Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

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  • #421
I get that, but he had all night to wash that bedding and instead put it in the bin! perhaps he couldnt work the washer? :)
Lol to the washer.

He may not have had all night if he committed the murders in the early morning hours. He would have committed the crime, then left the house soon after. We know that Shanann’s flight was delayed, so the time of her killing atleast is between when she arrived, and when he was spotted leaving for work. There wasn’t a whole lot of time.
 
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If one has ever been a victim of domestic violence, as I have, or have true awareness of the horrible cycle that it is, they would never say these words.

A victim of domestic violence does not "play victim", they ARE a victim. And cannot take control as they are being mercilessly controlled.... and abused, and terrorized.

That said, there is no evidence of domestic violence in this case so far.... which probably makes it more difficult for us to grasp how this monster decided one night to strangle his babies and wife and dump them in oil and cover her with dirt. Then show off his shirt to the cameras.

MOO MOO MOO
 
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Lol to the washer.

He may not have had all night if he committed the murders in the early morning hours. He would have committed the crime, then left the house soon after. We know that Shanann’s flight was delayed, so the time of her killing atleast is between when she arrived, and when he was spotted leaving for work. There wasn’t a whole lot of time.
no, MONDAY night, after they had gone 'missing'.
 
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Both result in asphyxiation. Strangulation is a bit more cruel. It's hard to imagine looking into someone's eyes as you take their life from them. Yet this is what CW did with his wife, and apparently his two little girls. It makes sense that he would use this method with his wife, as it demonstrates the power and a ability to control every last breathe, but how he could do this to his girls is unfathomable to me as well. Jmo
I think he was standing behind her. There are two photos where he is holding one hand behind her back. Maybe she was used to it.
 
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* WARNING - WARNING - WARNING*

PLEASE STOP ARGUING ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AKA DV. YOU CAN DISCUSS IT ONLY AS IT RELATES TO THIS CASE. YOU CAN'T START POSTING ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT DV IN GENERAL. ALL THAT WILL DO IS LEAD US DOWN A LONG NASTY PATH THAT WILL END UP WITH THE FORUM IMPLODING.
PLEASE KEEP ON TOPIC.
Edited to add I have yet to see any indication of domestic violence in this case.
Thank you,
Tricia
 
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no, MONDAY night, after they had gone 'missing'.
Oh sorry. Completely misunderstood. Yeah it doesn’t make a lot of sense why he didn’t do some sort of cleanup then. By that point though, police already knew that Shanann’s belongings were there. I suppose he could have atleast washed the sheets though.
 
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1:40 in the afternoon I believe. We don’t know how quick the disposal procedure was. I’m assuming it was quick because he went to work afterwards. This of course may not be the case, depending upon if there were “check in procedures” along any other measures of accountability.
Yes, that was sort of my point in asking. Coonrod was dispatched at 1:40 pm and called CW for the outside garage door key code. I estimate that CW arrived home sometime around 2:00 pm, and we know he was at the disposal site that morning, but we have no idea how long he was there. We know he made at least two trips up and down those stairs and had to remove bolts, etc. We know he had to dig a grave (unless it was done prior) and a local just told us earlier today how long it took to dig a smaller hole in that soil. I guess it could also depend on how someone defines "quick." IMO, it wasn't.
 
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Yes! he had a whole 18 hours or so to 'tidy' up......
Do you know I've been looking at the minute details not the blatant ones! We NEED to see the LE interview so frustrating. I'm going to mull over this for bit see if I can sort this in my head and think about other scenerios........................
 
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I think he was standing behind her. There are two photos where he is holding one hand behind her back. Maybe she was used to it.
A chokehold from behind would render someone unconscious in 10-15 seconds.
He could have then held it until she was dead. I think this makes sense as the method in his wife’s murder, because it would explain the lack of injuries on C.W.
 
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Yes, but we have know idea of when he murdered her. It must have been in close proximity of the girls since he disposed of their bodies all at once. Either way it had to be sometime before he left at 5: 15 that morning. He claims they had a conversation at 4:00 am. That doesn't leave much time at all. Imo
I think that she was a very organized person. A bag downstairs, the purse on a countertop, indicates that she just walked in. I don’t think he waited till she’d fall asleep.
 
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abuse on both sides is very uncommon. most often, the behavior of the victim, which can become less stable than that of the abuser as a result of the abuse, might be interpreted as abuse due to the PTSD/C-PTSD that occurs among DV victims, along with possible substance use/abuse. DV is comparable to being a prisoner of war. You cannot expect "normal" behavior by its victims. some may have stockholm syndrome. some may be highly reactive and irate - always on a hair trigger/fight/flight reaponse. some may be passive and terrified. some may stand up for themselves to the degree it appears as abuse, despite the fact their pleas fall on deaf/dead ears. many DV victims do not realize their partner is abusive. some just do not understand why their partner never listens, doesn't care, doesn't stop doing what the victim fears. they think their partner just doesn't understand, or is kind of emotionally immature, or is over-stressed, or overworked. they have no idea their partner does not care and enjoys tormenting them - enjoys their misery and feeds on it.

My MS in psych focused on psychopathy and PTSD and how they are opposites, but how the amygdala in the abuser and victim become mirrors of each other. this is why it can be hard to tell who the abuser is. the victim acts as a surrogate for the emotions that the abuser cannot acknowledge or manage. the abuser inflicts his emotions (shame, fear) onto the victim for her to live them out and manage them for him. the victim either takes on the unconscious trauma of the abuser and becomes traumatized and an abuse victim, or transmutes the trauma into healing (rarely unless she gets out and gets treatment). but the abuser feeds on the self doubt, fear, anger, depression, low self esteem of the victim - she makes him feel like he is a better, stronger person than she is. if she gets angry, he stays calm and baits her, feeling superior and calm when she is irate and he is chuckling on the inside. considering she usually was a very strong, talented, smart person to begin with, this makes his feel very powerful. he has the power to destroy her and dump his trauma onto her by re-enacting his own suppressed traumas on her and taking the superior role. he plays her like a marionette, and she thinks she is in an equal, human relationship. it is very confusing.

I have debated on whether or not I should post here but this post shook me to my core. This is my life, right now. I told my husband (together almost 12 years) to leave three weeks ago because of this case. He left, but he hasn't stopped the verbal and emotional abuse.

For a long time I had no idea what was happening to me. I couldn't figure out what I was doing to cause this hatred of his. I didn't know it was abuse. He was so adept at making me feel weak and wrong and I believed it. Sometimes I still wonder if I somehow contributed to his outbursts. No one else saw what was happening, these scars can be invisible. He could be screaming and calling me every name in the book but when his friend showed up, he changed into this charming, happy go lucky person. I kept trying to change myself, trying to make him understand or realize that I was a good person, a good wife. When I started to "see" what was happening, I tried to set boundaries. I tried to defend myself and when I did, he told me I was the abusive one. Looking in from the outside, one might have said that I was the crazy one. I was only trying to take my life back. I was told two weeks ago that I do have PTSD from his abuse, one can only take so much before they crack. For 11 years, he was never physical with me but he was emotionally and verbally abusive. When I tried to set my boundaries earlier this year, his abuse escalated and he turned to physical violence. In July he tried to strangle me. I honestly don't know why he didn't kill me that night. I was too scared to leave, I still thought it was my fault. He threatened me because I tried to leave about a week after this tragedy happened. I knew I had to do something. I contacted a shelter and I am getting help. I am not looking for sympathy here, just giving perspective from some one living with abuse right now.

My point is that NO ONE knows what is really going on. In fact, he has friends and family that are telling me that it is just a rough patch and I need to work it out with him. His sister in law is telling people that there is no way he is a "psychopath" and that I am the one with problems. When I finally broke down and told my mom, she was in disbelief. She said there were no signs and she had no idea. No one did.

We really don't know what was going on behind closed doors, no matter how close we think we are. No amount of pictures or videos will tell us what was happening when no one else was around.
 
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Yes, that was sort of my point in asking. Coonrod was dispatched at 1:40 pm and called CW for the outside garage door key code. I estimate that CW arrived home sometime around 2:00 pm, and we know he was at the disposal site that morning, but we have no idea how long he was there. We know he made at least two trips up and down those stairs and had to remove bolts, etc. We know he had to dig a grave (unless it was done prior) and a local just told us earlier today how long it took to dig a smaller hole in that soil. I guess it could also depend on how someone defines it quick. IMO, it wasn't.
Thanks! I think I meant how quickly he got them out the house, after the murders. his mind must have been working at lightening speed to make all those decisions.
 
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I think that she was a very organized person. A bag downstairs, the purse on a countertop, indicates that she just walked in. I don’t think he waited till she’d fall asleep.
I don't think so either. Maybe he mentioned that time to purposely mislead LE.
 
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I disagree. I firmly believe that each of us is responsible for our own life. Period. Yes, after the fact, you can come up for a gazillion reasons why someone stayed, but each choice was a bad, ill advised choice. There are better choices they could have made! And I am not placing blame on the victim for the fact that there was DV, but I am placing responsibility on the victim for remaining in that situation.

DV victims are crime victims and so are their children. They often need an advocate and a safety plan prior to removing themselves from the situation. If it were easy to accomplish, resources such as this one wouldn't be necessary and murders wouldn't be happening. JMO

Victim Services Unit - Sheriff
 
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Thanks! I think I meant how quickly he got them out the house, after the murders. his mind must have been working at lightening speed to make all those decisions.
I suppose it’s easier to think logically when your are devoid of empathy. If he is a sociopath, he had a distinct advantage in this regard.
 
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