CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #3

[SugarQueen]

I had no idea a bullet or projectile got that hot!! I'm getting quite an education in here. Thanks !

 

[Foxfire]

I had no idea a bullet or projectile got that hot!! I'm getting quite an education in here. Thanks !

Me too, SugarQueen.. Anyone who concludes that a rear window shattering on a vehicle travelling at 65 mph is caused by road debris may need a refresher course in road debris hazards 101.. ' That ain't caused by no rock, maybe a Rock-et'..
Many of the roads where I live in rural north GA are gravel roads. I have traveled them for decades and have never known of a car's side or rear window being shattered by rocks or other road debris..

 

[Forager]

The metal ball being " melted" into the plastic is odd. My first thought was slingshots use one inch metal balls, but how would it be hot enough to melt plastic? Yet you could still fire it? Someone walking around with a musket?? Lol
Any idea what it could be foxfire?? Anyone??

Imo, this would indicate that the bullet/projectile was likely fired from a rifle or shotgun. I did a little research on several gun and ballistics forums/blogs and came up with an approximate temperature of a bullet fired 100' from a long barreled gun: over 500 degrees F.. jmo

Guess it would depend on the range, the muzzle velocity, the barrel length, and many other variables in Pamela Wooten's rear window shattering of her pickup truck<AZ>.. I think the 1st law of thermodynamics indicates that the kinetic energy of the bullet's velocity turns into heat upon impact.. So the bullet/projectile would be hotter at impact than while flying through the air. There is also heat caused by the powder ignition and friction by the bullet as it passes through the gun barrel.

SugarQueen, the 1" size of the black metal ball/projectile is also interesting. How would this have been missed if a proper investigation had been conducted? Imo, this is a perfect example of why so many of the NOCO I-25 car window shatterings were deemed to be caused by side winding road debris..

It's like debris vue all over again!

I'm wondering if that driver might not have overestimated the measurement on the "one-inch black metal ball" that "appears to be burned into the plastic next to the floorboard... embedded so deeply she cannot get it out... ." A one inch ball is huge as ammunition goes. A .45 cal bullet is .45 inches across. Musket balls didn't get much bigger than .7 inches. Any gun that could shoot a 1 inch ball would make a hell of a bang and probably break the shooter's shoulder.

My assumption on the NOCO window shatterings is that a pellet or BB is being used in a way that it hits the window with just enough force to initiate a fracture, but not push thru into the car. I'm picturing it bouncing off the window, never to be found. I wonder if the shooter in this incident were not going for the same effect with the metal ball, but got the forces and angles wrong and had his ball end up in the car instead of on the road. I wish we had a way to do tests of this kind of thing.

Here, again, is the Fox 10 article by Lynda Williams that Foxfire has posted earlier that talks about the black metal ball.

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.wwmt.com/news/features/t...er-shooting-BB-gun-at-school-bus-205898.shtml

Juvenile in custody after shooting BB gun at school bus
Updated: Wed, Sep 16 2015

KALAMAZOO, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - The Kalamazoo Department of Public Safety is investigating after a juvenile reportedly shot a BB gun at a school bus Wednesday afternoon.

It happened on Lilac Lane near the Village Apartments.

We're told no one was hurt, but if you take a look, you can still see some of the damage, as the bus shelter off of Lilac Lane was also hit by that BB gun.

It all happened around 2:30 Wednesday afternoon. We're told by police that a Kalamazoo school bus was dropping students off at the Village Apartments when a juvenile started shooting a BB gun at a school bus full of children.

The shooter also hit several bus shelters at the apartment complex.

Public safety tells us, no one was hurt, and they are now contacting parents to let them know what happened. We spoke with parents and students here, and they are shaken up.

"Just seems really crazy that nobody is safe anymore to go to school or the ride the bus home," said Sabrina Ballew, who lives at the apartment complex.

"Just a regular school bus," parent Debbie Ballew described. "It looked like somebody went and shattered the back window of that school bus."

KDPS now reports that a juvenile is in custody as they investigate.

 

[searchinGirl]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28825311/northern-colorado-shooting-task-force-hold-media-briefing

So...maybe we will get some answers...

 

[Forager]

The Phoenix I-10 shootings have prompted another article about highway shootings in general. This one was by a group focused on gun control. Like a couple of other articles I've seen recently, it boils down to a string of quick summaries of high profile highway shootings series over the past decade. It doesn't do much to draw them together other than to claim that they are on the increase over the last couple of decades. It misses a lot of recent extended series (esp. the Calhoun County, MI, the Henry County, IL, and Rochester NY '14 series) and one day sprees (eg. the Ali Sayed and the John Zawahri sprees in southern California in '13), and doesn't address what I've argued is a large increase in highway shootings in 2015.

Serial Roadway Shootings Happen More Often Than You Think
BY JENNIFER MASCIA· September 16, 2015, in The Trace ("an independent, nonprofit news organization dedicated to expanding coverage of guns in the United States.")

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Another article reviews past serial shootings in Phoenix. It mentions one that I'd never heard of before from the early '90's:.

"At least four people were killed in a spate of shootings on Phoenix freeways in the early 1990s, according to a retired Arizona Department of Public Safety officer. The shooter (or shooters) was never caught. The shootings seemed to just stop, the former officer said."

Phoenix's terrifying history of serial shooters
BY JAMES KING VOCATIV Updated: Monday, September 14, 2015, 2:46 PM

 

[kai]

Just a reminder about the 11am Colorado media briefing today. I am not sure if local stations will stream it, but I will post a link if I do find one.

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[kai]

http://www.9news.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/17/task-force-offers-reward-for-information/32559627/

Lots of new information at that article. I'm on my phone so can't bring it over. Well worth the read! Additional information about prior shootings and also additional shootings are in the article.

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[searchinGirl]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ce-checking-2-new-shootings-increasing-reward

At this link it's says there were two buildings damaged by gunfire on Sunday...a medical building with workers inside and an elementary school...the task force is investigating these but at this time don't think they are connected...officially, only the shootings of CR and JJ are connected by ballistics...they believe the shootings in Loveland on Jun 3 are connected to each other but won't say if connected to the other two...they don't believe any of the highway window shatterings are connected to anything but as usual say that they have no evidence to link them...also, the FBI has upped the reward to $50K...that's significant...

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.9news.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/17/task-force-offers-reward-for-information/32559627/

Lots of new information at that article. I'm on my phone so can't bring it over. Well worth the read! Additional information about prior shootings and also additional shootings are in the article.

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'Can't believe that the Colorado Bureau of Investigations are just now joining the NOCO Sniper Task Force'.. WTH?

Northern Colorado shooting task force checking 2 new shootings, increasing reward
Deb Stanley, TheDenverChannel.com Team
11:19 AM, Sep 17, 2015
1 min ago

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ce-checking-2-new-shootings-increasing-reward

<Snipped & BBM> <RE: "Task force investigators have followed up on the information you provided". - How would the tipster know who specifically they were directing this statement to since hundreds of tips had been submitted?>
___________________

"Task force investigators have followed up on the information you provided, however more information is needed," a task force news release said. "You are encouraged to contact the task force again, by any method you are comfortable with, and give specific details to support why you believe what you have already reported is accurate."

Officials also announced the task force is being expanded to include investigators with the Greeley Police Department, Fort Collins Police Department, and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation.

<read more>

 

[searchinGirl]

I believe the message they sent to the anonymous tipster was referencing a tip submitted on August 17...

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ce-checking-2-new-shootings-increasing-reward

At this link it's says there were two buildings damaged by gunfire on Sunday...a medical building with workers inside and an elementary school...the task force is investigating these but at this time don't think they are connected...officially, only the shootings of CR and JJ are connected by ballistics...they believe the shootings in Loveland on Jun 3 are connected to each other but won't say if connected to the other two...they don't believe any of the highway window shatterings are connected to anything but as usual say that they have no evidence to link them...also, the FBI has upped the reward to $50K...that's significant...

Coincidental that the reward was raised to $50,000.00 at virtually the same time that the AZ I-10 Sniper Task Force raised their reward to the identical amount...
An Elementary School and occupied Medical Building damaged by gunfire is very concerning, imo. Could this be a precursor of possible things to come? ..a taunt?
Doesn't the news of the motorcyclist being shot at on June3, make the 2nd person shot at on a motorcycle, as she rode with her husband through the Garden of the Gods park on a motorcycle in late August 2015?

 

[searchinGirl]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...force-provide-update-thursday?source=infinite

Here is the Denver Post coverage of the news conference this morning....only one comment so far but very interesting read...an amateur profiler describing a potential suspect...can't help wondering as I read ...just who is this person describing???...I'd be interested in what anyone else might think about it?

 

[Forager]

Coincidental that the reward was raised to $50,000.00 at virtually the same time that the AZ I-10 Sniper Task Force raised their reward to the identical amount...
An Elementary School and occupied Medical Building damaged by gunfire is very concerning, imo. Could this be a precursor of possible things to come? ..a taunt?
Doesn't the news of the motorcyclist being shot at on June3, make the 2nd person shot at on a motorcycle, as she rode with her husband through the Garden of the Gods park on a motorcycle in late August 2015?

The Task Force spoke today of a motorcyclist at whom a shot was taken on July 3rd on Denver Drive and East 18th. I wondered at first if this was a new incident, but I beleive that we were already aware of it. I had it on the map as "Shot fired at, but missed, an unnamed person on the night of 6/3/15 at Denver Ave and East Eisenhower Boulevard in Loveland." (That was the same night that William Connole was killed). It was news to me that the target was driving a motorcycle, and the location given today was a quarter of a mile north of the location initially reported, but it has to be the same person. The newer, more precise location is right where the Task Force conducted its 6/25/15 search.

 

[Forager]

Reward for suspicious Northern Colorado shootings upped to $50,000
BY NFN ON SEPTEMBER 17, 2015

"The task force also continues to monitor other seemingly random shooting incidents in the U.S. To date, there is no indication that any of those incidents are related to the cases under investigation by the Northern Colorado Shooting Task Force."

I'm going to take that for a bit of acknowledgement of our analysis. Better than nothing. We can't point to any relation between the Colorado shooting and the surge in highway shootings nationally either.

 

[Foxfire]

Reward for suspicious Northern Colorado shootings upped to $50,000
BY NFN ON SEPTEMBER 17, 2015

"The task force also continues to monitor other seemingly random shooting incidents in the U.S. To date, there is no indication that any of those incidents are related to the cases under investigation by the Northern Colorado Shooting Task Force."

I'm going to take that for a bit of acknowledgement of our analysis. Better than nothing. We can't point to any relation between the Colorado shooting and the surge in highway shootings nationally either.

<BBM for Focus>

'Except that the NOCO Sniper/Shooter is included in the 3 Highway Shooters currently active in the USA; AZ, MI, and CO'.
I can't remember 3 Highway snipers/shooters being active at the same time in 3 different states in my lifetime.. The CO shooter has at least one connected casualty and one gunshot injury . There was also one gunshot injury victim by Mohammad Whitaker, in the 03 & 04/2014 KC Highway Sniper shootings. Whitaker is awaiting trial and there has been no motive released publicly.

Imo, there has to be a suspected connection/common denominator in the rash of known highway shootings nationwide.. Otherwise, there would not be a plausible explanation that I can think of for the NOCO Sniper Task Force withholding information as to the names of agencies involved in the investigation. Imo, the likely unknown agency involved are Homeland Security and the FBI Counter-Terrorism Unit.. jmo

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism_jttfs

They are the FBI&#8217;s Joint Terrorism Task Forces, or JTTFs.

The task forces are based in 104 cities nationwide, including at least one in each of our 56 field offices. A total of 71 of these JTTFs have been created since 9/11/2001..
<snipped>

 

[Forager]

Reward for suspicious Northern Colorado shootings upped to $50,000 BY NFN ON SEPTEMBER 17, 2015

"The task force also continues to monitor other seemingly random shooting incidents in the U.S. To date, there is no indication that any of those incidents are related to the cases under investigation by the Northern Colorado Shooting Task Force."

I'm going to take that for a bit of acknowledgement of our analysis. Better than nothing. We can't point to any relation between the Colorado shooting and the surge in highway shootings nationally either.

'Except that the NOCO Sniper/Shooter is included in the 3 Highway Shooters currently active in the USA; AZ, MI, and CO'.
I can't remember 3 Highway snipers/shooters being active at the same time in 3 different states in my lifetime.. The CO shooter has at least one connected casualty and one gunshot injury . There was also one gunshot injury victim by Mohammad Whitaker, in the 03 & 04/2014 KC Highway Sniper shootings. Whitaker is awaiting trial and there has been no motive released publicly.

Imo, there has to be a suspected connection/common denominator in the rash of known highway shootings nationwide.. Otherwise, there would not be a plausible explanation that I can think of for the NOCO Sniper Task Force withholding information as to the names of agencies involved in the investigation. Imo, the likely unknown agency involved are Homeland Security and the FBI Counter-Terrorism Unit.. jmo

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investi...errorism_jttfs

They are the FBI&#8217;s Joint Terrorism Task Forces, or JTTFs. The task forces are based in 104 cities nationwide, including at least one in each of our 56 field offices. A total of 71 of these JTTFs have been created since 9/11/2001... .

I don't disagree. I'm not saying that there isn't any smoke there, just that we can't yet point to any particular fire. Several, of course, have been suggested on thread and elsewhere:

• recreational violence addicts (a la Hausner / Dieteman of the 2005-2006 Phoenix, AZ highway shootings),
• paranoid delusionals (a la Raulie Casteel of the 2012 MI highway shootings),
• video gamers migrating to reality (precidents?),
• Islamist terrorists (a la Mohammad Abdulazeez of the 2015 Chattanooga, TN recruiting center shootings),
• idealogues / cranks (a la John Russell Houser of the 2015 Batton Rouge, TN theatre shootings),
• paramilitary training (precidents?),
• cultural or mental health trends,
• the Coming of the Appoclypse,
• Other?

None sound likely, I'll grant, but the alternative - a huge but coincidental rise this year in highway shootings nationally - is statisticaly demonstrably unlikely.

 

[Forager]

I don't disagree. I'm not saying that there isn't any smoke there, just that we can't yet point to any particular fire. Several, of course, have been suggested on thread and elsewhere:

• recreational violence addicts (a la Hausner / Dieteman of the 2005-2006 Phoenix, AZ highway shootings),
• paranoid delusionals (a la Raulie Casteel of the 2012 MI highway shootings),
• video gamers migrating to reality (precidents?),
• Islamist terrorists (a la Mohammad Abdulazeez of the 2015 Chattanooga, TN recruiting center shootings),
• idealogues / cranks (a la John Russell Houser of the 2015 Batton Rouge, TN theatre shootings),
• paramilitary training (precidents?),
• cultural or mental health trends,
• the Coming of the Appoclypse,
• Other?

None sound likely, I'll grant, but the alternative - a huge but coincidental rise this year in highway shootings nationally - is statisticaly demonstrably unlikely.

Apologies. I screwed up that post. I'd started it meaning to try to tick thru common themes that might lie behind some of the rash of random highway shootings that we've been seeing this year. But pretty soon I was listing every motivation I could think of, whether they could help explain the national rash or not.

In retrospect, I should have stuck with themes or motivations susceptible to quick changes. For that reason, I probably should have left mental health themes out. While these crimes probably all involve metal problems, one way or another, we wouldn't expect changes in the occurrence of mental illness to roll thru the population quickly enough to cause the fast increases we have seen.

I do think that we have to be looking for something organized and conspiratorial, or something 'viral' that is spreading itself undirected. But I think that the risk of either would be enough to get anti-terrorist agencies involved, no? They wouldn't wait for evidence of terrorist activity to come in on the cases, would they?

 

[margarita25]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ce-checking-2-new-shootings-increasing-reward

At this link it's says there were two buildings damaged by gunfire on Sunday...a medical building with workers inside and an elementary school...the task force is investigating these but at this time don't think they are connected...officially, only the shootings of CR and JJ are connected by ballistics...they believe the shootings in Loveland on Jun 3 are connected to each other but won't say if connected to the other two...they don't believe any of the highway window shatterings are connected to anything but as usual say that they have no evidence to link them...also, the FBI has upped the reward to $50K...that's significant...

Thanks for the updates everyone and for keeping this thread active.

From the above link:

"Task Force investigation

Moore said the task force has processed more than 340,385 cell phone numbers, followed more than 2,550 leads, and conducted over 500 interviews.

They are still looking for an orange pickup truck that they believe is connected to the June 3rd shootings in Loveland.

Moore said task force investigators have followed up on 748 vehicles and looked at over 100 videos from businesses.

Ten persons of interest have been identified and cleared by the task force."

 

[margarita25]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ce-checking-2-new-shootings-increasing-reward

At this link it's says there were two buildings damaged by gunfire on Sunday...a medical building with workers inside and an elementary school...the task force is investigating these but at this time don't think they are connected...officially, only the shootings of CR and JJ are connected by ballistics...they believe the shootings in Loveland on Jun 3 are connected to each other but won't say if connected to the other two...they don't believe any of the highway window shatterings are connected to anything but as usual say that they have no evidence to link them...also, the FBI has upped the reward to $50K...that's significant...

Some photos from this link for reference: