Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[Hazelnutty]

To me, his story is just too ridiculous to give any consideration to.

I agree! His interviews were so disjointed, full of lies & odd commentary. How can anyone consider his confession as truth?

 

[Amandaaa]

Watts “cannot make out the government’s need for buccal swabs, finger and palm prints, nor digital photographs.”

Really? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why they would be requesting that. Weren't people suggesting he was intelligent? Surely they can find someone to 'splain that to him?

I think the defense is just doing their job - defending him - and protecting his constitutional rights, requiring the government to provide a more specific reason.
I understand how it may come across in this particular case - but think about it in the general sense... you don’t want the government to be allowed to come in and take whatever they want from you without being able to justify it.

 

[Mosaic]

But who would assist him? LE has interviewed and didn’t arrest AP. Who else could there be? CW doesn’t have any friends, does he?

No idea. Is just that the events and the timing don't add up. JMO

 

[ray9898]

Watts “cannot make out the government’s need for buccal swabs, finger and palm prints, nor digital photographs.”

Really? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why they would be requesting that. Weren't people suggesting he was intelligent? Surely they can find someone to 'splain that to him?

CW isn't writing motions to the court on matters of Constitutional law and evidentiary rules, obviously that is his attorneys work.

 

[Marli61]

One word = "betrayed"

Yes I'm sure they felt betrayed, but they also felt like they owed SW's family an apology for trying to help CW.
MOO

 

[katydid23]

We know for a fact their HOA, Wyndham Hill Masters Association, Inc., sued them for not paying their dues that totaled a little more than $688. The total they would spend with court costs were $1500+. Anything you decide happened based on your own experience is just that. People go through bankruptcy for many different reasons. It does not always clean the slate or put them in a better financial situation. If you can't pay $688 dollars in HOA dues, then you have financial problems. At no point have we heard there was an issue on why they did not pay.

They had enough money to pay 608 bucks, in my opinion.

We withheld our HOA fees over a dispute we were having with them. Many others in our neighborhood did as well. They put a 'lien' on our home for 2200 in dues owed. But we had already shown them a savings account, which held our monthly HOA dues of 325 bucks a month. We just weren't paying until they reopened the pool and tennis courts and stopped issuing crazy fines over petty issues.

 

[MassGuy]

The Thayers felt so bad. IIRC Mr. Thayer broke down at one point in the interview to say (paraphrased) "we just didn't know ".

They inadvertently let a murder into their home, and let him sleep in the room across from their daughter. I’m not blaming them, but that’s definitely enough to mess you up as a parent.

Their reaction was was what real shock and devastation looks like.

CW showed no such emotion.

He did use words like “surreal” and “nightmare though,” which is somehow enough for some people to believe him.

I think Scott Peterson may have said something similar. Of course he’s on death row.....

 

[NuttMegg]

Yes I'm sure they felt betrayed, but they also felt like they owed SW's family an apology for trying to help CW.
MOO

Definitely. Maybe betrayed is not the best word, I was just thinking of how I'd feel if I had a friend in my house for the night who was crying on my shoulder for a complete, vile, murderous lie.

 

[KathrynL]

I don’t actually mind if they fight everything. They are required to mount a vigorous defense and CW is owed that much by our judicial system. I think of it this way, the harder they fight for him at every turn, the fewer grounds he may some day have for an appeal based on ineffective counsel.

ITA. I think these public defenders are excellent attorneys and providing the vigorous defense on a potential death penalty case.

 

[PommyMommy]

The attorneys filed this motion if I’m correct and as it was explained further they are requesting a probable cause for this . It seems physical evidence had already been supplied by him and I think this motion by his attorneys referring by his name does not imply he is not intelligent , it implies the defense is doing their job .

Yes, you're correct. Attorneys filed the motion. And yes, they are doing their job which is a good thing.

 

[Marli61]

They inadvertently let a murder into their home, and let him sleep in the room across from their daughter. I’m not blaming them, but that’s definitely enough to mess you up as a parent.

Their reaction was was what real shock and devastation looks like.

CW showed no such emotion.

He did use words like “surreal” and “nightmare though,” which is somehow enough for some people to believe him.

I think Scott Peterson may have said something similar. Of course he’s on death row.....

Yes for sure.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

“Because of that,” his attorneys wrote, “Mr. Watts must conclude that the required seizure of Mr. Watts and the subsequent search of his person are unconstitutional...

Can someone explain this?

Couldn't find post to hop off of ....ebm

Previous from a verified attorney on the last thread mrspratcher


Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #26
"Ok, so as we all know, the 5th Amendment (also applicable to the states via the due process clause of the 14th Amendment) protects us from self-incrimination. However, the US Supreme Court has limited this to testimonial evidence. The motion filed by the State is for Non-Testimonial evidence. CW is arguing that the Court should ignore established US Supreme Court precedent and rule that non-testimonial evidence is covered under the protections afforded by the 5th/14th amendments.

If non-testimonial evidence is covered under the the 5th/14th amendment, then CW would be able to take the fifth and would not be required to provide the requested DNA, palm prints, fingerprints and pictures.

CW is asking that the Court defer to the Colorado constitution because it affords greater rights than the US constitution."

ETA..another by mrspratcher

Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #26

"The 4th Amendment to the US Constitution (applicable to the state’s via the 14th amendment), prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures. He’s arguing that the State lacks probable cause and this is an unreasonable request violative of the 4th/14th amendments. He does not want to comply until the State makes a more detailed explanation as to why they want his DNA, prints, picture, and palm prints."

This is why I am thinking that they are forcing the hand of the prosecution to release the cause of death on them. Because they are pushing the envelope to explain why they want the palm prints. How can they do that without saying the cause of death is strangulation?

 

[katydid23]

Ok first I assume he would been in shock . He did admit to killing his wife and disposing of the bodies . He kept saying words about how “unreal” this seemed. The phone had to be blowing up with family , friends , relatives etc contacting him. Secondly The Thayers also were shocked during their interview and nervously had a couple laughing moments . IMO the surreal knowing of where they were and killing his wife would be enough for that reaction . And doesn’t imply he necessarily killed the children . Just my opinion

Did he appear to be in shock during his porch interviews?

 

[PommyMommy]

I think the defense is just doing their job - defending him - and protecting his constitutional rights, requiring the government to provide a more specific reason.
I understand how it may come across in this particular case - but think about it in the general sense... you don’t want the government to be allowed to come in and take whatever they want from you without being able to justify it.

I think so too. Never did I say they weren't doing their job. We want them to do their job.

 

[PommyMommy]

CW isn't writing motions to the court on matters of Constitutional law and evidentiary rules, obviously that is his attorneys work.

Yes, I'm aware.

 

[NuttMegg]

I think the defense is just doing their job - defending him - and protecting his constitutional rights, requiring the government to provide a more specific reason.
I understand how it may come across in this particular case - but think about it in the general sense... you don’t want the government to be allowed to come in and take whatever they want from you without being able to justify it.

Was that a different defense lawyer or PD who tried to get a judge to order the ME to take DNA from the throats of the little girls? At what point do we just lose all respect for the process.

 

[Seattle1]

Ok first I assume he would been in shock . He did admit to killing his wife and disposing of the bodies . He kept saying words about how “unreal” this seemed. The phone had to be blowing up with family , friends , relatives etc contacting him. Secondly The Thayers also were shocked during their interview and nervously had a couple laughing moments . IMO the surreal knowing of where they were and killing his wife would be enough for that reaction . And doesn’t imply he necessarily killed the children . Just my opinion

Please give the Thayer's more credit. They took CW in to their home and reportedly wanted to help CW assemble a game plan: contact lists, organize search team, coordinate search with LE, and CW had no interest in looking for his family, and/or assist the Thayers to look for his family (understandably because he knew they were dead and where their bodies were).

Thayer's were left feeling scared, duped, betrayed, and apologetic to family, friends, and the public for supporting CW after he lied to them. CW did not confide in his close friends that SW allegedly killed the children because it would be another lie. LE charged CW with the death of SW and all the children because there is no evidence that SW killed her babies, and no truth to CW allegations.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

I wonder what SW FB posts would have looked like if she wasn’t involved with Thrive or if she didn’t use Thrive as a marketing platform. I think it still would have been mostly positive. I don’t think she would have posted a true reflection of her failing marriage on FB. I know some people do, but I don’t think she would have.
jmo, moo, imo

IMO, if SW was not involved with Thrive, I actually believe that SW's public face book page would have been more of a true reflection of what was really going on in her life ~ I base this on the point that SW shared openly on private face book page/pages. I think SW would have shared more of her personal struggles but because of the constant reinforcing of an image and the Thrive branding that was involved, I think SW had the incentive to only portray herself and her family as something they possibly might not have been in real life. I think it was an illusion whether realized or not realized. JMO

 

[Best of What's Around]

They inadvertently let a murder into their home, and let him sleep in the room across from their daughter. I’m not blaming them, but that’s definitely enough to mess you up as a parent.

Their reaction was was what real shock and devastation looks like.

CW showed no such emotion.

He did use words like “surreal” and “nightmare though,” which is somehow enough for some people to believe him.

I think Scott Peterson may have said something similar. Of course he’s on death row.....

YES. And, I think it is telling that mutual friends (without a long history with just one) like the Thayers do not appear to be putting any stock in CW's current version of events.

 

[Shekkiec]

Did he appear to be in shock during his porch interviews?

I am not a psychologist nor professional to gage a diagnosis but to me his actions do not further indict him as killing his girls .