Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[Charlot123]

Saliva can be tested for alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, amphetamines, and methamphetamines.

Yes, but not after so many days. And the tests are still of poor quality.

 

[Charlot123]

My husband worked in a coal mine. He would take clean clothes to work on Monday, change into them when he got to work, shower and change out of them when he finished, leave them in his locker and bring them home on Friday to be washed.
I had two washing machines, one for the family's (including his everyday clothes) and one for washing his work clothes. Y
You could not keep the coal dust out of the washing machine and it would taint the water.

Coal mine is very different. I was in one, I know. Powdered particles get into your pores and after just one trip, it would take a week to wash them out.

 

[Jennifer17]

Coal mine is very different. I was in one, I know. Powdered particles get into your pores and after just one trip, it would take a week to wash them out.

My husband had coal tatts, when there was a minor fall that caused abrasions the dust would stay there and be visible after they had healed.

 

[Mosaic]

Great point.

True. Sadly, people who has been murdered and placed on a steel table are not giving the chance of refusing any forensic evidence...
It was stolen from them by their murderers.

I have the utmost respect for LE , Forensic Experts and DA's that diligently strive for justice. JMO

 

[Charlot123]

When I saw the prosecution ask to seal the autopsy reports I thought they found evidence of SA, which would obviously be highly prejudicial and explosive in terms of controlling the media coverage of the case.

I don't think it is SA. And CW is not the only one to protect. It might be something totally different.

 

[Bill Carson]

A friend of mine got a Ring doorbell camera, and she said that as part of the subscription she can see video from her neighbor's Ring cameras, too. I wonder if CW could view the camera angle from his neighbor's house and he knew how to position his truck so he could load it without being recorded?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

But they are asking for a Polaroid Photograph so that seems to me they don't just want the prints they want the photographic image of the hands. I can't imagine a Polaroid photograph would help with finger prints?

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[K] PEOPLE'S MOTION FOR NON-TESTIMONIAL IDENTIFICATION PROCEDURE PURSUANT TO COLORADO RULES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, RULE 16 II (a) (1).pdf

1. In order to assist the agent/investigator in identifying the finger/palm print card as belonging to the correct individual, the People would hereby request that the defendant be ordered to submit to a clear and viewable Polaroid Photograph at the time that finger/palm prints are collected. This Polaroid photograph will be immediately stapled to the original finger/palm print card.
   
2. ETA - They also requested digital photographs of both hands.

 

[MassGuy]

A friend of mine got a Ring doorbell camera, and she said that as part of the subscription she can see video from her neighbor's Ring cameras, too. I wonder if CW could view the camera angle from his neighbor's house and he knew how to position his truck so he could load it without being recorded?

He certainly was aware of his neighbor's camera, as evidenced by him mentioning it during one of his interviews. I guess the question is, was he aware of it before the fact, or after?

 

[Mosaic]

My husband worked in a coal mine. He would take clean clothes to work on Monday, change into them when he got to work, shower and change out of them when he finished, leave them in his locker and bring them home on Friday to be washed.
I had two washing machines, one for the family's (including his everyday clothes) and one for washing his work clothes. Y
You could not keep the coal dust out of the washing machine and it would taint the water.

Lockers facilities usually have surveillance security cameras at the entrance. Those surveillance tapes most probable will clear up some gaps that we are wondering about.

 

[Jennifer17]

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[K] PEOPLE'S MOTION FOR NON-TESTIMONIAL IDENTIFICATION PROCEDURE PURSUANT TO COLORADO RULES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, RULE 16 II (a) (1).pdf

1. In order to assist the agent/investigator in identifying the finger/palm print card as belonging to the correct individual, the People would hereby request that the defendant be ordered to submit to a clear and viewable Polaroid Photograph at the time that finger/palm prints are collected. This Polaroid photograph will be immediately stapled to the original finger/palm print card.
   

Do you mean to make sure that it is actually him giving the prints?

 

[Bill Carson]

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[K] PEOPLE'S MOTION FOR NON-TESTIMONIAL IDENTIFICATION PROCEDURE PURSUANT TO COLORADO RULES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, RULE 16 II (a) (1).pdf

1. In order to assist the agent/investigator in identifying the finger/palm print card as belonging to the correct individual, the People would hereby request that the defendant be ordered to submit to a clear and viewable Polaroid Photograph at the time that finger/palm prints are collected. This Polaroid photograph will be immediately stapled to the original finger/palm print card.
   
2. ETA - They also requested digital photographs of both hands.

I think the polaroid picture is for chain of evidence. They need to prove that the handprints he makes are the same ones being analyzed.

ETA: Fourth person to answer question.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

Is it possible the camera across the street captured lights in different rooms going on and off upstairs and downstairs during the middle of the night? That could tell a story.

I live on a hill and there is a house directly across the street. Our lots average half an acre. Our Nest outdoor camera is set for 2 zones and alerts to sound and/or motion. It is mounted on a soffit overlooking our driveway and street.
I know when our neighbor’s motion flood lights go on and off, and tonight I got a sound alert-usually it’s birds- and I heard my neighbor talking on his cell as he paced on his driveway. That’s a first!
I don’t really see lights in their rooms go on and off due to the mature landscaping in their yard.


JMO and life experience

 

[Bill Carson]

I live on a hill and there is a house directly across the street. Our lots average half an acre. Our Nest outdoor camera is set for 2 zones and alerts to sound and/or motion. It is mounted on a soffit overlooking our driveway and street.
I know when our neighbor’s motion flood lights go on and off, and tonight I got a sound alert-usually it’s birds- and I heard my neighbor talking on his cell as he paced on his driveway. That’s a first!
I don’t really see lights in their rooms go on and off due to the mature landscaping in their yard.


JMO and life experience

Man, that's creepy. Personal privacy is a thing of the past, isn't it?

 

[MKZoo]

A friend of mine got a Ring doorbell camera, and she said that as part of the subscription she can see video from her neighbor's Ring cameras, too. I wonder if CW could view the camera angle from his neighbor's house and he knew how to position his truck so he could load it without being recorded?

That... totally weirds me out.

But it could explain why CW was aware that they had a camera.

 

[JudgeJudi]

One thing they noted was that he wan't interested in talking about their ideas of where the missing family might be. Nor did he want to discuss how to find them or how to spread the word. They thought it was very odd that they were focused upon trying to find their friends, and he seemed uninterested.

And spent most of the time looking at his phone. They were so concerned about his behaviour that they rang LE after he left their home.

 

[Mosaic]

He said, "I saw her when she got in but it was really quick, just because it was 2 am."

I heard the barely let me mumbling on the raw video. Not on the edited clip. Hope that helps. I'm way behind on the threads so probably it was already addressed.

 

[PommyMommy]

Shanann Watts
Goodnight all!

 

[Jennifer17]

A friend of mine got a Ring doorbell camera, and she said that as part of the subscription she can see video from her neighbor's Ring cameras, too. I wonder if CW could view the camera angle from his neighbor's house and he knew how to position his truck so he could load it without being recorded?

Where I live people can object to you filming you on your own property without your consent.
They can be ordered to point their cameras away from your property.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

Man, that's creepy. Personal privacy is a thing of the past, isn't it?

There is no privacy. And hasn’t been for years, especially if you spend a lot of time on the web or on social media. I’m amazed at the ads that pop up when you spend a lot of time on WS and other sites. Every keystroke...

I couldn’t make out what my neighbor was saying, but he likes to talk in his driveway and has the “wrong” cell service for our hilly hood. That would the no Service carrier.

Do you know what model of doorbell the neighbor had? Was it definitely a Ring?

JMO

 

[Bill Carson]

There is no privacy. And hasn’t been for years, especially if you spend a lot of time on the web or on social media. I’m amazed at the ads that pop up when you spend a lot of time on WS and other sites. Every keystroke...

I couldn’t make out what my neighbor was saying, but he likes to talk in his driveway and has the “wrong” cell service for our hilly hood. That would the no Service carrier.

Do you know what model of doorbell the neighbor had? Was it definitely a Ring?

JMO

No, I don't know what the neighbor had. I think CW had a Ring, but I don't know how I know that.

We don't think about audio being recorded, that's a whole new level. And I can't imagine how much trouble I would have gotten into if the Ring video doorbell existed when I was a teenager.