GUILTY CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge *Arrest* #4

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  • #441
Hatfield said:
Matching a bullet is much much harder than matching a shell casing.

The reason is with a shell casing all they have to do is put it in a forensic microscope and compare the firing pin marks on the casing. They can usually tell right away.

With a bullet however first off the bullet is usually deformed or just a part of the bullet. It is usually crushed by the impact of whatever it hit. Lead bullets are very soft and deform easily upon impact.

So LE has to match in much harder ways. One way is taking scrapings and disolving in a solution liquid and then getting the chemical compound makeup of the bullet. Can take weeks or more to do that.

LE seldom has an intact bullet that has not been deformed . Especially from both shooting sites they are trying to compare. So they usualy have to resort to the long chemical compound testing.

The other way they can do it is if there is enough of the bullet left to see the markings the barrel made on the bullet as it traveled through the barrel. They can then use microscope to compare the markings.

At the gun range when I look at the dirt mound for the bullets I usually see totally deformed pieces of lead. And the bullet sometimes doesnt stay in one piece. Pieces break off sometimes.


Side note:
Kinda gruesome but that is why bullets are made of mostly lead is because you want the bullet to deform and expand into a larger diameter so that when it goes through a person or animal it causes maximum damage. The whole "clean kill" thing. Remember bullets are typically designed and meant to kill something. Or at least originally were designed for that. Target practice bullets sometimes have different metals so it varies a lot on how much they expand.
Copper jacketed, hollow points, solid lead round nose, etc. Many types of bullets nowadays.
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Marking my spot!!

:offtobed:

I hope it's not another spree too. Activity could lead to an arrest, hopefully nobody gets hurt...potential evidence, plus, they supposedly always slip up, right?

Re: our discussions related to ISIS, etc, maybe the recent election set him off? Just a thought. Again, this could be road rage. (Could that potentially be the new name for Road Debris when a bullet is found? Just wondering...)

WHO KILLED JOHN JACOBY???

WHO KILLED WILLIAM "BILL" CONNOLE??
 
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"SUPERIOR, Colo. – The Boulder County Sheriff’s Office is investigating after a man’s window was shot out on Highway 36 early Friday morning.

The shooting happened just before 6 a.m. on the Boulder Turnpike between the Flatirons Crossing and McCaslin exits."

Boulder County deputies investigating after man's window shot out on Highway 36
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ting-after-mans-window-shot-out-on-highway-36


Eta: yup. It's Superior.
 
  • #444
Driving towards Boulder:

"The man was driving toward Boulder when a vehicle, described as an “older” white Toyota or Honda sedan, pulled up alongside him and the man’s window shattered.

Boulder County deputies showed up to investigate and determined someone had indeed shot out the window after they found a bullet hole in the man’s Chevrolet truck.

The sheriff’s office says there is currently no motive for the shooting. It is asking anyone who saw the shooting to contact Boulder County Detective Jeff Pelletier at 303-441-3635 or Northern Colorado Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ting-after-mans-window-shot-out-on-highway-36


Eta: Did anyone from the Task Force show up? I hope so. I will if course let them know in case, but they are a Task Force, I'm sure they're on it. We are talking about Two Unsolved Homicides and One Unsolved Attempted Murder.
 
  • #445
(I might be dreaming this, but I could've sworn I estimated a potential move southward upstream...)
 
  • #446
Did we know about this one? I can't remember...

"COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — A woman driving on Interstate 25 said her window was shot out Wednesday morning,*KRDO reported.

It happened in the northbound lanes near the Interquest Parkway exit near the Air Force Academy.*The window shattered but the woman was not hurt.

KRDO posted a photo of the small SUV parked on the shoulder of the highway with a sheriff’s office vehicle behind it.

The case is still under investigation."


Driver says her window was shot out on I-25 in Colorado*Springs
http://kdvr.com/2016/08/10/driver-says-her-window-was-shot-out-on-i-25-in-colorado-springs/

POSTED 11:05 AM, AUGUST 10, 2016, BY*ANICA PADILLA,*UPDATED AT 12:09PM, AUGUST 10, 2016

Very far south of here.
 
  • #447
So, I'm noting for potential reference in case there is a relation that this Friday morning of the shooting it was Veteran's Day.

I'm not sure how impacted traffic might have been for morning commutes.

Have we had any other early morning/6am-ish Friday shatterings? Note to crosscheck Forager's spreadsheet (linked in my signature).

Was there any activity this time last year? How active are Fridays?

Anything else occurring near 6am on other days of the week?

Holiday weekends?
 
  • #448
Hatfield said:
It seems to me that LE would know whether road rage is likely or not by asking the driver of the victim whether he was doing anything that may have upset the other guy.

In any mild road rage experiences I have been in the common thing is I always knew what the other guy was pizzed about. Whether they perceived me to cut them off or whether I was going too slow or something like that.

So I think that driver victim really should know whether road rage is likely or not.

A victim doesnt always know what they did to pizz someone off but usually they do IMO.

So it really should not be such a mystery to LE if road rage or not.
LE probably would not tell us those details so we are left to wonder if it was something like that or the victim has no clue why the guy pulled alongside and took a pot shot at him.

The one thing that makes me think it could be a random shooter is if he pulled up alongside him then he could have easily shot him so the fact that the guy was not hit by the bullet makes me think that maybe it was someone deciding to randomly terrorize this guy.

BTW Hello all my friends on this thread. We had quite a ride with it and I am so glad it died down. I hope the shooter hasnt decided to start another wave.
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Still churning out those clear, thoughful posts, Hatfield! Good to see you again.

I think you are probably right about the victim being able to validate the road rage theory, but that assumes that the victim is willing to report his own behavior and to accuse the attacker. Sometimes, however, the victim(s) dummy up. I saw that a few times when I was trying to survey press reports of attacks on motorists last year. Most seemed to involve acquaintances in urban areas. The victims drive away from a bar after a argument, their car absorbs a clip of bullets a few blocks away, and no one saw anyone or knew any names. Less likely in Boulder County, I'll grant.
 
  • #449
margarita25 said:
Did we know about this one? I can't remember...

"COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — A woman driving on Interstate 25 said her window was shot out Wednesday morning,*KRDO reported.

It happened in the northbound lanes near the Interquest Parkway exit near the Air Force Academy.*The window shattered but the woman was not hurt.

KRDO posted a photo of the small SUV parked on the shoulder of the highway with a sheriff’s office vehicle behind it.

The case is still under investigation."


Driver says her window was shot out on I-25 in Colorado*Springs
http://kdvr.com/2016/08/10/driver-says-her-window-was-shot-out-on-i-25-in-colorado-springs/

POSTED 11:05 AM, AUGUST 10, 2016, BY*ANICA PADILLA,*UPDATED AT 12:09PM, AUGUST 10, 2016

Very far south of here.
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I remember putting a marker in the "Other On-road Incidents" layer of the case map for that one. It was, indeed, way south of the NoCO incidents.

I'm not sure, though, whether it makes sense to keep mapping window shatterings. During 2015, after the Romero shooting, the press reported every window shattering it heard about. With a couple of minor exceptions, that stopped in late 2015, so when we do occasionally get a report of a window shattering, we don't have much context against which to judge it. Road debris? The hypothesized I-25 Window Shatterer, or just beer fueled recreational gunplay?
 
  • #450
Here's an article back from Sept. 22, 2016. Not sure if this was posted.

Search Is On For Suspects Who Shot Out Car*Windows
September 22, 2016 5:20 PM
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/search-is-on-for-suspects-who-shot-out-car-windows/

"LONGMONT, Colo. (CBS4)*– Multiple drivers in eastern Boulder County had car windows shot out Thursday, including a mother who was driving with her toddler in the back seat.

The incidents were reported in Longmont, Lafayette and Erie, and no injuries have been reported. It’s believed all of the crimes were committed with a pellet or airsoft gun."

Snip

"Leanne Leonhardt, one of the victims, told CBS4 she was just headed out to run errands in Erie when two*cars*came up close behind her. It seemed to her the drivers wanted to race their vehicles, so Leonhardt pulled over to avoid them. At that moment she said she heard a pop."

Snip

"Police said they believe there are at least five suspects in the case."

Eta: I see I posted about this in #415; 3 were arrested.

More links:
Boulder County crime spree: Stolen cars, shot-out windows and multiple chases
http://www.timescall.com/news/crime...searching-stolen-vehicle-shooting-out-windows

Girl, 2, in car as window shot out in Boulder County crime spree
http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news/ci_30396321/girl-2-car-window-shot-out-boulder-county
 
  • #451
margarita25 said:
How often does someone pull out a gun in US and shoot at them due to roadrage? Interested in the stats.
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"Nearly 8 of every 10 U.S. drivers admit expressing anger, aggression or road rage at least once in the previous year, according to a survey released Thursday by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. The behavior could include following too closely, yelling at another driver, cutting them off or making angry gestures.

While that’s dangerous enough, an estimated 8 million drivers engaged in more extreme behavior on streets and roads that might be considered “road rage,” including bumping or ramming a vehicle on purpose or getting out of their cars to confront another driver, the foundation said."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/8-million-u-s-drivers-engage-road-rage/

But as to actual crime stats on Road Rage, they don't exist. We're lucky when the stats capture murder.
 
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  • #454
Yesterday morning's shot on that driver was not rage, imo. This is evident by the latest downstairs post re: the suspect's description, linked above in post #453.

Is this our guy?? Or maybe someone connected to some group? This was attempted murder, imo. Possible gang initiation/affiliation? Radical Religious/ Political motivation (as discussed in earlier threads)? Related or unrelated to CR, JJ and Connole?

And is LE and the media going to release what should already have been released, imo? Sounds like maybe weird sideways flying road debris is now weird sideways flying road rage. Trying to control people from panicking or maybe carrying weapons of their own? All eyes and ears need to be out right now. I'm afraid it's starting again and the next driver shot at might not be so lucky.
 
  • #455
margarita25 said:
So, I'm noting for potential reference in case there is a relation that this Friday morning of the shooting it was Veteran's Day.

I'm not sure how impacted traffic might have been for morning commutes.

Have we had any other early morning/6am-ish Friday shatterings? Note to crosscheck Forager's spreadsheet (linked in my signature).

Was there any activity this time last year? How active are Fridays?

Anything else occurring near 6am on other days of the week?

Holiday weekends?
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After a brief review of our spreadsheet by Forager, I'm not seeing anything the same time and day wise yet....unfortunately many times of prior incidents are unknown. Is there something I'm missing? Does this incidence crosscheck with any other incident(s) time AND day wise?
 
  • #456
Well, this is interesting. There was a shooting on HWY 36 in 2004. A long time ago, but interesting to note. Sounds like near the same spot?!

Police Probe Bizarre Shooting On U.S. 36
Autopsy To Reveal What Type Of Gun Killed Santos
5:22 AM, Jul 12, 2004

"Investigators in Boulder are looking into a bizarre Friday night shooting on Highway 36 that has left one driver dead.

Francis "Frank" Santos was shot and killed while driving on the Boulder Turnpike.

Francis "Frank" Santos of Denver, 37, was driving on Hwy. 36 towards Boulder when he was shot in the head and killed. His car lost control and crashed into the median barrier, near the McCaslin Boulevard interchange."
 
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Image source / Forager's CaseMap:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...o.kzPJOvnNDQio
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