Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[NuttMegg]

I think he's trying to say he went in a rage towards SW when he saw her strangling one of the daughters. That doesn't even make sense. If he was upset about one being blue and the other being strangled wouldn't he try to save them? Maybe slug SW to get her off of the daughter, but the whole thing would have been to save his daughters. He did not do that. He just strangled his pregnant wife, and hid his dead daughters in oil tanks and his wife and unborn son in a shallow grave. IMO this is so dang obvious!

He just contradicts himself anyway...he cared so much for the kids that it drove him crazy to see her murdering one of them, and he loved them so much, so he makes sure they don't live, by not calling 911, then desecrates the beloved.

 

[Amonet]

Lol I understand your position but this has nothing to do with him being guilty - or not.

I would not expect charges to be dropped unless/until there was some kind of MAJOR exculpatory revelation like a video of SW killing the girls, or google search on her phone (while in Arizona) regarding strangulation etc. (and even then I’m not sure that would affect the charges).

An autopsy report is just one of many pieces of this ridiculously complicated puzzle. Assuming the manner of death is actually determined to be strangulation, that fits within the story of EITHER side.

Other details (size of hands or fingernail marks etc) would not result in the charges being dropped (there is no “reduced” - they either allege he killed them or not - and I don’t see this relating to premeditation)... they would be utilized by the defense in order to try to introduce reasonable doubt.

I don't understand why details like fingerprint size or fingernail marks would not result in dropping the murder charges against CW for murdering the girls?

For me that's exactly the sort of thing that would make me believe CW's version of events.

I suppose theoretically CW could have made the fingernail marks post mortem, but I find it very unlikely. And even if he did try something like that, I would have thought that the ME would be able to tell the difference by examining the marks. Would the prosecution really rather have that decided by the jury than drop the charges due to the risk of non-conviction on those charges?

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

He just contradicts himself anyway...he cared so much for the kids that it drove him crazy to see her murdering one of them, and he loved them so much, so he makes sure they don't live, by not calling 911, then desecrates the beloved.

Double the eyeroll. I can see the back of my skull...

 

[Amandaaa]

I don't understand why details like fingerprint size or fingernail marks would not result in dropping the murder charges against CW for murdering the girls?

For me that's exactly the sort of thing that would make me believe CW's version of events.

I suppose theoretically CW could have made the fingernail marks post mortem, but I find it very unlikely. And even if he did try something like that, I would have thought that the ME would be able to tell the difference by examining the marks. Would the prosecution really rather have that decided by the jury than drop the charges due to the risk of non-conviction on those charges?

IMO, yes. They would go forward with the charges absent discovery of some kind of *truly* exculpatory evidence.

 

[MyBelle]

Do you think he would have placed the bodies in that oil field if he thought he was going to get caught? Do you think he would have had the hubris to stand on his porch and give those interviews if he thought he was going to get caught?

CW had little choice because he wanted to make it to work on time and there was GPS on his work vehicle.

Where he took the bodies has nothing to do with him giving interviews afterwards. JMO

 

[NuttMegg]

Where he took the bodies has nothing to do with him giving interviews afterwards. JMO

That's right in a way. In the interviews he completely lied about their disappearance when he knew exactly where he had dumped them.

 

[human]

Wellllllll, I think he disliked her for awhile. Maybe a long time.

So when he saw her killing his precious child, he lost it. All of his pent up rage came out and he strangled her.

When he physically examined his children, he saw they were dead. Maybe he tried a littke CPR and saw it was futile. He did not want his children to live with brain damage.

He had just murdered his wife and baby. Oh oh. Maybe prison. What to do?

He is totalky freaked out on how he is going to cover up his murder but he knows he must. So he concocts some crazy scenarios. Maybe he has taken some kind of prescription drugs that calm a person.

That explains why there are strange things such as sheets in the garbage can.

He could have taken them out and disposed of them Where? I don’t know as business trash often has cameras.

He could have cut them up in tiny pieces and dropped a little bit as he drove along.

To me, he is without any morals. I see that everyday on the net now. They function in many capacities. Then when they want something they go for it. It does not matter who gets run over or sacrificed. .

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Wellllllll, I think he disliked her for awhile. Maybe a long time.

So when he saw her killing his precious child, he lost it. All of his pent up rage came out and he strangled her.

When he physically examined his children, he saw they were dead. Maybe he tried a littke CPR and saw it was futile. He did not want his children to live with brain damage.

He had just murdered his wife and baby. Oh oh. Maybe prison. What to do?

He is totalky freaked out on how he is going to cover up his murder but he knows he must. So he concocts some crazy scenarios. Maybe he has taken some kind of prescription drugs that calm a person.

That explains why there are strange things such as sheets in the garbage can.

He could have taken them out and disposed of them Where? I don’t know as business trash often has cameras.

He could have cut them up in tiny pieces and dropped a little bit as he drove along.

To me, he is without any morals. I see that everyday on the net now. They function in many capacities. Then when they want something they go for it. It does not matter who gets run over or sacrificed. .

Respectfully, I disagree with this scenario. MOO.

 

[MerryB]

They wouldn't and they won't. It wasn't those who feel he is guilty who have been suggesting the charges would be altered based on the autopsy results.

I respectfully disagree. It was suggested by several posters that the fact that charges had not changed implied the autopsy supported LE’s version of events. Here’s an example:

Hi WS Peeps! I note the autopsies are in and have been shared as discovery. I also note that there's no change in the charges.

 

[RachB65]

Wellllllll, I think he disliked her for awhile. Maybe a long time.

So when he saw her killing his precious child, he lost it. All of his pent up rage came out and he strangled her.

When he physically examined his children, he saw they were dead. Maybe he tried a littke CPR and saw it was futile. He did not want his children to live with brain damage.

He had just murdered his wife and baby. Oh oh. Maybe prison. What to do?

He is totalky freaked out on how he is going to cover up his murder but he knows he must. So he concocts some crazy scenarios. Maybe he has taken some kind of prescription drugs that calm a person.

That explains why there are strange things such as sheets in the garbage can.

He could have taken them out and disposed of them Where? I don’t know as business trash often has cameras.

He could have cut them up in tiny pieces and dropped a little bit as he drove along.

To me, he is without any morals. I see that everyday on the net now. They function in many capacities. Then when they want something they go for it. It does not matter who gets run over or sacrificed. .

BBM
Maybe i missed it somewhere in the tangle of these threads or in his confession but did he once ever say he checked his daughters' vital signs or tried CPR? I would think THAT would have fit into his confession/accusation very well. But perhaps he knew there would be no physical evidence to corroborate that?

 

[MyBelle]

What is the rest of that theory for the defense? That the patches made her go crazy and murder? Or would they make him go crazy and murder? Or IYO she was lying, therefore.....what?

I'm not a doctor but I doubt any OB would approve those patches. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

BBM
Maybe i missed it somewhere in the tangle of these threads or in his confession but did he once ever say he checked his daughters' vital signs or tried CPR? I would think THAT would have fit into his confession/accusation very well. But perhaps he knew there would be no physical evidence to corroborate that?

No. He never made mention of this, atleast publicly. Of course, we know that he did no such thing.

 

[NuttMegg]

BBM
Maybe i missed it somewhere in the tangle of these threads or in his confession but did he once ever say he checked his daughters' vital signs or tried CPR? I would think THAT would have fit into his confession/accusation very well. But perhaps he knew there would be no physical evidence to corroborate that?

I've never heard anything about his checking on whether or not they were dead, calling 911, or giving CPR. I sure hope I never run into a paramedic who says, "oh we won't try CPR, wouldn't want her brain dead, you know, we'll just let her die instead"

 

[NuttMegg]

I'm not a doctor but I doubt any OB would approve those patches. JMO

So what is your theory? Why would that be used in a trial by the defense?

 

[PommyMommy]

Wellllllll, I think he disliked her for awhile. Maybe a long time.

So when he saw her killing his precious child, he lost it. All of his pent up rage came out and he strangled her.

When he physically examined his children, he saw they were dead. Maybe he tried a littke CPR and saw it was futile. He did not want his children to live with brain damage.

He had just murdered his wife and baby. Oh oh. Maybe prison. What to do?

He is totalky freaked out on how he is going to cover up his murder but he knows he must. So he concocts some crazy scenarios. Maybe he has taken some kind of prescription drugs that calm a person.

That explains why there are strange things such as sheets in the garbage can.

He could have taken them out and disposed of them Where? I don’t know as business trash often has cameras.

He could have cut them up in tiny pieces and dropped a little bit as he drove along.

To me, he is without any morals. I see that everyday on the net now. They function in many capacities. Then when they want something they go for it. It does not matter who gets run over or sacrificed. .

BBM
Lol, I agree that he concocted a crazy scenario. For sure!!! I have yet to see any facts or evidence that SW killed her babies though. None, zip, nada. Although many of us have repeatedly asked for examples.
MOO

 

[LovesChocolate]

I do not see it odd that few of his friends have come forward on his behalf. He admitted to killing his wife (and unborn child) and so naturally, any close friends are going to recoil and avoid being associated with a murderer. We've all seen how vile and cruel the public can be; imagine the harassment any good friend would receive just by coming forward to explain another side of him. His parents have been silent; perhaps advised by attorneys but I'm sure they are horrified, humiliated, ashamed. What good coming forward and risking the backlash and death threats. MOO.

I think one thing the defense will use is the fact that SW claimed on SM that both her midwife and OB gave their approval for her to wear the Thrive patches while pregnant. I find that very hard to believe. JMO

I don't. I am a healthcare provider in OBGYN and there are a lot of OTC products that are fairly benign. But, it is up to the individual provider; aka "provider preference." Some of us are ok with certain products...some of us are not. So I don't find it at all unusual that her OB and CNM would have been ok with Thrive (I did read somewhere that SW noted she couldn't do one of the products called Black Label anymore, though, if I recall correctly, which would be appropriate since that one is for weight loss).

 

[mickey2942]

Can the defense suggest that CW is just an innocent bystander in this entire tragedy? Make the state prove CW disposed of the bodies? It almost seems like if a jury doesn't have the entire presentation on video tape, they get hung up on, "reasonable doubt".

Sure, they can prove his truck was there...that he drove it from the house...maybe the Apple watch will show more than normal physical activity...that would be interesting.

 

[MyBelle]

This is an old post but I think it's worth reading.

@SuperTmo

“My job with the organ / eye / tissue bank that I referenced earlier started out as a tissue recovery tech. I would take veins, heart valves, skin graphs and various other anatomical gifts from recently deceased people.

All that to say I did recoveries on over 150 bodies of all ages and never once did I see anyone blue. Grayish, maybe? Lots of pale people. Some bluish lips. Recoveries were usually within 8-12 hours of death. I did see a few suicides by hanging that were probably more like slowly strangling but they weren’t blue either. One was fairly red faced, but the other two were just sort of whitish with blown capillaries around the eyes and on cheeks”.

That's meaningless because CW was looking at a baby monitor screen. We don't know if there was a night light in the room that would affect the image. Too many unknown variables.
JMO

 

[MassGuy]

BBM
Lol, I agree that he concocted a crazy scenario. For sure!!! I have yet to see any facts or evidence that SW killed her babies though. None, zip, nada. Although many of us have repeatedly asked for examples.
MOO

What I wouldn’t pay to see the interrogation video of CW telling that insane story to LE.

I’ll bet they were completely incredulous, but wanted to let him go with it, as it locks him in to a particular narrative.

If not for the tragedy here, I’m sure those investigators would have been holding back laughter. What a dope.

 

[margarita25]

Remember the Twinkies defense?

(No, I had to refresh:

“"Twinkie defense" is a derisive label for an improbable legal defense. It is not a recognized legal defense in jurisprudence, but a catchall term coined by reporters during their coverage of the trial of defendant Dan White for the murders of San Francisco city Supervisor Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone. White's defense was that he suffered diminished capacity as a result of his depression. His change in diet from healthful food to Twinkies and other sugary foods was said to be a symptom of depression. Contrary to common belief, White's attorneys did not argue that the Twinkies were the cause of White's actions, but that their consumption was symptomatic of his underlying depression. White was convicted of voluntary manslaughter.”

Twinkie defense - Wikipedia )