Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #31

[dgfred]

That's when I get most emotional though. I always have to have a box of kleenex with me when they begin.

It doesn't make very much sense tho:
Of course the person is heartbroken with their loss.
Of course a part of their life is now gone forever.
and so on...

The heartless criminal that killed them couldn't care less... and they have already been found guilty.

 

[human]

What do people think his plan was before it got derailed? Was it to bring them to the tanks? Did he have a grave dug? Digging is really hard. Are there rocks in the soil?

He must have known the size of the oil tank hole.

What time were they killed? If right away, that gives him three hours. If later, how does that fit a plan?

 

[idfinch]

The media is very interested in this case. I’m sure the majority of the requests are from them.

The WCCO has, however, received approximately 20 requests for the autopsy reports of the victims in this case. The WCCO began receiving requests on August 17, 2018 and the requests have continued through September 21, 2018. In addition to the written requests, there are numerous media outlets and their producers who continually telephone the WCCO, on a daily basis, requesting the autopsy reports and updates. Additionally, there have been a number of private individual requests (citizen requests) for the autopsy reports, by persons who do not appear to have any connection to this case.

BBM - that's why I asked, they specifically separated the requests from media and from private citizens. Could be solo reporters wanting to sell a story?

 

[human]

"Additionally, there have been a number of private individual requests (citizen requests) for the autopsy reports, by persons who do not appear to have any connection to this case."

There must be a reason for these citizen requests because the average sleuther or citizen stalking them feels extremely creepy IMO. Would this be any kind of experts or ? I'm looking for a better reason.

Media? Bloggers? Authors?

 

[human]

Maybe SW or CW family

Do you think either would want to read them? Horrifying

 

[dgfred]

What do people think his plan was before it got derailed? Was it to bring them to the tanks? Did he have a grave dug? Digging is really hard. Are there rocks in the soil?

He must have known the size of the oil tank hole.

What time were they killed? If right away, that gives him three hours. If later, how does that fit a plan?

All three to the tanks.
Misjudged weight and lividity with SW
Grave was possibly temporary and hastily dug.
I think killed closer to 5am... due to lack of anything else being done with her stuff/etc (then again, not sure what he could have done with her/their stuff) except take it all to the tanks.

 

[Jennifer17]

Do you think either would want to read them? Horrifying

I had to read my child's autopsy report and sign that I had read it and was satisfied with it.

 

[mtnlites]

Do you think either would want to read them? Horrifying

Absolutely. We requested that the autopsy and toxicology report be over-nighted to us. As a parent, even though it's difficult to read, it's worse when you leave things up to your imagination. For many of us, the autopsy offers a certain amount of closure.

 

[WildWest]

"Additionally, there have been a number of private individual requests (citizen requests) for the autopsy reports, by persons who do not appear to have any connection to this case."

There must be a reason for these citizen requests because the average sleuther or citizen stalking them feels extremely creepy IMO. Would this be any kind of experts or ? I'm looking for a better reason.

The WCCO has, however, received approximately 20 requests for the autopsy reports of the victims in this case. The WCCO began receiving requests on August 17, 2018 and the requests have continued through September 21, 2018. In addition to the written requests, there are numerous media outlets and their producers who continually telephone the WCCO, on a daily basis, requesting the autopsy reports and updates. Additionally, there have been a number of private individual requests (citizen requests) for the autopsy reports, by persons who do not appear to have any connection to this case.

BBM - that's why I asked, they specifically separated the requests from media and from private citizens. Could be solo reporters wanting to sell a story?

Caught my eye too, friends and families or media places?

 

[Davia18]

What do people think his plan was before it got derailed? Was it to bring them to the tanks? Did he have a grave dug? Digging is really hard. Are there rocks in the soil?

He must have known the size of the oil tank hole.

What time were they killed? If right away, that gives him three hours. If later, how does that fit a plan?

I think he smothered the girls first, using pillows hence why pillow cases thrown away.
I believe he already had them moved to the garage when SW got home or both girls where in his bed. My hope is SW never knew the girls where deceased. I believe he killed SW very shortly after she arrived home. I'm unsure of the plan after the fact if he planned on coming home and disposing of everything including her vehicle and then report her missing or if planned on coming home and staging the scene to look like a struggle took place and the family was missing. I feel the dumping sight was pre planned. SW I feel was meant to be put in a tank but he couldn't get her in. Whether opening to small or to heavy for him. I also think he would have moved SW when he could.
Of course all 100% my opinion.

 

[Jenni]

I do not believe that his father will be supportive of CW. Those were his grandchildren too!

 

[MerryB]

They don't have it to give.
1. As of this date, the People have not received the autopsy reports at issue. The People contacted the Weld County Coroner’s Office (herein referred to as WCCO), and the WCCO has not received the final reports from the forensic pathologist.

5. The People are well aware of their Rule 16 obligations and have every intention of providing Counsel for Defendant the reports, upon receipt, via the discovery process.

Edit: Shoot, forgot the link...
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/(S) People's Response to Defendant's Motion (D-038) and Court's Order C-14.pdf

Thank you. I understand that the prosecution is saying they don’t have the report & realize they are required to share with the defense...but I see nothing about extending the deadline in that motion. So I was just wondering if the deadline has changed from today.

 

[Davia18]

Do you think either would want to read them? Horrifying

I sure wouldn't. But they def want to know the evidence which I'm sure the prosecution will let SW family know the results ?

 

[Shekkiec]

My opinion is that he absolutely did this.

Here’s my question for you: If a person close to the defendant were to give you “inside information” as to SW’s character, perhaps to go as far as besmirching her character while building up that of CW, would that influence you in any way?

What I’m asking is, would you be swayed by another person’s words? A person with a vested interest.

It’s hypothetical of course. But what I’m getting at is, how much weight would you give the account of a witness?

The charges against the defendant are not evidence

*You must assume innocent until proven guilty - CW is innocent until proven guilty that may be hard to do but it’s the law

*You must not be influenced by SYMPATHY bias or prejudice reaching this decision -
It is hard to imagine the little girls suffering and I sympathize with the family but I can’t base guilt on that

*If you find from the evidence of the prosecution that one or more elements has not been proven by prosecution you should find them not guilty -as of now we have very limited evidence to support any theory as to what happened . No autopsy , no testimony just what we glean from our limited view . So by this definition if I find at least one element not proven to a reasonable doubt I can’t assume guilt . I find at least one of them not proven yet.

*the defendant is supposed to be judged by the crime of this case and no other
Trying to separate guilt of SW and disposal from the girls when I’m looking at facts bc he has confessed to those

*each count should be considered separately not linked to previous charges
Again I am separating charges which is what by law you should do . I can’t do a guilty blanket to cover all bases

This is what is weighing my opinion. As far as “inside “ information I have only the facts you do . I am a very independent thinker and I only trust information that is collaborated or supported by evidence. I research everything and everyone bc that is the only way I can try to get an understanding . Do I think SW was abusive verbally ? yes . From watching her videos I am disturbed by them . She reminds me of my abusive ex husband so if that counts as inside information than I try to separate it to be fair because I can’t see as much of him. I think most of you would assume I am not easily swayed by me being a minority’s view in this forum lol A witness testimony about both of their character is important to me . I look at hers as well not to Victim Shame her but as an accused person and to see if that accusation could be true .
I would give weight to no matter if for defense or prosecution. I immediately wanted to believe he was guilty . I saw those kids and thought of his baby and wife and wanted guilt . But I was basing that on emotion . I want to know the truth and the details and I need evidence bc that is the only way justice can be served. I have stated many times this is my opinion.

 

[human]

I think he smothered the girls first, using pillows hence why pillow cases thrown away.
I believe he already had them moved to the garage when SW got home or both girls where in his bed. My hope is SW never knew the girls where deceased. I believe he killed SW very shortly after she arrived home. I'm unsure of the plan after the fact if he planned on coming home and disposing of everything including her vehicle and then report her missing or if planned on coming home and staging the scene to look like a struggle took place and the family was missing. I feel the dumping sight was pre planned. SW I feel was meant to be put in a tank but he couldn't get her in. Whether opening to small or to heavy for him. I also think he would have moved SW when he could.
Of course all 100% my opinion.

How could he ditch the vehicle? I did not relaize no mountains there until people pointed it out.

He could drive it somewhere and then run home. But where?

 

[Davia18]

How could he ditch the vehicle? I did not relaize no mountains there until people pointed it out.

He could drive it somewhere and then run home. But where?

I don't know the area at all, but I guess I would take to the airport parking lot and take uber back home. JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes, they said they were still waiting upon the information from a forensic pathologist.

That maybe somebody that they actually out sourced which would be great at trial because they could say possibly that there is no way that fingerprints could be on the neck because fingerprints are lipids, and oil and lipids would be dissolved. Or something such as that. I'm glad they have brought in a forensic pathologist to assist the medical examiner before she gives her opinion. It will nail it down. And it may also nail down the red herring that the defense put forth as to that there would be finger prints on the children's neck from her, when everybody knew in that field that there could not be fingerprints if it was an oil?

I think it was a great strategy by the prosecution to do such, well I mean, the medical examiner. Is I'm not sure that every city has a forensic pathologist on its staff. So it might be an outsourced expert.

ETA- I had to giggle at the post above when I was proofreading, because I have no idea if the medical examiner is a woman, but I referred her as a woman. Perhaps I was thinking of the medical examiner we have here in the threads but I haven't seen in a long time, and I can't remember her name.



ETA- I just remembered her name, Joypath iirc, I wonder if we should invite her to this thread?

The Coroner is a "he." LOL
History of the Coroners - Weld County
They have many experts available.
http://www.coloradocoroners.org/links/ForensicExpertsandHelpfulTelephoneNumbers.pdf
MOO

 

[pocketaccent]

I don't know the area at all, but I guess I would take to the airport parking lot and take uber back home. JMO

Good idea but LE will find out about the Uber ride soon enough.

 

[Madison418]

I thought they were required to turn it over to the defense by today as part of the discovery process? Is that not right?

The prosecution has not received the report themselves. They were just being proactive

 

[esayer]

Is this OT or allowed in this thread? Just wanted to illustrate what a scared parent of a missing child looks like. Is there a Maddox Ritch thread? Here is Carrie Ritch pleading to the public to look for Maddox who has been missing 3 days. Mom of missing 6-year-old: Maddox is my whole world, my reason for living