Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[margarita25]

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"I really wonder how much of his motive was wanting to break SW’s heart. If he wanted to see her completely destroyed hard to imagine anything crueler than calling her to the Master bedroom w/“hi honey come here, I have a surprise for you” and when she walks in the girls are on the bed. Or not doing anything— waiting for her to come into the MBR assuming he’d be asleep and instead finding the girls."

Wondering what makes you think that might be a motive that shaped the killing sequence/crime, in your opinion @Colorado303

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

 

[MassGuy]

The rules here are worse than my midwest catolic high school. Now excus

I’m still kind of surprised that he thought he was going to have 1 or 2+ days to stage and clean up. Did he really think no one was going to miss her and the kids for a day or two or more? Dr. office, Nicole, other friends or work friendsor family? And none of those people would find it weird she had zero communication. Or did he truly think people would be like, ‘oh, she took off? ok.’ I just don’t think he was very bright.

I can’t even venture a guess here as to his logic. I’m not sure he thought he had as much time as you said, but I do think he thought he had enough time to do what he planned on doing, whatever the heck that was.

 

[gitana1]

It was an anterior cervical discectomy and fusion.

When did she have that?

 

[MsBetsy]

If it was pre-planned he had hours to "clean up" SW arrived home at approx. 01.48.

Yes, but we have know idea of when he murdered her. It must have been in close proximity of the girls since he disposed of their bodies all at once. Either way it had to be sometime before he left at 5: 15 that morning. He claims they had a conversation at 4:00 am. That doesn't leave much time at all. Imo

 

[molly1255]

Could include a contractor, who doesn't necessarily work for Anadarko, but works at Anadarko.

That is a possibility, too.

 

[Layla123]

when you are murdered by your husband, he is abusing his power and control. this does not come out for the first time to this degree.

I imagine SW agreed to the separation after being away from CW in NC and conveyed this to him over the phone. When reality hit of losing her, the kids, etc, and went outside his fantasy life with AP, he exerted the ultimate control over his family.

We don’t know this. There are many equally convincing scenarios we can come up with. We don’t have enough information to know exactly what happened. I’m of a mind that the DA has more evidence than what we’ve seen. Otherwise, why would they have charged him with First Degree murder? I’ve seen no evidence of premeditation, but the judge must have seen enough to allow these charges to remain and move forward. C W is still in jail. Let’s wait and see.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Yes, but we have know idea of when he murdered her. It must have been in close proximity of the girls since he disposed of their bodies all at once. Either way it had to be sometime before he left at 5: 15 that morning. He claims they had a conversation at 4:00 am. That doesn't leave much time at all. Imo

I agree it doesn't which is my point. I can't see how the killing of SW was pre-planned.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

Your dad sounds like a nice guy!

He is! And so is my mother, when she's in a good space. Can't we all just get along? LOL!

When did she have that?

I think the videos and pics were from last fall but I am not certain. It wasn’t that long ago, no more than a year. My mother in law had same surgery. Can’t turn her head easily now but less pain. Her initial comments to questions about it were “PM me”which I thought VERY odd considering how public her life was online. I finally saw one comment to a question where she spelled out the surgery. Maybe she thought the surgery would make it seem like Thrive couldn’t correct every ailment so she wanted to hide it, but she didn’t hide being photographed w the neck brace.

Edited to add... if you scroll through her mobile uploads it dates to 9/2017,the post surgery neck brace pics.

 

[MsBetsy]

He did unbelievable things, like desecrate the bodies of small children. Honestly, what would be your explanation for dumping them in crude oil? That he thought no one would believe SW killed them?

I think that would ensure that no one would believe him. Imo. I don't think he even thought of the story that his wife killed the children until he knew he was caught... Imo, and after talking to his dad.

 

[NuttMegg]

Well there was the entire women's suffrage movement, women's ongoing battle for wage equality... Really can't see anything in history to suggest there's been issues with women not only not feeling valued but literally not being valued? Okay. Are there any women's studies majors here have any input?

True, an entire movement...yet to this day, on this board, we see posters insinuating that SW was "emasculating". Not that possibly CW felt insecure about his own manhood in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

In actually don't think they will call him at all.

Are we speaking about CW father as a potential witness? If so, why would he not be called as a witness? Do family members have immunity or is that something I saw in a movie once!

 

[Allabouttrial]

There is no evidence that SW was isolated or insecure. There are loving videos of positive interactions between them. I’ve never said SW was a victim of DV. I don’t think she would have put up with that. SW was very social and had many friends with whom she felt comfortable enough to share her suspicions about his cheating. One VI has had negative things to say about SW, but the others haven’t. We don’t know what went down between the VI and SW to make the VI feel this way, and just like we are, the VI is judging based on their own experiences and perspective. Nobody is perfect, I’m sure SW had some areas in her life that needed improvement. We all do. I’m sure your situation sucked for you. It’s awful that you had to go through that, but I don’t think your situation was the same as SW’s, and can be used as an exact comparison. SW took many of those trips because it was a requirement of her job. It’s not like they were all fun in the sun vacations. She was stuck in a huge meeting room all day long getting pumped up to sell more, more, more Thrive. I’m not victim blaming him as the recipient of abuse, and at the same time I am asking you to step up your game. You are not a victim, either. You are responsible for your own life. Learn from your mistakes. You deserve better. Don’t ever allow anyone to treat you like that, again. What an a$$hole your husband was, but it’s on you to get the He44 out of there before it gets that bad! I hope you learned that. Move forward in your life and put that behind you! This is sent to you with love and compassion.

 

[Nikynoo]

We don’t know this. There are many equally convincing scenarios we can come up with. We don’t have enough information to know exactly what happened. I’m of a mind that the DA has more evidence than what we’ve seen. Otherwise, why would they have charged him with First Degree murder? I’ve seen no evidence of premeditation, but the judge must have seen enough to allow these charges to remain and move forward. C W is still in jail. Let’s wait and see.

Layla - what I took from the DA's press conference and also the charging hearing, is that the charges are allegations. The allegations need to give reasonable cause to hold CW. I think its the status conference ( or is it the arraignment) that will determine whether there is sufficient evidence to proceed on this basis. Perhaps @Amandaaa could give us some pointers on this?

 

[PommyMommy]

When did she have that?

He is! And so is my mother, when she's in a good space. Can't we all just get along? LOL!

I think the videos and pics were from last fall but I am not certain. It wasn’t that long ago, no more than a year. My mother in law had same surgery. Can’t turn her head easily now but less pain. Her initial comments to questions about it were “PM me”which I thought VERY odd considering how public her life was online. I finally saw one comment to a question where she spelled out the surgery. Maybe she thought the surgery would make it seem like Thrive couldn’t correct every ailment so she wanted to hide it, but she didn’t hide being photographed w the neck brace.

Based on photos with the neck brace on Instagram, September 2017.
Thrive Healthy Fit Mom on Instagram: “I have 3 samples going out today! Are you next? Message me #ThriveExperience #thrive #minithriveexperience #Energy #focus #mentalclarity…”

 

[MsBetsy]

“We can’t get inside CW’s head, and I’m not sure I want to.“

AND even if we want to, I’m not sure we ever really can. Because we are not dark and sick like him.

Yet investigators do it all the time... it doesn't mean they are sick... Imo

 

[moonlessnight]

We don’t know this. There are many equally convincing scenarios we can come up with. We don’t have enough information to know exactly what happened. I’m of a mind that the DA has more evidence than what we’ve seen. Otherwise, why would they have charged him with First Degree murder? I’ve seen no evidence of premeditation, but the judge must have seen enough to allow these charges to remain and move forward. C W is still in jail. Let’s wait and see.

that's why I said "I imagine". I do believe it was premeditated, though. I think he is one serious sicko and made SW see the most horrible sight any mother could possibly imagine, and then did her in.

 

[Nikynoo]

I agree it doesn't which is my point. I can't see how the killing of SW was pre-planned.

does anyone think this crime is disjointed? Like there is one person doing the murders and another disposing of the bodies? I'm not saying there is, I'm just struggling with the whole murder then quick disposal.

 

[MsBetsy]

I’m still kind of surprised that he thought he was going to have 1 or 2+ days to stage and clean up. Did he really think no one was going to miss her and the kids for a day or two or more? Dr. office, Nicole, other friends or work friends or family? And none of those people would find it weird she had zero communication? Or did he truly think people would be like, ‘oh, she took off? ok.’ I just don’t think he was very bright.

Ahh....yes, It would seem he is not the brightest bulb. Jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

Layla - what I took from the DA's press conference and also the charging hearing, is that the charges are allegations. The allegations need to give reasonable cause to hold CW. I think its the status conference ( or is it the arraignment) that will determine whether there is sufficient evidence to proceed on this basis. Perhaps @Amandaaa could give us some pointers on this?

@gitana1 and @Mrspratcher are our two verified attorneys.

 

[MassGuy]

Yet investigators do it all the time... it doesn't mean they are sick... Imo

Well they try to. But no matter how much one tries, it is impossible to completely understand another person’s mindset. Especially in the case of a person who could commit a crime like this.