‘Kill, kill, kill, kill.’”

Great minds drinking alike is all that was.

 

[SugarQueen]

Wow! Kudos to AZ for taking this all so seriously. Still waiting for NOCO to get a clue. SMH

 

[SugarQueen]

Great minds drinking alike is all that was.

And just how much have you great minds been DRINKING?!! Lol

 

[Hatfield]

What would you consider an indication that you'd be willing to accept as a sign of terror? There seem lots of anecdotal interviews with commuters in the various reports. There was one MSM report during the morning rush hour that mentions, IIRC, a percentage of decrease among the 200,000 plus commuters per day on I 10.

Catching up and read back through some good discussions.

I think the bottom line is everyone reacts differently to these types of situations with some experiencing more anxiety than others. The good thing with people such as ourselves is we are taking steps to inform ourselves.

Having knowledge of what is going on is a huge advantage. At least we are now aware and more observant than most. The innocent naive person that is ignorant of what is going on is more likely to be the next victim of something like this.

We are more informed and we can take common sense steps that help us not be the next target. For example if there is a box truck beside us up ahead on the highway, we don't have to pull up alongside them or pass them. We can slow and stay behind them and get cars between us and the box truck. Little things like that we are probably doing without realizing it because its a natural reaction because we are now informed and aware of our surroundings. Or if we do have to pass a box truck, then we do it as quick and safely as we can and then stay ahead of them and get cars between us and them and keep an eye on the truck.

Or take the same action with any other vehicle that looks a little out of the ordinary or passengers behaving strangely.

Little things but simple common sense things that we are doing because we are now aware.

The good news is like one article said is the odds are still so minimal that we should be fine and not have to worry too much. With that said, we dont want to do things that increase our odds. Its tough with these cases because they are so random but there are things we are learning and the more we learn the more we can do without inconveniencing ourselves too much.

 

[Forager]

Catching up and read back through some good discussions.

I think the bottom line is everyone reacts differently to these types of situations with some experiencing more anxiety than others. The good thing with people such as ourselves is we are taking steps to inform ourselves... .

We are more informed and we can take common sense steps that help us not be the next target. For example if there is a box truck beside us up ahead on the highway, we don't have to pull up alongside them or pass them. We can slow and stay behind them and get cars between us and the box truck. Little things like that we are probably doing without realizing it because its a natural reaction because we are now informed and aware of our surroundings. Or if we do have to pass a box truck, then we do it as quick and safely as we can and then stay ahead of them and get cars between us and them and keep an eye on the truck.

< abridged with respect, for focus >

Good advice, and makes a lot of sence. But I don't undertand the reason for being leary of box trucks. Help me with that?

 

[Forager]

I agree with Portabella on this. There is virtually no discussion around here that I've heard. I bring it up sometimes, and people say, "Oh, is that still going on? I haven't heard anything about that in a while...".

As for me personally, being in close proximity to all of this, I'm still very unsettled and focused on keeping my eyes and ears out at all times. While I realize the possibility of being shot is pretty slim, knock on wood, I am really afraid for everyone on these roads, jmo and it is constantly on my mind. But that is just me because I'm a sleuther, etc and I know what the maps look like (ridiculous), most others do not. I would have to describe my emotion more as paranoia perhaps, not terror (looking at every truck, jumping if I hear a pop)...Honestly, some of my fears I think are accelerated due to PTSD from Jessica Ridgeway and having another killer on the loose in my neighborhood, and all this brings out some of those old feelings I am constantly trying to work past. JMO

I have mentioned since thread 1 that I refuse to live in fear by altering my routes, etc, bc that is exactly what the intention of the shooter(s) is/are, to create terror. I almost didn't even start this thread bc I did not want to give the shooter(s) the satisfaction of bringing the attention to his crimes, that he/they undoubtedly seek.

Thanks you for that good response to my question about fear levels out there, Margarita. I would have offered those thanks earlier, but I went into a dither when I saw Foxfire's post pointing out that I'd plagerized the a Federal law enforcement official with the power to have me renditioned to a Bulgarian black ops site. So I never made it down to your post until just now.

I'm sorry for the angst you are going thru, and wish there were something I could do to help. I know you can't just talk or think it away, but not giving the shooter the satisfaction sounds like a good start.

 

[Forager]

I'm trying to rethink my understanding of highway window shatterings in light of some of the things we have learned thru the Phoenix I-10 case. Based on what I'd seen and heard in following the NOCO and similar cases, and in reading interviews of window repair people, I was of the belief that road debris sometimes cracked windshields, but only very rarely shattered side or back windows.

On Saturday, however, there were four reports of window shatterings along I-10, three of them involving side windows. According to a story by Danielle Miller on Saturday 9/12/15 for Fox 10 Phoenix, the city's DPS attributed all four to road debris. The story gave no explanation of how DPS came to this conclusion, but I've been impressed with Phoenix DPS' candor so far, and can't think why they would mislead us about these Saturday incidents.

Have I misunderstood the relative fequency of windshield and side window shatterings? Was the ratio seen on Saturday a fluke? I don't know what to think.

 

[FindHG]

I'm trying to rethink my understanding of highway window shatterings in light of some of the things we have learned thru the Phoenix I-10 case. Based on what I'd seen and heard in following the NOCO and similar cases, and in reading interviews of window repair people, I was of the belief that road debris sometimes cracked windshields, but only very rarely shattered side or back windows.

On Saturday, however, there were four reports of window shatterings along I-10, three of them involving side windows. According to a story by Danielle Miller on Saturday 9/12/15 for Fox 10 Phoenix, the city's DPS attributed all four to road debris. The story gave no explanation of how DPS came to this conclusion, but I've been impressed with Phoenix DPS' candor so far, and can't think why they would mislead us about these Saturday incidents.

Have I misunderstood the relative fequency of windshield and side window shatterings? Was the ratio seen on Saturday a fluke? I don't know what to think.

Could some of the shatterings possibly linked the the copycats they've just arrested, in terms of where they had been active?

 

[Hatfield]

Good advice, and makes a lot of sence. But I don't undertand the reason for being leary of box trucks. Help me with that?

I was using box trucks as an example at first mainly because I am trying to think of a type of vehicle where someone could be hiding in back and shooting through a hole in the wall of the truck without being seen. I added this after that and I probably should have just stuck with
("ANY vehicle that looks a little out of the ordinary or passengers behaving strangely").

Because you are right that we don't really know what type of vehicle the shooter(s) will be in and there could be multiple shooters involved which could mean different types of vehicles.

It has always struck me so strange that hardly anybody notices where the shots are coming from so I tend to think more along the lines of some type of vehicle where the shooter is hidden very well and shooting out the wall of the vehicle. Or maybe through the trunk like in the DC sniper case. The DC sniper rig was really devious in the way they drilled a hole through the trunk and had the shooter in the trunk shooting out a hole.

 

[Hatfield]

It seems like it is an easy scapegoat for LE to just declare "Road Debris" is the cause of any incidents where they have not been able to determine anything else. That is so not fair and they owe the public more than just saying that if any are truly road debris. Like they could say they found the piece of wood laying in the road near where the car window was shattered if road debris is suspected.
I would prefer LE to just say they don't know what caused it rather than always assuming road debris.

Due to the sheer numbers of incidents in NOCO, I do think investigators need to consider and do more investigation into possibilities like maybe bad Auto Glass was shipped in a certain year OR maybe there is some sort of default with power window mechanisms.

I have found examples where a certain make and model had window shattering incidents due to faulty equipment or bad glass. Links below.

But LE needs to do that sort of investigation if something like that is causing some of these in NOCO.

They should not just be declaring "Road Debris" without providing evidence of that. I would much prefer them to say they just don't know what caused them. They need to be honest with public and do more homework on these incidents.

http://www.fordproblems.com/trends/exploding-windows/

http://www.odyclub.com/forums/9-problems-concerns/972-anyone-s-sliding-door-window-shattering.html

ETA-The makes and models of vehicles involved are pretty random but if a faulty part in the window raising mechanism is shared by different manufactures, it could still be some sort of faulty part that affects multiple makes and models.

Just think of all the recalls we have had like the Air Bag recall that affected many different makes and models because a lot of them used the same manufacturer.