Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[searchinGirl]

There is no evidence that SW was isolated or insecure. There are loving videos of positive interactions between them. I’ve never said SW was a victim of DV. I don’t think she would have put up with that. SW was very social and had many friends with whom she felt comfortable enough to share her suspicions about his cheating. One VI has had negative things to say about SW, but the others haven’t. We don’t know what went down between the VI and SW to make the VI feel this way, and just like we are, the VI is judging based on their own experiences and perspective. Nobody is perfect, I’m sure SW had some areas in her life that needed improvement. We all do. I’m sure your situation sucked for you. It’s awful that you had to go through that, but I don’t think your situation was the same as SW’s, and can be used as an exact comparison. SW took many of those trips because it was a requirement of her job. It’s not like they were all fun in the sun vacations. She was stuck in a huge meeting room all day long getting pumped up to sell more, more, more Thrive. I’m not victim blaming him as the recipient of abuse, and at the same time I am asking you to step up your game. You are not a victim, either. You are responsible for your own life. Learn from your mistakes. You deserve better. Don’t ever allow anyone to treat you like that, again. What an a$$hole your husband was, but it’s on you to get the He44 out of there before it gets that bad! I hope you learned that. Move forward in your life and put that behind you! This is sent to you with love and compassion.

I believe under Colorado Law this is a crime of Domestic Violence. Maybe one of the lawyers on here will be so kind as to verify that. But, DV is about crimes committed within the family or relationship structure. It doesn’t at all mean that anyone suffered brute force injuries all the time and put up with it thinking love conquers all. Its more like two people addicted to each other in a cycle of love, sex, insecurity, parenting, manipulation, intimidation, self-esteem, public persona and that’s only to name a few.

Sometimes people get blind-sighted when they find out their love is more of an addiction that needs to be broken in order to survive. It’s evident to me that the Watts Marriage was reaching critical mass. Had SW Known the danger was most severe when one attempts to leave the relationship, she might have stayed in NC and saved her and her children’s lives.

I read earlier that you have been married for 48 years. Congratulations! I admire that. So many of us marry with no intention of ever getting divorced; but then one day wake up next to someone that would just as soon see you dead as to let you leave.

 

[gitana1]

So here's the thing for me- I think there are some of us who aren't very caught on the crude oil aspect of this. I'll speak for myself on why: I think once it's gotten to the point of strangled and murdered children and then a cover-up, the placing of the bodies in oil, or water, or under mud and dirt and around bugs really doesn't matter much to me. I see it all as terrible. Anything short of a casket or appropriate cremation or buried gently amongst flowers is disrespectful IMO. Yes, if he fed them to animals or abused the bodies I'd be more appalled, but the oil tanks are not something that makes CW seem suddenly more barbaric than someone already would be for murdering their own child. I see it more as really odd vs. more barbaric than in the ground or a lake. Also, if one considers his version of events, there is a whole host of explanations he may give as to his choice of body placement. We just don't know at this time.

Yeah I don't find the disposal of the bodies the most telling aspect of the case.

But his porch interviews, where he looks well rested and happy -smiling, no signs he had been up all night or crying- well groomed, clean, neat clothes, (so he was able to take a shower, carefully shave and put on clean clothes), no bags under his eyes, no red eyes, no shaking, frowning, grimacing, no crying during the three interviews, laughs a bit, grins, shows off his shirt when asked about it - that's the stuff that gets me.

Because he did all that about 24 hours after he supposedly saw his wife murder his kids. He looked like that and acted like that when he knew his children were dead and knew where their bodies were.

That coupled with his improbable behavior in actively working to conceal the murders from the get go and for at least 36 hours after, and no efforts to save his kids, call 911, try to get them to breathe, not one sound of screaming or crying or wailing in house (that's one helluva silent Greek tragedy that happened in his house), that his super close neighbors could hear, that's all the stuff that much more stunning to me and powerful to me than where he disposed of their bodies or how.

 

[BabyButterfly]

Yeah, I was thinking he probably needed a riding lawn mower to tackle that.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

It was an anterior cervical discectomy and fusion.

I don't begin to understand the American health system (I am not in USA) but what I was wondering is, would this type of surgery be paid out of pocket or would CW have medical benefits coverage that would pay for this surgery? why I wonder is the financial repercussions for said surgery and how it may have added to their financial issues? That being said, what about the pregnancies and the latest pregnancy ~ are those out of pocket or is coverage available through employer?

 

[PommyMommy]

does think this crime is disjointed? Like there is one person doing the murders and another disposing of the bodies? I'm not saying there is, I'm just struggling with the whole murder then quick disposal.

Why do you think the disposal was quick? What time did he arrive at the home to meet NUA and police?

 

[MassGuy]

does think this crime is disjointed? Like there is one person doing the murders and another disposing of the bodies? I'm not saying there is, I'm just struggling with the whole murder then quick disposal.

I don’t think so. IMO the actions of the murderer jibe with the actions of the disposer, who in this case, so happens to be the murderer.

 

[margarita25]

Yet investigators do it all the time... it doesn't mean they are sick... Imo

Well of course not. What I’m saying is we can never FEEL that. We can “analyze” it, but we could never understand doing it ourselves.

 

[MsBetsy]

does think this crime is disjointed? Like there is one person doing the murders and another disposing of the bodies? I'm not saying there is, I'm just struggling with the whole murder then quick disposal.

It could very well have been pre- meditated and he just didn't know when he was going to carry it out. Or he may have decided that would be a good night, but wasn't sure. Or had planned a later time, and couldn't control himself that night. Jmo

 

[Allabouttrial]

does think this crime is disjointed? Like there is one person doing the murders and another disposing of the bodies? I'm not saying there is, I'm just struggling with the whole murder then quick disposal.

It does seem to be, but I just can't wrap my head around someone else being present. None of what happens makes much sense at all to me. Why strangulation on at least one of the girls is a big question mark for me. I don't understand the use of this method. Suffocation yes.

 

[Stripehaven]

Well there was the entire women's suffrage movement, women's ongoing battle for wage equality... Really can't see anything in history to suggest there's been issues with women not only not feeling valued but literally not being valued? Okay. Are there any women's studies majors here have any input?

I get what you’re saying but I don’t see it as equivalent to talking about “emasculating” someone. The women’s movement is about equality for men and women. The post that sent me down this rabbit hole was about men feeling emasculated and IMO carries a whiff of feeling sorry for the poor guy and no wonder a fella in that situation might snap and kill his wife. And kids?!?!

 

[BelleIsle]

“Everything happens for a reason.”
—Shanann Watts

This is statement is just so wildly ironic I can’t get over it.

As I ponder my own difficult experiences and try to turn my own situations around for the positive, I wonder what “reason” she would say there ultimately is for the murder of her and her three children. And by her husband. And father of their children.

What would Shanann say to this??

We are all here trying to figure out the same thing, why did this happen. Shanann, I don’t think there is a “reason”, or at least I don’t know what that is, other than perhaps his own selfishness and rage (and other associated negative emotions and perhaps illness imo), and darkness.

But IF there is to be a reason for what happened to you girls, then we have to make it a positive one and find it, if that’s truly what you believe, as far as helping to make some kind of positive difference/effect in your honor, through your spirits that have been sacrificed for this “reason”. That’s the only thing I can think of as far as there being any kind of remote positive or “reason” as to what happened to you all. So if we are to internalize your words and accept them as truth as to “everything happens for a reason”, which you seemed to so passionately believe, what would you want that “reason” to be? What IS that “reason”? I’ve always said as regards to Jessica Ridgeway that there really is “no such thing as justice”, because nothing can ever bring her back or take away from the pain, physical and mental, that she and her family suffered.

Family was clearly most important to you, and achieving your dreams and working hard...

Maybe there’s also a residual message out there for us to keep our own eyes open wider and be careful about whom we choose to love...(but if there were no signs...).

This is all sooo difficult.

We talk about the production of Lucas’ Law, Sherin’s Law...what would you (SW) like for “Shanann’s Law” to be, metaphorically speaking—meaning, what was the real “reason” that this happened to you all in the big scheme of things (since you said you believe this)...and would you STILL believe this? Even after your own children being murdered? IS there really a reason?? I’m obviously struggling with all of this, even on a deep “spiritual” level..

I guess we feel this way about all murder victims, there is no reason, for example of the top of my head, say little Gabriella Doolan or Maddie Middleton or Jenise Wright or Bella Cannella or Jessica Ridgeway and everyone else young and old being violated and/or killed.

The world is a beautiful and awful place at the same time.

This type of perp, I’m truly flabbergasted myself here because I too have been sooooooo deluded myself and fooled in love. I relate with you (SW) in many ways. And inspired how you dealt with your medical issues so strongly. I’m trying to figure out how people can be so awful. There is no answer other than they just are.

@Colorado303 , in what way do you think that Shanann would explain here, now, how “everything happens for a reason”??

This was a touching post, @margarita25 . In my experience, having gone through great loss and trauma, the only way to keep going was to make something beneficial come out of it. Clearly there is no reason for many things, this is just a statement people say in order to keep going (or if they are religious they may believe it was part of a plan, which is also a way to keep going), that never worked for me. The "reason" is what you make of it. Hopefully, as you stated above, something positive will come out of this horror.

 

[margarita25]

I disagree. I firmly believe that each of us is responsible for our own life. Period. Yes, after the fact, you can come up for a gazillion reasons why someone stayed, but each choice was a bad, ill advised choice. There are better choices they could have made! And I am not placing blame on the victim for the fact that there was DV, but I am placing responsibility on the victim for remaining in that situation.

Hmmmm...not sure I can find that relevant here (Ill advised choice, yes obviously it was in hindsight.) I don’t think she could have ever imagined what was coming. Shanann may have felt that there was hope for working out whatever problems they may have had.

 

[Johnny1181]

Yeah I don't find the disposal of the bodies the most telling aspect of the case.

But his porch interviews, where he looks week rested and happy -smiling, no signs he had been up all night or crying- well groomed, clean, neat clothes, (so he was able to take a shower, carefully shave and put on clean clothes), no bags under his eyes, no red eyes, no shaking, frowning, grimacing, no crying during the three interviews, laughs a bit, grins, shows off his shirt when asked about it - that's the stuff that gets me.

Because he did all that about 24 hours after he supposedly saw his wife murder his kids. He looked like that and acted like that when he knew his children were dead and knew where their bodies were.

That coupled with his improbable behavior in actively working to conceal the murders from the get go and for at least 36 hours after, and no efforts to save his kids, call 911, try to get them to breathe, not one sound of screaming or crying or wailing in house (that's one helluva silent Greek tragedy that happened in his house), that his super close neighbors could hear, that's all the stuff that much more stunning to me and powerful to me than where he disposed of their bodies or how.

Perfectly said! Something that also stood out to me in the interview is that he said Bella "was", past tense, supposed to "start kindergarten next Monday" He's a monster! Moo

 

[MassGuy]

Why do you think the disposal was quick? What time did he arrive at the home to meet NUA and police?

1:40 in the afternoon I believe. We don’t know how quick the disposal procedure was. I’m assuming it was quick because he went to work afterwards. This of course may not be the case, depending upon if there were “check in procedures” along any other measures of accountability.

 

[DexterMorgan]

He didn’t dump the car or Shanann’s belongings, throw the sheets away, or take any number of additional measures that he likely would have taken, had he had the time. His ability to stage the scene, was destroyed by Shanann’s friend.

I hope every Thrive customer of SW continues to order from Nicole. SW would definitely want that if she was still here

 

[MsBetsy]

Well of course not. What I’m saying is we can never FEEL that. We can “analyze” it, but we could never understand doing it ourselves.

Yes, I know what you mean! Not to say anyone here may have the mind of a killer!! It is hard to try to put ourselves in that position, for sure. But with practice, investigators seem to be able to do this.. jmo

 

[moonlessnight]

I disagree. I firmly believe that each of us is responsible for our own life. Period. Yes, after the fact, you can come up for a gazillion reasons why someone stayed, but each choice was a bad, ill advised choice. There are better choices they could have made! And I am not placing blame on the victim for the fact that there was DV, but I am placing responsibility on the victim for remaining in that situation.

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this case is quite possibly a case in point. DV victims are more likely to be killed when they try to leave. remaining in a bad situation could be better than death for some women. we must respect the woman's choice about her life, and those of her children.

 

[Nudgee]

Maybe @Bill Carson could chime in? I do not know but under the impression there is no "legal" separation in Colorado, just divorce.

Totally agree..... someone educated in the law would know best!

 

[Nikynoo]

@gitana1 and @Mrspratcher are our two verified attorneys.

Why do you think the disposal was quick? What time did he arrive at the home to meet NUA and police?

Sorry, I'll clarify. IMO, the murders took place after SW returned home. I swing between 2 and 4 am for when they actually took place. CW then leaves the house at about 5.30. I am having difficulty understanding how he had the wherewithall to remove the bodies so quickly. Initally, I was thinking that disposal was on his way to work, but depending on when NA actually first called CW and when he actually returned home, it could have been later and thats why he took so long getting back. I dont know!

 

[Nikynoo]

I don’t think so. IMO the actions of the murderer jibe with the actions of the disposer, who in this case, happens to be the murderer.

why move them though? to try and get away with it? that doesnt make sense because the scene at home hadn't been set. he seemed to be in a rush to get them out of the house.......