Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

[Nessa131]

Under the circumstances, that was quick!!

The defense will now review it and decide whether they too want it to be sealed. If so, the media has the opportunity to demand it's released.

So first the defense will respond to the people's motion. Then the media will have their say via responses to the motion.

Then the judge will make a decision.

Let me see what the timeline in the original order says.

Thank you so much!!

 

[MerryB]

That's very possible, that friends and family of CW have been advised to keep a low profile. That doesn't mean what they have to say would be good. We don't know, until it comes out.

I agree that we don’t know. But many people here are saying that because we haven’t heard from them, it must be bad. I disagree.

 

[Best of What's Around]

They felt safe enough to have him in their house and if you listen to the interview which I can provide link they were extremely surprised. Nick Thayer even ran with them , they had holidays together . I thought the question was related to signs of character beforehand imo

Yes, but what is telling is that several people now who knew them both and saw no character flaws before the murders, all appear to believe he is guilty (that have come forward to date). IMO, the evidence is just too much for even them to seriously entertain that he could be telling the truth in his confession. The Thayers were crying at the thought they let him stay across from their 5 year old daughter.

 

[flourish]

I’m sorry for your loss, and having to know the person responsible is now free. IMO life should mean life.

(He wasn't sentenced to life; he served his entire sentence to the day) I hope this off-topic post can be okay since I'm clarifying something)

 

[MKZoo]

We don't. I've seen no evidence that he's had close ones except Mr. Thayer who now apparently believes he's guilty.

The people who spoke about him - high school acquaintance, roommate, high school teacher, a girl he knew in high school who kept in touch with him via FB - all sort of made statements that indicate to me he was a bit of a loner. Withdrawn. Not good with the ladies. Didn't respond to the girls who liked him. Studious.

I haven't heard anything or seen anything to indicate any close ties to friends beyond the Thayers.

One thing that stood out to me during the interview with the roommate from NASCAR tech school was when he mentioned how HLN/AB "found him". It sounded sort of accidental. I think they were looking for some other person with the same name and ran across him by happenstance (I don't fully recall). What that indicated to me was that the media is actively looking for CW's friends and having a hard time finding them. I fully understand that some of them probably want nothing to do with this story, but it's still telling that are having to look that hard. Jmo.

 

[Kensie]

The host of the last birthday party they went to, Jeremy Lindstrom, spoke very highly of CW. He said CW was a great guy, always there to help, but he still thought CW committed all 3 murders. He was pretty much shocked by the way everything went down.

I remember the birthday party Dad speaking highly of CW, now that you mention it.
I would just keep my trap shut - I would be too nervous to say anything anyway.

I am a very quiet person, I love quiet, but so far in my life I have not committed murder of my family.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, but what is telling is that several people now who knew them both and saw no character flaws before the murders, all appear to believe he is guilty. IMO, the evidence is just too much for even them to seriously entertain that he could be telling the truth in his confession. The Thayers were crying at the thought they let him stay across from their 5 year old daughter.

I think it’s incredibly admirable that they aren’t being blinded by emotion, and living in denial.

No one wants to believe that they let a monster into their home, a home also inhabited by their young child.

I feel so bad for these people, but they only saw what other people saw. A carefully crafted facade.

 

[tmar]

I honestly do not care how he is feeling. I hope he is miserable. Anyone that can dump toddlers down oil tanks, I have no use for and don't care how they feel.

CW on suicide watch, observed every 15 mins.
Recently, breakfast was served to person accused in jail (Laura Wallen's case), when next observed in 15 mins, the accuser had committed suicide, days before the trial.

 

[esayer]

What time is it? It's AB time!

Autopsies delivered, why did it take so long? Don't know when we will know COD, SW didn't have a will. Family doing paperwork.

CW address is Weld cty jail (yep we know). CW probably reading docs about property ownership. Section in court filing estimated value of real estate and property left blank.

Annual income expected from Thrive not listed. Seems there is a sense of urgency, Frank SW dad, says he wants to take care of time sensitive affairs, life insurance, her car. Req for emergency hearing. If u die without a will spouse gets everything. If you die because of your spouse, then they need a hearing for the estate.

Kids' life insurance and SW life insurance, might go to SW parents.

CW is probably mad, boohoo.

Is it a problem she didn't have a will? No, because her kids are dead and it won't go to CW. so they would have changed it anyway if she had a will.

There will be a telephone court hearing about and CW will have to talk to SW's family. Ugh.
Defense lawyer will tell CW not to say anything on the call.

(Sorry I have to take a call, missing some stuff.)

OK we are back. Why would CW kill his entire family? LE says he killed them all. (Seriously). Jeffery McDonald similarities: JM a big shot guy, married Collette, had 2 kids, one night JM came home, called LE, blamed it on hippies.

Old interview with JM and Larry King. They are going in depth about JM. Both families had 2 young daughters, both wives were preggo, they both had affairs, and JM had latent homosexual fantasies. Collette called family said she needs help, her fam said you're fine stick it out.

Fam Annihilator profile again...and break! OK

Self Righteous Killer: Feels the wife has let family down
Disappointed: Family has let him down
Enomic: Money problems.
Paraniod: Believes system is after him. All are narcissistic

Talking about a bunch of killers murdering pregnant wives. A lot of these guys were doing well in society, successful, seem to have it together. More dudes like CW. There are a lot. Has something to do with the fact that women are more independent, might be a backlash against womens' independence. And Break (What are the 4 L's?? Next!)

4Ls, that you can narrow down motivation:

Love Lust Lucher(money) Loathing

Officers start with rational choice. What is risk/reward of criminology. In this case, all 4 Ls could possibly apply.

Question: Do you think it's possible CW was having affairs and SW assumed they were women, maybe she threatened him about a man affair?

Randy says: After the break!

What was CW up to sexshually? Woman at work cooperating. Randy! What was he up to what were the motives? It's important to remember only 50 days have elapsed. And not much info. CW was getting buff, not concentrating on family...

If it's proven Shanann killed kids could still get convicted for disposing bodies.

Was SW buried w wedding ring? Probably not. Kind of a boring episode.

 

[Shekkiec]

We don't. I've seen no evidence that he's had close ones except Mr. Thayer who now apparently believes he's guilty.

The people who spoke about him - high school acquaintance, roommate, high school teacher, a girl he knew in high school who kept in touch with him via FB - all sort of made statements that indicate to me he was a bit of a loner. Withdrawn. Not good with the ladies. Didn't respond to the girls who liked him. Studious.

I haven't heard anything or seen anything to indicate any close ties to friends beyond the Thayers.

Wasn’t he at a barbecue at a friend’s home? I would think any one from work would not be able to comment bc of company guidelines. I recall hearing nothing but positive before this and as far as a loner it seemed both he and she were active together with other couples in the neighborhood and business . Imo when you are married most of the time you have couple friends and work friends. You must also remember they were in another state than the old friends from childhood. To classify one as a loner I would think he would retreat from social gatherings which I have not heard that case. In fact they both seemed very social on retreats and both seemed to mingle quite well. What action makes you signify a loner? @Colorado303 @isalybra @Trinket78 do you feel C.W. was a loner?

 

[ZsaZsa]

AB says SW had no will. Family that were in Colorado this week, filed paperwork for Probate. Edit to add -SW father asked for an Emergency hearing.

 

[MerryB]

Could be, although I would think the defense would want positive stories and opinions put out about CW. He needs all the help he can get at this point.

I’m not a lawyer, but I would guess his counsel would prefer their client be tried in court rather than a media war.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Yes, but what is telling is that several people now who knew them both and saw no character flaws before the murders, all appear to believe he is guilty. IMO, the evidence is just too much for even them to seriously entertain that he could be telling the truth in his confession. The Thayers were crying at the thought they let him stay across from their 5 year old daughter.

Exactly. Several people who knew him and liked him very much have now heard his confession as well as the evidence we know so far and believe him to be guilty and are upset by it. They thought they knew a person and now realize they did not. We hear this time and time again when someone commits crimes like this. Most of the time people are shocked. It's human nature to want to know WHY someone would do this. I always want to know as well but the truth is we can't always know the why. It's not always going to make sense to us.

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes, but what is telling is that several people now who knew them both and saw no character flaws before the murders, all appear to believe he is guilty. IMO, the evidence is just too much for even them to seriously entertain that he could be telling the truth in his confession. The Thayers were crying at the thought they let him stay across from their 5 year old daughter.

Yes, the Thayer's apologized for defending him and JL said he was dumbfounded and that there were no indicators of any possible problem in the family. Basically what all friends say about family annihilators.

http://www.crimeonline.com/2018/08/18/hed-help-you-out-chris-watts-close-friend-dumbfounded-to-hear-he-allegedly-killed-pregnant-wife-and-tots/As

CrimeOnline previously reported, close friends of the Watts family, Nick and Amanda Thayer, apologized for initially defending Chris Watts upon the disappearance of his wife, Shanann, and two toddler girls.

“I’m so sorry,” Nick Thayer said. “We didn’t know. We thought we were doing the right thing. That’s all I can do is say that we’re sorry that we defended him on social media. We really had no idea that he was capable of doing something [like that]. I hate it.”

The Thayers were not alone in feeling duped by the accused killer. As KNXV reported, Jeremy Lindstrom was close to the family and hosted a birthday party they attended just days before the multiple homicide.

 

[Shekkiec]

Could be, although I would think the defense would want positive stories and opinions put out about CW. He needs all the help he can get at this point.

I’m quite impressed there hasn’t been any negatively said. So many public people want to jump on tragedies like this and still nothing.

 

[Thepoet]

I agree that we don’t know. But many people here are saying that because we haven’t heard from them, it must be bad. I disagree.

I don't believe we can draw any conclusion other than, we don't know.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I’m not a lawyer, but I would guess his counsel would prefer their client be tried in court rather than a media war.

I am not a licensed attorney to speak to that, but I would think that a strong defense would be highly concerned about public perception and a potential jury pool to come from it. I believe, correct me if I am wrong, that criminal defense attorneys in high profile cases where MSM is not promoting anything defending their client would be remiss in their duties (though not legally remiss) to not try and put out a more favorable perception of their client if they can. Attorneys?

 

[Shekkiec]

Yes, the Thayer's apologized for defending him and JL said he was dumbfounded and that there were no indicators of any possible problem in the family. Basically what all friends say about family annihilators.

http://www.crimeonline.com/2018/08/18/hed-help-you-out-chris-watts-close-friend-dumbfounded-to-hear-he-allegedly-killed-pregnant-wife-and-tots/As

CrimeOnline previously reported, close friends of the Watts family, Nick and Amanda Thayer, apologized for initially defending Chris Watts upon the disappearance of his wife, Shanann, and two toddler girls.

“I’m so sorry,” Nick Thayer said. “We didn’t know. We thought we were doing the right thing. That’s all I can do is say that we’re sorry that we defended him on social media. We really had no idea that he was capable of doing something [like that]. I hate it.”

The Thayers were not alone in feeling duped by the accused killer. As KNXV reported, Jeremy Lindstrom was close to the family and hosted a birthday party they attended just days before the multiple homicide.

I am not seeing they gave indications of past negative behavior on these . It was my interpretation they were speaking of post events and finding out his confession . Do both of them sell LeVel? If so that also would imo put them in a bad light choosing anything positive bc of all those relationships . I felt sad for them

 

[Thepoet]

They felt safe enough to have him in their house and if you listen to the interview which I can provide link they were extremely surprised. Nick Thayer even ran with them , they had holidays together . I thought the question was related to signs of character beforehand imo

Nick Thayer was sorry that CW stayed with them and just across the hall from his daughter. They were so concerned that they immediately went and spoke to LE!

 

[MassGuy]

I’m quite impressed there hasn’t been any negatively said. So many public people want to jump on tragedies like this and still nothing.

I’m not the least bit surprised. What could they say that makes him look any worse than he already does?

Even what he has admitted to, makes him look like a heartless animal.

When you pile the rest of it on top of that, there is nothing that could add to our picture of depravity.