Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[BayouBelle_LA]

I really like the show Bull. I know it is fiction,but it does give you an idea on how jurors are chosen. When I was in a jury pool,we had to answer two pages of detailed questions before they interviewed us. Yesterday, as I read and lurked on this thread,it hit me that the defense needs to find people that don't object to where a body is put after it is dead. I cannot get past the fact that those two little girls were placed in oil tanks. The same way that I could not fathom that poor Lucas was "supposedly" found dead in his bed,yet his body was dumped in a culvert.I remember seeing his mother collapse as the van with his remains stopped by her. I don't care what the lawyers would instruct me to do..I cannot get past the fact that these girls were dumped like that and their father then begged for them to come home. MOO MOO

The whole trial by jury process is scary and unpredictable. IMO
I've been a juror and my SO was a sequestered juror in a death penalty case. I served with two jurors, who you could tell didn't care about the facts at all. During deliberation, one even said "it's a big company, they aren't going to pay, their insurance company will, so what does it matter". The other says "just for fun what could we have given her had she won". Really!

 

[PommyMommy]

Please give the Thayer's more credit. They took CW in to their home and reportedly wanted to help CW assemble a game plan: contact lists, organize search team, coordinate search with LE, and CW had no interest in looking for his family, and/or assist the Thayers to look for his family (understandably because he knew they were dead and where their bodies were).

Thayer's were left feeling scared, duped, and apologetic to family, friends, and the public for supporting CW after he lied to them. CW did not confide in his close friends that SW allegedly killed the children because it would be another lie. LE charged CW with the death of SW and all the children because there is no evidence that SW killed her babies, and no truth to CW allegations.

Not to mention that he didn't appear to be in shock IN THE LEAST.

Was he jittery? Disconnected? Not thinking clearly? No. He stood there smiling, laughing, answering questions with flat-out lies. Not just one lie, but a MULTITUDE of bold-faced lies.

People who are in shock feel a surge of adrenalin, can’t think straight, want to scream or vomit. He coolly stood there for how many interviews? Three?

For anyone who has not done so, watch them without sound. He looks like he could be discussing the weather. MOO

 

[Shekkiec]

YES. And, I think it is telling that mutual friends (without a long history of just one) like the Thayers do not appear to be putting any stock in CW's current version of events.

I think they did not know he killed his wife and disposed of his kids when they let him stay . I think they were in shock as well and disbelief he was a great dad and husband and zero indication of this happening . They only knew positive things about both of them

 

[BabyButterfly]

Previous from a verified attorney on the last thread mrspratcher


Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #26
"Ok, so as we all know, the 5th Amendment (also applicable to the states via the due process clause of the 14th Amendment) protects us from self-incrimination. However, the US Supreme Court has limited this to testimonial evidence. The motion filed by the State is for Non-Testimonial evidence. CW is arguing that the Court should ignore established US Supreme Court precedent and rule that non-testimonial evidence is covered under the protections afforded by the 5th/14th amendments.

If non-testimonial evidence is covered under the the 5th/14th amendment, then CW would be able to take the fifth and would not be required to provide the requested DNA, palm prints, fingerprints and pictures.

CW is asking that the Court defer to the Colorado constitution because it affords greater rights than the US constitution."

ETA..another by mrspratcher

Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #26

"The 4th Amendment to the US Constitution (applicable to the state’s via the 14th amendment), prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures. He’s arguing that the State lacks probable cause and this is an unreasonable request violative of the 4th/14th amendments. He does not want to comply until the State makes a more detailed explanation as to why they want his DNA, prints, picture, and palm prints."

This is why I am thinking that they are forcing the hand of the prosecution to release the cause of death on them. Because they are pushing the envelope to explain why they want the palm prints. How can they do that without saying the cause of death is strangulation?

Thanks. I just didn't understand that one sentence. It sounded like he thought, or his attorney thought, he was being held and shouldn't be? If that makes sense? I need a nap!

 

[Charlot123]

I am more leaning toward she found out about the same sex affair and was angry and was saying stuff he did not want to hear so he stopped her voice.

At first, I didn't think it meant much. Now I think that if SW did find out about same sex affair and was angry, CW was scared that he could be blackmailed in the divorce. He was thinking of the separation, the divorce, and how much it might cost him. A lot. In these situations, people fight for every cent. And while in general a same-sex relationship is not a big deal in CO, during the separation it turns into powerful knowledge...especially if your ex has an active SM.

 

[Amandaaa]

Was that a different defense lawyer or PD who tried to get a judge to order the ME to take DNA from the throats of the little girls? At what point do we just lose all respect for the process.

The process is definitely complicated and I can absolutely see how people could lose faith in it - but to me, it’s actually the opposite. I would lose faith if these motions weren’t made.
The motion for the DNA - once the postmortem is completed, the opportunity to gather that particular type of evidence is lost forever. The Attorneys have to raise it - hopefully it would have been collected anyway, but they are putting everyone on notice that they view that evidence as critical to their defense of the defendant.

The judicial process is a bit clunky sometimes, and I’m sure it is frustrating to view from the outside, but the steps are required in order to protect our constitutional rights.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I think they did not know he killed his wife and disposed of his kids when they let him stay . I think they were in shock as well and disbelief he was a great dad and husband and zero indication of this happening . They only knew positive things about both of them

Yes, and they specifically mention in their interview that it is chilling to them (and that they will never forgive themselves...which is so touching) that they let him sleep across from their 4 year old. If they thought he only killed his wife because she killed the children, they would not have said that, IMO. They are chilled because they think he is guilty of the whole thing.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Please give the Thayer's more credit. They took CW in to their home and reportedly wanted to help CW assemble a game plan: contact lists, organize search team, coordinate search with LE, and CW had no interest in looking for his family, and/or assist the Thayers to look for his family (understandably because he knew they were dead and where their bodies were).

Thayer's were left feeling scared, duped, and apologetic to family, friends, and the public for supporting CW after he lied to them. CW did not confide in his close friends that SW allegedly killed the children because it would be another lie. LE charged CW with the death of SW and all the children because there is no evidence that SW killed her babies, and no truth to CW allegations.

Shades of the Jodi Arias case whereby people from multi-level marketing are helping out and know some of what is going on. I cannot remember the name of the couple in the Jodi Arias case that lived in California, but I'm drawing similarities and that some of the folks knew what was going on right afterwards and are keeping very quiet right now because they know they are going to be key at trial.

 

[katydid23]

I think the defense is just doing their job - defending him - and protecting his constitutional rights, requiring the government to provide a more specific reason.
I understand how it may come across in this particular case - but think about it in the general sense... you don’t want the government to be allowed to come in and take whatever they want from you without being able to justify it.

True. But if you lead the cops to three dead bodies, which you disposed of on your job site, wouldn't it be expected that the State would have to follow up and check your potential involvement?

I really don't see a big problem with a lack of justification on the State's part. He disposed of three dead loved one's. He needs to provide answers to that situation. JMO

 

[Best of What's Around]

I am not a psychologist nor professional to gage a diagnosis but to me his actions do not further indict him as killing his girls .

Respectfully, when you lie to the police, family, friends, and a worried public to continue a frantic search for people you have dumped and hidden, it goes to whether you can believe his next round of explanation - which comes ONLY after the police have zeroed in on where the bodies are located.

 

[Deleted member 134862]

They had enough money to pay 608 bucks, in my opinion.

We withheld our HOA fees over a dispute we were having with them. Many others in our neighborhood did as well. They put a 'lien' on our home for 2200 in dues owed. But we had already shown them a savings account, which held our monthly HOA dues of 325 bucks a month. We just weren't paying until they reopened the pool and tennis courts and stopped issuing crazy fines over petty issues.

I have no love for the HOAs. I just have not seen any reason given on why they would not have paid or issue they have had with the HOA.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, and they specifically mention in their interview that it is chilling to them (and that they will never forgive themselves...which is so touching) that they let him sleep across from their 4 year old. If they thought he only killed his wife because she killed the children, they would not have said that, IMO. They are chilled because they think he is guilty of the whole thing.

I absolutely agree. Their comments only make sense in light of the fact that they believe him to be a child killer. This man kills children, and they let him sleep in the room across from their child. They were horrified by that fact.

 

[NuttMegg]

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[Mosaic]

But who would assist him? LE has interviewed and didn’t arrest AP. Who else could there be? CW doesn’t have any friends, does he?

I wish I knew. I mean assistance/help during the disposal of their bodies. A coworker? Someone that could justify been on the oil field? Don't jump me; I'm not saying the AP. JMO

 

[ray9898]

Was that a different defense lawyer or PD who tried to get a judge to order the ME to take DNA from the throats of the little girls? At what point do we just lose all respect for the process.

'Lose respect for the process' over routine legal matters in a complex case being argued?

 

[Mosaic]

I think that he did it all by himself.

Agree. Most likely.

 

[BeanieBod]

SW told her friend that CW wanted a separation? What friend?

NUA

 

[FlossyMay]

NUA

I don't recall her saying that. I will rewatch the interview.

 

[NuttMegg]

NUA

I don't recall any report of that.

 

[Mrspratcher]

The defense needs to find ppl like that yes.. but doesn't the defense & the prosecution have to agree on jurors? It seemed like a "ok you can have this one if we get that one" type thing for the trial I was called for. Maybe @gitana1 or @Mrspratcher could help answer that.

Each state is different, but generally, each side gets a limited amount of peremptory challenges and unlimited for cause challenges. Peremptory challenges allow a potential juror to be excused for any reason other than race or gender.

For cause challenges are based on bias, inability to be impartial, etc.

Before the jury is impaneled, both sides must confirm they are satisfied with the jury.