Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[ReckoningDay]

What facts do you need, though? What facts do you have that SW killed the children?
Are you ready to believe a man who stood in front of the world and lied and lied, then lied to LE and now he is telling the truth?

This!

 

[Whiteorchids]

Could be. I think it took him well beyond 7am though. I think he could easily have spent an hour and 1/2 just digging. I'm also going with the theory that he disposed of all four of them at the same time.

Someone mentioned in an earlier post that the cab of his truck is not very big. The bodies would have been piled high. This is another reason I’m thinking the girls were killed and put in the oil tank on the 12th and SW on the 13th.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

What facts do you need, though? What facts do you have that SW killed the children?
Are you ready to believe a man who stood in front of the world and lied and lied, then lied to LE and now he is telling the truth?

We don't have enough facts to determine if he's innocent of killing the girls or not. I don't know how anyone can say we do. A jury couldn't convict him with what little we know regarding the 2 girls. Lies don't make you guilty of murder. JMO

 

[Jennifer17]

I get what you are saying. However, we don't have enough facts to determine if he's innocent of killing the girls or not. I don't know how anyone can say we do. A jury couldn't convict him with what little we know regarding the 2 girls. JMO

If I were on that jury, I would vote guilty. Any normal thinking person would not countenance that an innocent man dumps his dead children in oil vats if he did not cause the deaths of those children.

 

[pocketaccent]

Could be. I think it took him well beyond 7am though. I think he could easily have spent an hour and 1/2 just digging. I'm also going with the theory that he disposed of all four of them at the same time.

bbm
Poor Nico. He is a person too.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

RSBM

I think my other post didn't get sent, so sorry if this all appears together, but I would think If he strangled them he knows exactly what color they were, and maybe that's what made him think to use that in his story about seeing it in the monitor. Jmo

That’s my thinking exactly. That’s the color he saw when he was squeezing the life out of them.

His choice of killing has premeditation all over it. There reportedly were no signs of a violent struggle in the house, no blood, no mess to clean up/dispose of except bed sheets/pillow cases, no visible marks/scratches on himself. If his version were true, SW was already in a frenzy, she'd be fighting for her life, he'd be all scratched up!
Wouldn't there be shouting too, like CW screaming for SW to stop, which would be easily heard from an upstairs bedroom at 4 in the morning.
In CW's scenario, they're both ninjas, silent stalkers and killers!
In one of his interviews, he says this is like a movie, he can't help revealing how his mind works. His version of a father avenging the death of his children at the hands of their mother is in a movie, Shutter Island.
JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I get what you are saying. However, we don't have enough facts to determine if he's innocent of killing the girls or not. I don't know how anyone can say we do. A jury couldn't convict him with what little we know regarding the 2 girls. JMO

I absolutely think they could. His actions, his lies, are absolutely stunning in their callousness. His story is absolutely unbelievable, unprecedented, and illogical.

 

[NuttMegg]

The whole stepped out for a moment story is a lie. That didn't happen. He said it in order to make Shanann the villain. But the fact that he said 'for a moment' is telling. It took only a very short time for him to successfully strangle the little girls. IMO

Is Pommy here? Didn't the floor plan show the stairs by the girls' rooms? IE if he came back up the stairs he would pass their rooms and presumably hear a commotion, before he got back to SW/CW room to see the monitor? (Sorry if that layout is not how I remember it).

 

[Whiteorchids]

We don't have enough facts to determine if he's innocent of killing the girls or not. I don't know how anyone can say we do. A jury couldn't convict him with what little we know regarding the 2 girls. Lies don't make you guilty of murder. JMO

Lies don’t but the coverup does. It’s the whole big picture. IMO

 

[Best of What's Around]

We don't have enough facts to determine if he's innocent of killing the girls or not. I don't know how anyone can say we do. A jury couldn't convict him with what little we know regarding the 2 girls. Lies don't make you guilty of murder. JMO

Covering up a crime does show evidence of guilt. And an implausible confession, which was given only when he knew that they had found the location of the bodies so as to mitigate his charges. At every turn, every action and word is that of a guilty man. This is what juries look at when physical evidence is lacking. And the confession lacks plausibility. A loving father, or really any stranger, would try to recisitate two dead children (having died within minutes of “finding” them) with the help of 911. Not start packing them up to go hide them and messaging your deceased wife like she is alive.

 

[Skillz]

I've always thought he might have seen a vehicle spraying dust, and coming along that road, which is why he got rid of SW in such a faulty manner. It could have been past 7 by that time. It also could have been the reason that some co-worker may have remembered seeing him.

I’ve been wondering what time he clocked into work that day. Or what his normal shift was.

 

[Jennifer17]

bbm
Poor Nico. He is a person too.

Yes, and the coward who was emasculated by his bossy wife could not even acknowledge him in his interview in case his affair partner was watching.
I wonder if the AP is bossy like SW and he is scared of her too?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

If I were on that jury, I would vote guilty. Any normal thinking person would not countenance that an innocent man dumps his dead children in oil vats if he did not cause the deaths of those children.

I believe I'm a normal thinking person. I also believe in innocent until PROVEN guilty. I sure hope people who are ready to vote one way or another without a trial aren't on the jury.

 

[NuttMegg]

RBBM
Just to be clear, some of us who are not fully convinced that CW is responsible are not ignoring facts. We don't have the facts to determine who is responsible for the deaths of the girls.

I hear you, but what if there turns out to be no way to tell who actually strangled the girls? If I were on the jury, knowing what we know now, I would not give him reasonable doubt, given what he did to erase evidence.

 

[pocketaccent]

Is Pommy here? Didn't the floor plan show the stairs by the girls' rooms? IE if he came back up the stairs he would pass their rooms and presumably hear a commotion, before he got back to SW/CW room to see the monitor? (Sorry if that layout is not how I remember it).

I had the same idea and looked for the floor plan too, but couldn't locate it. I guess SW was quite as a mouse as she was killing her precious baby, according to his story.

 

[katydid23]

RBBM
Just to be clear, some of us who are not fully convinced that CW is responsible are not ignoring facts. We don't have the facts to determine who is responsible for the deaths of the girls.

We have a few facts that point towards his potential guilt, imo.

For one, his statements about the event do not seem credible. Hard to believe that he could see on the monitor, that his child was blue. That is very questionable.

And if he did see a blue child, even harder to believe that he didn't call 911 and/or scream loudly for help. He said nothing about trying to revive either child.

Sadly, I have known several parents who have found an unresponsive child or spouse. Trying to immediately REVIVE their loved one is the immediate priority. Calling 911, screaming for help from neighbors, doing CPR, would be his response, if he really saw a child sprawled on her bed, blue in the face. He didn't do anything of the sort.

His other child was in the process of being strangled. She had a great chance to be saved if he had tried to do so. But he said nothing about trying to save her. Instead, he spent precious long minutes strangling his wife, and thus killing his only surviving child in the process.

These facts point to his potential guilt, not his potential innocence, in my opinion.

Nothing in his story makes much sense. Why would they be having a deep emotional discussion 2 hours after she arrived home, from a long delayed flight. She was ill, pregnant and exhausted. She would have been asleep if she had her choice.

And he said he asked for a separation and she snapped. But our VI said he had asked for a separation repeatedly, with little response from her. Why would a pregnant woman, thrilled about the little boy she had already named, brutally slaughter her babies, over a proposed separation, that she knew about for weeks or months?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Lies don’t but the coverup does. It’s the whole big picture. IMO

I agree - it's the whole big picture and frankly we don't know the whole big picture yet. That's a fact that's being heavily overlooked. IMO

 

[Jennifer17]

I believe I'm a normal thinking person. I also believe in innocent until PROVEN guilty. I sure hope people who are ready to vote one way or another without a trial aren't on the jury.

So who killed them? It seems that you are ready to accept that SW killed them, without being proven guilty in a court of law.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Covering up a crime does show evidence of guilt. And an implausible confession, which was given only when he knew that they had found the location of the bodies so as to mitigate his charges. At every turn, every action and word is that of a guilty man. This is what juries look at when physical evidence is lacking. And the confession lacks plausibility. A loving father, or really any stranger, would try to recisitate two dead children (having died within minutes of “finding” them) with the help of 911. Not start packing them up to go hide them and messaging your deceased wife like she is alive.

PS. Someone had mentioned yesterday that he might have covered it all up because he thought no one would believe him. In this day and age, we all know about DNA evidence. If you can think clearly enough to do what he did to protect himself, you would suspect that crude oil might destroy exactly what would prove your innocence.

 

[Whiteorchids]

When I watched the CW interviews I found myself looking at his hands knowing now they were used to kill his wife, unborn son and probably his two littles girls. I am repulsed and creeped out.