Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[Nikynoo]

Because I know how much she loved her girls, and the facts of the case (specifically the things that have been published about the flight delay and events/findings the following day) lead me to believe they were dead before she came home.

@Colorado303 - what specifically leads you to believe that the girls were dead before SW came home?

 

[margarita25]

That’s a good point. No matter her actions, no matter if she was bossy or mean, it doesn’t justify what he did to her.

If this behavior is being viewed in regards to motive, well there’s no way of knowing. The motive could be one thing, or a combination of them.

We can’t get inside CW’s head, and I’m not sure I want to.

“We can’t get inside CW’s head, and I’m not sure I want to.“

AND even if we want to, I’m not sure we ever really can. Because we are not dark and sick like him.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Name hasn't been released but it has been stated it was a co-worker.

Sorry I stand corrected I forgot.

 

[Nikynoo]

But do we actually know who the AP was other than speculation? Until then we can only speculate she worked for Anadarko.

Could include a contractor, who doesn't necessarily work for Anadarko, but works at Anadarko.

 

[Allabouttrial]

The affidavit specifically stated that CW was actively involved in an affair with a co worker. I am thinking unless CW had two jobs, that the co worker was at Anadarko.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

Thank you I forgot!

 

[gitana1]

That's OK, I know there's a lot on FB, etc. But I personally won't fall for this let's look for abuse on both sides, when she is in her grave with her kids. And the only thing to go by is silly, sometimes stilted FB videos. How much of their daily life was captured and posted online? 1 zillionth of their total time?

Oh i don't know. I think the insinuation is that some are receiving information from inside sources that "confirms" SW was a crazy witch who was quite capable of killing her kids.

<modsnip: personalizing>

I remember the crazy stories Cindy Anthony adopted about Zanny the Nanny. I remember Scott Peterson's mother angrily asserting that some weirdos came in and took her daughter in law. Neil Entwistle's parents to this day vehemently believe their daughter in law killed her baby (shooting the baby in the gut) and then herself.

When people are particularly close to a defendant they often will be incapable of accepting guilt and will say anything to convince others and believe anything to convince themselves.

 

[margarita25]

The affidavit specifically stated that CW was actively involved in an affair with a co worker. I am thinking unless CW had two jobs, that the co worker was at Anadarko.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...18CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

Yes. I suspected this even before that was even verified.

So with that being said, IF she was going to call the mistress or the husband of the mistress it could have caused a big fiasco at work as well, as well as for the AP.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Could include a contractor, who doesn't necessarily work for Anadarko, but works at Anadarko.

Very possible!

 

[Deleted member 230544]

The affidavit specifically stated that CW was actively involved in an affair with a co worker. I am thinking unless CW had two jobs, that the co worker was at Anadarko.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

Quoting myself lol ~ it just dawned on me that the word "actively" was used at least twice in the affidavit 1. actively strangling Celeste
2. actively involved in an affair with co worker

I am thinking that LE used those words to describe what CW was telling them??

 

[MJPeony]

He did unbelievable things, like desecrate the bodies of small children. Honestly, what would be your explanation for dumping them in crude oil? That he thought no one would believe SW killed them?

So here's the thing for me- I think there are some of us who aren't very caught on the crude oil aspect of this. I'll speak for myself on why: I think once it's gotten to the point of strangled and murdered children and then a cover-up, the placing of the bodies in oil, or water, or under mud and dirt and around bugs really doesn't matter much to me. I see it all as terrible. Anything short of a casket or appropriate cremation or buried gently amongst flowers is disrespectful IMO. Yes, if he fed them to animals or abused the bodies I'd be more appalled, but the oil tanks are not something that makes CW seem suddenly more barbaric than someone already would be for murdering their own child. I see it more as really odd vs. more barbaric than in the ground or a lake. Also, if one considers his version of events, there is a whole host of explanations he may give as to his choice of body placement. We just don't know at this time.

 

[MassGuy]

Quoting myself lol ~ it just dawned on me that the word "actively" was used at least twice in the affidavit 1. actively strangling Celeste
2. actively involved in an affair with co worker

I am thinking that LE used those words to describe what CW was telling them??

That’s exactly my take on it. I just caught the same thing myself when I reread it (although I already thought this was simply LE lingo).

 

[margarita25]

We could look into it by interrogating him on why he didn't preserve the evidence and call the authorities to help save lives of his beloved family before desecrating their bodies instead. His denial of murdering the kids has to be seen in the light of what he did afterwards....make sure they were dead and hidden and even try to make it seem like she went away with them.

Well stated.

 

[NuttMegg]

LE said that she was a co-worker.

Without trying to figure out who she is, etc, I was curious if he always went around in the pickup alone, or if there were pairs of workers, or if possible there was a field hand like him combined with a type of supervising engineer/geologist, a professional. And no that's not out of the realm of possibilities that could be how his affair began and was played out.....IMO IMO IMO I definitely do not mean the burial/dumping event. I mean just usually, did he drive around alone doing his oil field jobs?

 

[margarita25]

So here's the thing for me- I think there are some of us who aren't very caught on the crude oil aspect of this. I'll speak for myself on why: I think once it's gotten to the point of strangled and murdered children and then a cover-up, the placing of the bodies in oil, or water, or under mud and dirt and around bugs really doesn't matter much to me. I see it all as terrible. Anything short of a casket or appropriate cremation or buried gently amongst flowers is disrespectful IMO. Yes, if he fed them to animals or abused the bodies I'd be more appalled, but the oil tanks are not something that makes CW seem suddenly more barbaric than someone already would be for murdering their own child. I see it more as really odd vs. more barbaric than in the ground or a lake. Also, if one considers his version of events, there is a whole host of explanations he may give as to his choice of body placement. We just don't know at this time.

I know what you mean.

It’s already bad. And Oil tanks are bad. As are dumpsters, ditches, landfills, “culverts”, etc, etc.

 

[moonlessnight]

when you are murdered by your husband, he is abusing his power and control. this does not come out for the first time to this degree.

I imagine SW agreed to the separation after being away from CW in NC and conveyed this to him over the phone. When reality hit of losing her, the kids, etc, and went outside his fantasy life with AP, he exerted the ultimate control over his family.

There is no evidence that SW was isolated or insecure. There are loving videos of positive interactions between them. I’ve never said SW was a victim of DV. I don’t think she would have put up with that. SW was very social and had many friends with whom she felt comfortable enough to share her suspicions about his cheating. One VI has had negative things to say about SW, but the others haven’t. We don’t know what went down between the VI and SW to make the VI feel this way, and just like we are, the VI is judging based on their own experiences and perspective. Nobody is perfect, I’m sure SW had some areas in her life that needed improvement. We all do. I’m sure your situation sucked for you. It’s awful that you had to go through that, but I don’t think your situation was the same as SW’s, and can be used as an exact comparison. SW took many of those trips because it was a requirement of her job. It’s not like they were all fun in the sun vacations. She was stuck in a huge meeting room all day long getting pumped up to sell more, more, more Thrive. I’m not victim blaming him as the recipient of abuse, and at the same time I am asking you to step up your game. You are not a victim, either. You are responsible for your own life. Learn from your mistakes. You deserve better. Don’t ever allow anyone to treat you like that, again. What an a$$hole your husband was, but it’s on you to get the He44 out of there before it gets that bad! I hope you learned that. Move forward in your life and put that behind you! This is sent to you with love and compassion.

 

[flourish]

Amen, sister. Do we ever see scholarly articles bewailing “efeminization” and suggesting that women suffer from not being valued?

Well there was the entire women's suffrage movement, women's ongoing battle for wage equality... Really can't see anything in history to suggest there's been issues with women not only not feeling valued but literally not being valued? Okay. Are there any women's studies majors here have any input?

 

[MassGuy]

So here's the thing for me- I think there are some of us who aren't very caught on the crude oil aspect of this. I'll speak for myself on why: I think once it's gotten to the point of strangled and murdered children and then a cover-up, the placing of the bodies in oil, or water, or under mud and dirt and around bugs really doesn't matter much to me. I see it all as terrible. Anything short of a casket or appropriate cremation or buried gently amongst flowers is disrespectful IMO. Yes, if he fed them to animals or abused the bodies I'd be more appalled, but the oil tanks are not something that makes CW seem suddenly more barbaric than someone already would be for murdering their own child. I see it more as really odd vs. more barbaric than in the ground or a lake. Also, if one considers his version of events, there is a whole host of explanations he may give as to his choice of body placement. We just don't know at this time.

Agreed. The murders were by far, the most heinous part. If you can kill your family in the first place, the desecration of the bodies isn’t surprising. I think this disposal method, was the most practical for his purposes (concealing the bodies and the crime).

 

[gitana1]

No one can force him to tell the truth, but the prosecution can, and likely will, call him as a witness. Hopefully he does the right thing.

In actually don't think they will call him at all.

 

[Nikynoo]

So here's the thing for me- I think there are some of us who aren't very caught on the crude oil aspect of this. I'll speak for myself on why: I think once it's gotten to the point of strangled and murdered children and then a cover-up, the placing of the bodies in oil, or water, or under mud and dirt and around bugs really doesn't matter much to me. I see it all as terrible. Anything short of a casket or appropriate cremation or buried gently amongst flowers is disrespectful IMO. Yes, if he fed them to animals or abused the bodies I'd be more appalled, but the oil tanks are not something that makes CW seem suddenly more barbaric than someone already would be for murdering their own child. I see it more as really odd vs. more barbaric than in the ground or a lake. Also, if one considers his version of events, there is a whole host of explanations he may give as to his choice of body placement. We just don't know at this time.

I agree with this, though you have worded it much better than I ever could.

 

[MassGuy]

In actually don't think they will call him at all.

Haaa, well you are an attorney, so I’ll defer to your expertise here.

 

[sun16]

He didn’t dump the car or Shanann’s belongings, throw the sheets away, or take any number of additional measures that he likely would have taken, had he had the time. His ability to stage the scene, was destroyed by Shanann’s friend.

I’m still kind of surprised that he thought he was going to have 1 or 2+ days to stage and clean up. Did he really think no one was going to miss her and the kids for a day or two or more? Dr. office, Nicole, other friends or work friends or family? And none of those people would find it weird she had zero communication? Or did he truly think people would be like, ‘oh, she took off? ok.’ I just don’t think he was very bright.