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AB 10/02/18
1. Autopsies are finished, sealed and have been delivered to Prosecution and Defense.
2. SW did not leave a will, her official probate was filed by her parents last week. One of the questions on the document asks is deceased had any surviving children. Box beside the question was checked, “No.” Also, CW’s address was listed as, Weld County Jail.” Documents were sent to CW at the jail. Big question is who owns what in the house? They had some very expensive assets. The section for estimated value of real estate was left blank, and estimated value of personal property was left blank, too. Expected annual income for SW was left blank. Family asked for emergency hearing on probate. SW.’s father said he wants to take care of SW’s affairs, he said some are, “Time sensitive.” Not sure which ones are time sensitive, but in the documents life insurance and a car are mentioned.
3. Guest, Defense Attorney, Parag Shah explained, when you die without a will, your spouse normally gets everything, but if your spouse is the reason you’re dead, that’s a challenge family members can make in court. Since the husband did this someone else needs to be in charge. SW’s father is requesting to be person who handles estate. CW has a timeframe to object. CW could use some money. He may not want SW’s father to take over. There is statute in Colorado saying wrongdoer isn’t entitled to victims’s estate. CW may be angry about this, but his criminal attorneys may not be versed in probate law, CW may not be able to afford probate attorney, so he may not object.
4. Next step in probate case, there is a telephone hearing scheduled between Court, CW, and SW’s parents. Most likely CW will be advised to take the Fifth and not say anything. He should just file a written objection. Horrible situation for all to sit through.
5. Guest, Author, Donna Kaufmann, explains similarities in accusations between CW and Jeffrey MacDonald. MacDonald used a kitchen knife and ice pick. JM had several appeals. Both CW and JM were having affairs, both had 2 daughters, both wives were pregnant, both were possibly sexually involved with men. 2 days before her murder, Colette MacDonald called family and said she wanted to come home, she couldn’t stand JM’s cheating anymore. Her family advised her to stick it out. Nicole Simpson’s family gave her the same advice when she told them she couldn’t stand OJ anymore. SW may have done the same.
6. Guest, Forensic psychiatrist, Dr. Daniel Bober explains 4 Types Of Family Annihilators.
1. Self-righteous killers - hold mother responsible for family breakdown. They believe the mother let the family down. Maybe she had an affair, maybe she did not tend to the family in some way.
2. Disappointed killers-Believes their family has let them down. Could be a child dating out of faith. Like an honor killing.
3. Anomie killers - see the family as a symbol of economic success until an economic reversal changes the situation. The family being poor would reflect poorly on the father.
4. Paranoid killers - Desire to protect their family from a perceived threat. System is after them in some way, like a legal threat or CPS.
Overwhelming theme is narcissistic injury to father who believes family is like trophies in a display case, and his image is being tarnished. Father sees family as extension of himself, he feels threatened and acts out violently.
5. AB lists family killers. John List, Ronald Gene Simmons, Charles Stuart,
Phillip Austin, Robert William Fisher, Scott Peterson, Neil Entwistle, Josh Powell. Majority of family annihilators are men, 81% of annihilators kill themselves. New theory about these crimes, as women have become more independent and more financially stable the men feel like they’re losing their position of authority, and their power structure in the family, and the theory is that there’s a backlash against women’s independence.
6. These are not men who were not unsuccessful, from outward appearances seemed to have it together.
7. CW fits into the top two reasons, but we don’t have all the facts, yet.
8. Guest, retired FBI, James Gagliano, explains the “4 L’s of Motive,”first written about by PD James in 2003.
1. Love
2. Lust
3. Lucre (money)
4. Loathing (may be self-loathing)
Every single motivation for murder fit in these categories.
9. LE starts an investigation based on the “Rational Choice Theory.” Every one of us that could potentially commit a crime acts in our own best interest. We do a risk reward cost benefit analysis. Can I get away with this and if I don’t get away with it what is the cost to me? What is the penalty? Then they get down to motivation.
10. In CW’s case all 4 L’s apply.
Viewer Questions
1. “Do you think it’s possible that SW knew CW was having affairs but assumed they were all with women? Perhaps she discovered that he was having affairs with men and threatened to leave him and expose everyone of this? She confronts him and he kills her? Just a thought.” Guest, radio host, Randy Corporon, explains, its only been 50 days, and we’ve gotten so little information from police on this. Most men during the years of raising young children are not concerned with questions about how they look, are they buffed up enough, am I working out enough, but CW was going through all of those machinations, all of those experiences during the run up to this crime. It’s as good a question as any, but we just don’t know yet. There have been sources who claim CW was dating both men and women.
2.” If it is proven that Shanann did kill the children could they still charge CW with the way he disposed of the children’s bodies?”Guest, Parag Shah, explains, tampering with evidence is not going to carry a life sentence like murder will, but they can definitely convict him of disposing of the bodies in that way but not convict him of the murder.
3. “I wonder if she was buried with her wedding ring, or did he remove that beforehand?” Huge fact that would matter. If he did remove it, he probably removed it so she wouldn’t be identified once she decomposed if she was found.
1. Autopsies are finished, sealed and have been delivered to Prosecution and Defense.
2. SW did not leave a will, her official probate was filed by her parents last week. One of the questions on the document asks is deceased had any surviving children. Box beside the question was checked, “No.” Also, CW’s address was listed as, Weld County Jail.” Documents were sent to CW at the jail. Big question is who owns what in the house? They had some very expensive assets. The section for estimated value of real estate was left blank, and estimated value of personal property was left blank, too. Expected annual income for SW was left blank. Family asked for emergency hearing on probate. SW.’s father said he wants to take care of SW’s affairs, he said some are, “Time sensitive.” Not sure which ones are time sensitive, but in the documents life insurance and a car are mentioned.
3. Guest, Defense Attorney, Parag Shah explained, when you die without a will, your spouse normally gets everything, but if your spouse is the reason you’re dead, that’s a challenge family members can make in court. Since the husband did this someone else needs to be in charge. SW’s father is requesting to be person who handles estate. CW has a timeframe to object. CW could use some money. He may not want SW’s father to take over. There is statute in Colorado saying wrongdoer isn’t entitled to victims’s estate. CW may be angry about this, but his criminal attorneys may not be versed in probate law, CW may not be able to afford probate attorney, so he may not object.
4. Next step in probate case, there is a telephone hearing scheduled between Court, CW, and SW’s parents. Most likely CW will be advised to take the Fifth and not say anything. He should just file a written objection. Horrible situation for all to sit through.
5. Guest, Author, Donna Kaufmann, explains similarities in accusations between CW and Jeffrey MacDonald. MacDonald used a kitchen knife and ice pick. JM had several appeals. Both CW and JM were having affairs, both had 2 daughters, both wives were pregnant, both were possibly sexually involved with men. 2 days before her murder, Colette MacDonald called family and said she wanted to come home, she couldn’t stand JM’s cheating anymore. Her family advised her to stick it out. Nicole Simpson’s family gave her the same advice when she told them she couldn’t stand OJ anymore. SW may have done the same.
6. Guest, Forensic psychiatrist, Dr. Daniel Bober explains 4 Types Of Family Annihilators.
1. Self-righteous killers - hold mother responsible for family breakdown. They believe the mother let the family down. Maybe she had an affair, maybe she did not tend to the family in some way.
2. Disappointed killers-Believes their family has let them down. Could be a child dating out of faith. Like an honor killing.
3. Anomie killers - see the family as a symbol of economic success until an economic reversal changes the situation. The family being poor would reflect poorly on the father.
4. Paranoid killers - Desire to protect their family from a perceived threat. System is after them in some way, like a legal threat or CPS.
Overwhelming theme is narcissistic injury to father who believes family is like trophies in a display case, and his image is being tarnished. Father sees family as extension of himself, he feels threatened and acts out violently.
5. AB lists family killers. John List, Ronald Gene Simmons, Charles Stuart,
Phillip Austin, Robert William Fisher, Scott Peterson, Neil Entwistle, Josh Powell. Majority of family annihilators are men, 81% of annihilators kill themselves. New theory about these crimes, as women have become more independent and more financially stable the men feel like they’re losing their position of authority, and their power structure in the family, and the theory is that there’s a backlash against women’s independence.
6. These are not men who were not unsuccessful, from outward appearances seemed to have it together.
7. CW fits into the top two reasons, but we don’t have all the facts, yet.
8. Guest, retired FBI, James Gagliano, explains the “4 L’s of Motive,”first written about by PD James in 2003.
1. Love
2. Lust
3. Lucre (money)
4. Loathing (may be self-loathing)
Every single motivation for murder fit in these categories.
9. LE starts an investigation based on the “Rational Choice Theory.” Every one of us that could potentially commit a crime acts in our own best interest. We do a risk reward cost benefit analysis. Can I get away with this and if I don’t get away with it what is the cost to me? What is the penalty? Then they get down to motivation.
10. In CW’s case all 4 L’s apply.
Viewer Questions
1. “Do you think it’s possible that SW knew CW was having affairs but assumed they were all with women? Perhaps she discovered that he was having affairs with men and threatened to leave him and expose everyone of this? She confronts him and he kills her? Just a thought.” Guest, radio host, Randy Corporon, explains, its only been 50 days, and we’ve gotten so little information from police on this. Most men during the years of raising young children are not concerned with questions about how they look, are they buffed up enough, am I working out enough, but CW was going through all of those machinations, all of those experiences during the run up to this crime. It’s as good a question as any, but we just don’t know yet. There have been sources who claim CW was dating both men and women.
2.” If it is proven that Shanann did kill the children could they still charge CW with the way he disposed of the children’s bodies?”Guest, Parag Shah, explains, tampering with evidence is not going to carry a life sentence like murder will, but they can definitely convict him of disposing of the bodies in that way but not convict him of the murder.
3. “I wonder if she was buried with her wedding ring, or did he remove that beforehand?” Huge fact that would matter. If he did remove it, he probably removed it so she wouldn’t be identified once she decomposed if she was found.
