Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

[MsBetsy]

I can tell you that. I write knitting patterns. 16 to 18 inches circumference. That is just average.
That is for a four year old. Average only.

I just saw this! I wrote the same thing a minute ago. I wasnt exactly sure, though.

 

[Elizabeth Lavenza]

I don't see how their shoulders could have fit through, even being contorted.

If diameter of the opening at the top of the vat is 8 inches (as AB experts reported), the circumference is slightly over 25 inches. It is heartbreaking to think about.

 

[Jennifer17]

I thought it was 8 inches in diameter.

Much more likely.

 

[human]

Sociopaths live among us. MOO

That is what I think. Sociopath. 33 years of fooling people. People thinking he was a quiet introvert and the whole time he was a monster,

 

[bonjoviblonde]

If the diameter of the opening is 8 inches the circumference would be about 25 inches.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I have a 4 year old niece. I’ll figure out a way to check the viability of this tomorrow.

I hesitated bringing this up, but I saw some people on an FB group (I have now deleted...so don't shoot the messenger!) measuring their 3, 4, and 5 year olds across the shoulders. They were between about 8-9.5" so it is possible to have fit. Someone mentioned a dislocated shoulder would do it. Sorry, did not want to post this!

 

[Jennifer17]

I think the head would be 16 - 18 inches around, give or take a couple inches.

Sorry, I did not see that you had written that, but not even a couple of inches either side IMO, half to 3/4, I think.

 

[gitana1]

Yeah, I'm not sure what the jury will think of his story that she went into a sudden rage and killed the kids prompting him to go into a rage and kill her. Jmo

It's lunacy.

 

[Jennifer17]

If the diameter of the opening is 8 inches the circumference would be about 25 inches.

An average four year old would have a hip measurement of 24 inches.

 

[PommyMommy]

Goodnight everyone.

Bella, Pledge of Allegiance
Shanann Watts

CeCe Earrings
Shanann Watts

Bella's 4th Birthday
Shanann Watts

Fun at School?
Shanann Watts

 

[molly1255]

there are videos also where Shanann also shows her gratitude for being able to stay at home with her babies rather than work 2 jobs to support their lifestyle which seem to include the expenses of CW's affair (affairs?). I hope the income she was earning to afford the vacations CW seemed to enjoy per SM also afforded enrichment opportunities for her daughters.imo

I agree. An as aside, the other day there was discussion about who handled the finances in the family - CW or SW. My thoughts are that CW was in control of the money because he needed to be to hide his extra-marital activity from SW. In the months before this all happened, SW seemed confused and was questioning a couple of friends about whether CW could be having an affair and then it seem she talked talked herself out of that idea.

JMO, if SW was the one who handled the finances, she would have known that money was missing and he would not have been able to account for it. She would have figured out what was going on with him much sooner. Affairs cost money.

My opinion is he kept SW in the dark for as long as he could.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

That is what I think. Sociopath. 33 years of fooling people. People thinking he was a quiet introvert and the whole time he was a monster,

Maybe, CW had traits of sociopath and the right conditions or actually, the not so right conditions, set him off.
He could have chosen a different path, that's what sets him aside from normal people. No matter how angry we are with our SO, murder is never the answer.
There are a small amount of 'people' that can think it and make it happen, then cover it up like nothing happened.
Our normal brains can't compute this but we have to accept it however difficult.

 

[FlossyMay]

Have y'all tried to visualize this? Him holding them by their arms and lowering them into that dark hole as the sun comes up? It's straight out of a nightmare. How do you do that and then carry on with your day. Smiling at people, checking his phone, sleeping in that empty house where his whole family died. Wth?

 

[Thepoet]

Came back for just a moment. This, about the children, really haunts me. I can't stop thinking about it and a couple of thoughts occurred to me.

If he drained the tanks, wouldn't that trip sensors? From all I've read the tanks would have sensors to detect theft or a leak. And wouldn't he know that? If both tanks were almost full where would he drain into? Finally, I'm seeing premeditation here. I'm thinking he checked out the tanks, was familiar with the openings, and with the sensors. He knew that he couldn't put both girls in one tank without affecting volume. IMO this changes things, removes any doubts.

 

[molly1255]

An average four year old would have a hip measurement of 24 inches.

It will be some time before we likely see the autopsy reports, but I think we need to brace ourselves as the reports are probably going to show some very serious damage to the bodies of those sweet little girls.

 

[MsBetsy]

If diameter of the opening at the top of the vat is 8 inches (as AB experts reported), the circumference is slightly over 25 inches. It is heartbreaking to think about.

That was my next question, thank you! Not a math person. Ok so the heads would fit, but SW's body would not fit at all. That solves that mystery.

 

[Jennifer17]

I agree. An as aside, the other day there was discussion about who handled the finances in the family - CW or SW. My thoughts are that CW was in control of the money because he needed to be to hide his extra-marital activity from SW. In the months before this all happened, SW seemed confused and was questioning a couple of friends about whether CW could be having an affair and then it seem she talked talked herself out of that idea.

JMO, if SW was the one who handled the finances, she would have known that money was missing and he would not have been able to account for it. She would have figured out what was going on with him much sooner. Affairs cost money.

My opinion is he kept SW in the dark for as long as he could.

Except for the same sex partner whom he was supposed to buy skin care items for, I am not sure that he was a big spender on dates. He purportedly took one the the chicken place that I can never remember what it is called.
Fast food joint on a romantic date? Count me out.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Goodnight everyone.

Bella, Pledge of Allegiance
Shanann Watts

CeCe Earrings
Shanann Watts

Bella's 4th Birthday
Shanann Watts

Fun at School?
Shanann Watts

Goodnight PommyMommy, thank you for all the links and searching you do so the thread makes sense! Sleep well.

 

[Serena Angelique]

Shaman often refers to taking the kids to school. We know that Bella was actually supposed to start kindergarten a week or so from that fateful Sunday/Monday... and with Cece one year younger... what kind of school. With shanann as a SAHM were the kids in daycare anyway?

They were in daycare part-time at a Primrose School close to their home and active in that community.

The school has a kindergarten (their last grade. Not sure if Bella was starting there or in a different school but SW gave it a glowing review.

 

[cailleach]

Have y'all tried to visualize this? Him holding them by their arms and lowering them into that dark hole as the sun comes up? It's straight out of a nightmare. How do you do that and then carry on with your day. Smiling at people, checking his phone, sleeping in that empty house where his whole family died. Wth?

The thing is I don't think he could simply lower them into the thief hole. It appears he had to work at getting them through the 8" diameter opening.