Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #35

[Shekkiec]

I am wondering why they moved when the financial cost was big. She had that nice home that she took a big hit on.

If her nanny family was moving, that makes some sense. Do nannies make that much?

Not to support a house of that value imo that would be quite rare.

 

[MassGuy]

Not to support a house of that value imo that would be quite rare.

What are you getting at exactly? Say the house was beyond her means, what’s the relevance to this case?

 

[Seattle1]

@tmar said: ↑
In CW's maintenance role, would he be cleaning out the tanks, when empty?
Would he be removing, what remains in the tanks?

He may have been involved in it, but he wouldn't have done it by himself.

It's a dangerous job and crews must be TWIC certified. Tank cleaning usually outsourced to Hazardous Waste firms.

 

[PommyMommy]

@PommyMommy I did answer the question you posed about the quick sale of home and furniture and provided the link. I think you are confused about the original post by [USER=115875]@MerryB below. I will attempt to find the link to support @MerryB post as I also recall reading it before as well.[/USER]


[URL='https://www.websleuths.com/forums/members/merryb.115875/']MerryB[/URL], [URL='https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/co-shanann-watts-34-celeste-cece-3-and-bella-4-frederick-13-aug-2018-arrest-35.392969/page-35#post-14438922']Today at 11:26 AM[/URL]
SW moved out there first. She lived with the family she nannied for. CW followed with a U-Haul shortly after.

SW [B]“hurried to sell her residence and left furniture behind as part of the sale,”[/B] [B]the buyer told the Associated Press. [/B]A deed for the NC house was signed in August 2012 while SW was living in Colorado, property records show.

CW worked as a mechanic at the same dealership SW did Internet sales for in her free time. They lived with the family SW nannied for during this time. Their boss has been quoted as saying, “He was very passive. She was very aggressive with him. Bossy. Do this. Do that. Telling him what to do. Dominating the relationship. That I do know.”

The couple bought their home in 2013. CW’s name was on the deed.
Bella was born the same year.

They filed for bankruptcy in 2015 with over $400,000 in debt. CeCe was born shortly after.

No, I am not confused at all. The article linked does not include the QUOTE I asked about (the sentence with quotation marks). Specifically, the quote in MerryB's post was:

SW “hurried to sell her residence and left furniture behind as part of the sale,” the buyer told the Associated Press.
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But no worries, because I found it myself. It's just not in quotation marks in the article as I suspected.

From the article:

Then named Shanann King, she hurried to sell her residence and left furniture behind as part of the sale, the buyer told the Associated Press.

(NO QUOTATION MARKS)
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‘Everyone Liked Him’: Did Colorado Dad Chris Watts Lead a Double Life?

See what I mean? When you use quotation marks, it indicates a direct quote, which is supposed to mean exactly what someone said.

I'll give you an example. The first sentence below is paraphrased. It is NOT a DIRECT QUOTE. The second sentence (see the quotation marks?) is a DIRECT QUOTE.

1. Falls said he didn't meet Shanann Watts and that an agent handled the closing for her.
2. "I just knew that she wanted to sell the house quickly, and from my understanding she was moving out west to Colorado," he said.

And here is a LINK to the DIRECT QUOTE: Bodies of missing wife, daughters found in Colorado

MOO

 

[Shekkiec]

What are you getting at exactly? Say the house was beyond her means, what’s the relevance to this case?

I am curious to where the financial debt started to increase . Many times there is a correlation between financial debt and marital problems. It seems this marriage started out with huge debt and maybe SW did like to live beyond her means imo. It seems as if with the HOA lawsuit pending now it makes me wonder if they could have been in debt further than I originally thought. That’s why I was curious about the school change and even the lapsed membership in March at the faculty SW family had a private vigil at mentioned on AB

 

[katydid23]

You never know! Scott Peterson is just as horrendous!

True, a pregnant wife, tied to a concrete slab and dropped into the SF Bay, on Christmas Eve...pretty horrendous as well.

 

[Seattle1]

She was not a co-owner. I will edit to add court docs if allowed.

I believe sleuthing private business and warnings were issued about this violation several threads ago. Has nothing to do with this case..

 

[Best of What's Around]

I am curious to where the financial debt started to increase . Many times there is a correlation between financial debt and marital problems. It seems this marriage started out with huge debt and maybe SW did like to live beyond her means imo. It seems as if with the HOA lawsuit pending now it makes me wonder if they could have been in debt further than I originally thought. That’s why I was curious about the school change and even the lapsed membership in March at the faculty SW family had a private vigil at mentioned on AB

1 We have discussed the HOA lawsuit and how it is not dispositive of financial ruin...it could be a dispute. We just do not know.
2 SW did not file bankruptcy to my knowledge at anytime before her marriage. The bankruptcy is both of theirs.
3 We have no evidence that it was SW living outside her means only and not also CW.
4 We do not yet have any concrete evidence of serious financial issues at the time of the murders.
5 This is all speculation. We do not know the reasons why there was a school change. Since Bella was attending a private school, I do not see how that proves financial problems.

 

[MassGuy]

I am curious to where the financial debt started to increase . Many times there is a correlation between financial debt and marital problems. It seems this marriage started out with huge debt and maybe SW did like to live beyond her means imo. It seems as if with the HOA lawsuit pending now it makes me wonder if they could have been in debt further than I originally thought. That’s why I was curious about the school change and even the lapsed membership in March at the faculty SW family had a private vigil at mentioned on AB

We know that there were big financial problems, as evidenced by the bankruptcy.

There is no reason to believe that things improved, especially in the time leading up to the murders.

In most family annihilator cases, financial problems are present. There is every reason to believe that that was one of the precipitating stressors to this terrible crime.

Financial problems may not have been CW’s only motive though, as we see some other likely factors here.

 

[BelleIsle]

No person is responsible for filling them. The oil is pumped into the tanks by an oil derrick (pumper).
I don't know if his was a Union job. My husband's wasn't. I don't know how to put links on here, but the best thing you can do to understand is to Google "oil production".

Thank you! Okay, I was just wondering if there was a way that CW could have messed with the levels, either by allowing for the extra weight physically or by using whatever gauges measure it. Usually for Union jobs they have a very strict protocol about who is allowed to do what...as far as jobs/production go. Thanks again.

 

[Shekkiec]

We know that there were big financial problems, as evidenced by the bankruptcy.

There is no reason to believe that things improved, especially in the time leading up to the murders.

In most family annihilator cases, financial problems are present. There is every reason to believe that that was one of the precipitating stressors to this terrible crime.

Financial problems may not have been CW’s only motive though, as we see some other likely factors here.

It could have also perhaps been a motive for her as well. Imo

 

[katydid23]

I am curious to where the financial debt started to increase . Many times there is a correlation between financial debt and marital problems. It seems this marriage started out with huge debt and maybe SW did like to live beyond her means imo. It seems as if with the HOA lawsuit pending now it makes me wonder if they could have been in debt further than I originally thought. That’s why I was curious about the school change and even the lapsed membership in March at the faculty SW family had a private vigil at mentioned on AB

SW was the one who 'liked to live beyond her means?' Wasn't CW making financial decisions as well? He was the one whose name was on the papers for buying the 5 bedroom, 3 car garage, brand new home. Wasn't that his decision ?

I saw him test driving those new cars on video...wasn't that his decision? He seemed to be all onboard for having a 3rd child. Couldn't have happened without him. Wasn't that a joint decision too?

 

[Shekkiec]

I believe sleuthing private business and warnings were issued about this violation several threads ago. Has nothing to do with this case..

The reports may have come up under her name if she was part of a lawsuit without sleuthing a business. Are county records allowed?

 

[NuttMegg]

maybe SW did like to live beyond her means imo.

why would you limit it to Shan'nan liking to live beyond her means, but not CW?

 

[MassGuy]

It could have also perhaps been a motive for her as well. Imo

The evidence simply doesn’t indicate that as even being a remote possibility.

Every single known fact, points a finger at one person, CW.

To believe his story, is to ignore evidence, precedent, lies, and a grotesque coverup.

Loving fathers protect their children, not themselves.

This story has unfortunately, been played out many times before, and will inevitably happen again.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Materials are not free even if labor is

They could've been free for CW and SW if Dad paid for materials. Maybe the new cabinets were a gift to them. If my father were a cabinet maker, I highly doubt he would make me pay for them in any way. JMO.

 

[MKZoo]

1 We have discussed the HOA lawsuit and how it is not dispositive of financial ruin...it could be a dispute. We just do not know.
2 SW did not file bankruptcy to my knowledge at anytime before her marriage. The bankruptcy is both of theirs.
3 We have no evidence that it was SW living outside her means only and not also CW.
4 We do not yet have any concrete evidence of serious financial issues at the time of the murders.
5 This is all speculation. We do not know the reasons why there was a school change. Since Bella was attending a private school, I do not see how that proves financial problems.

I think this is an important point. Whatever their financial situation was at the time of the bankruptcy and at the time of the murders was mutually their responsibility. I don’t believe that SW single handedly lived beyond their means. I am pretty comfortable assuming that CW was an active participant in his own life. So whatever the situation was, it was on him too.

 

[Shekkiec]

1 We have discussed the HOA lawsuit and how it is not dispositive of financial ruin...it could be a dispute. We just do not know.
2 SW did not file bankruptcy to my knowledge at anytime before her marriage. The bankruptcy is both of theirs.
3 We have no evidence that it was SW living outside her means only and not also CW.
4 We do not yet have any concrete evidence of serious financial issues at the time of the murders.
5 This is all speculation. We do not know the reasons why there was a school change. Since Bella was attending a private school, I do not see how that proves financial problems.

Again looking at all aspects imo we know CW financed the home alone in Colorado so I would assume his credit was good at that point imo

 

[MassGuy]

Again looking at all aspects imo we know CW financed the home alone in Colorado so I would assume his credit was good at that point imo

It’s great to looks at all aspects, but we should never look at them to the exclusion of others.

Some things cannot be ignored, not if we want to determine the truth.

She could have been a controlling partner, spent recklessly, verbally abused her husband, been too focused on her business, and it pales in comparison to the known facts here.

 

[MerryB]

I believe sleuthing private business and warnings were issued about this violation several threads ago. Has nothing to do with this case..

Thank you for the kind reminder. That is why I asked if the public court records could be linked here, but did not post.