Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[PommyMommy]

I believe they had her phone, but there’s not much they can do with it if it was locked or without a search warrant.
jmo

CW provided consent.
MOO

 

[Amonet]

He could have cut the sheets into tiny pieces. Then he could have put them under a jacket or into a lunch box,

Was the sheet seen on the first walk through? Her purse would have been seen

I'm not clear on whether the sheet and pillowcases were seen on the first walk through or not until later.

On the day Shanann and the girls were reported missing there wasn't just one officer who came, but two? We can't really guarantee neither looked in the trash can. CW could have been planning to burn them or discard them when he got home from work.

Cadaver dogs were going through the house on Tuesday, is that the day he did the interviews? They might have smelled the sheets in the trash can if Shanann was killed in/on the bed? It might not have been possible to collect them until CW was arrested if they preferred to wait for a warrant and they didn't think they could get a warrant at that point in time. If they were watching CW anyway, then it might have been better to say, "yes, that's a good idea for you to stay at your friends' house tonight and have their support instead of being in an empty house, we can keep an eye on the house in case they come back and we'll call you immediately" instead of tipping their hand and telling him they'd found the sheet and pillowcases.

Besides, if there was evidence on those sheets, it's probably not the best idea to throw them in the trash with dirty ... trash? Given that LE saw the bedding on the floor during the walkthrough on the first day, and that the bottom sheet was found out at the oil site, I can't help suspecting CW put the matching pillowcases and sheet into the trash with the idea of concealment on his mind.

I suppose what one could say is that the concealment, with regard to the sheet and pillowcases, could be connected solely to the disposal of the bodies and not to the deaths. But did he know, when he left the house in the morning that the bottom sheet would never be found at the oil site and connect their deaths to the house and to him? At the very least I think we have to say that it does show that before the house he wasn't just thinking of getting the bodies out of the house, he was already thinking deeply about how to get away with it.

 

[katydid23]

Are you an OB? Either SW's OB approved it or didn't approve it. Shouldn't be difficult for the defense to get the facts. JMO

Exactly.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

The burden is still on the prosecution to prove CW murdered the children. JMO

Yes and they will use that against him that he didn't try to help his child from dying. Many think that is a point (along with many other facts) that proves he is the murderer and not SW. You obviously do not. A jury can decide if that along with the other things they will use in their case is enough or not. Like I said before, there's not going to be a video of CW (or SW) committing the crime so people have to use their own thought process and common sense with the circumstantial evidence they will have.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

CW provided consent.
MOO

I’m not sure, but I know many times they still need a warrant to scrub the phone.
jmo

 

[MassGuy]

That’s what I thought as well, but there’s not much they can do with it if it was locked or without a search warrant.
jmo

He turned it over to LE. They wouldn’t need a warrant at that point.

 

[Mrspratcher]

I think the jury will be swayed if SW's doctor testifies he never approved the patches. That is a fact they won't ignore. JMO

How so? She had a little too much caffeine?

CW's defense (for now) is that he killed SW because she was in the midst of murdering Cece after he told her he wanted a separation. I'm just not connecting the dots between patches and CW's defense strategy.

 

[PommyMommy]

I’m not sure, but I know many times they still need a warrant to scrub the phone.
jmo

Chris provided consent to check Shanann's phone and ultimately surrendered it to allow Det. Baumhover to examine it for information leading to Shanann's (and daughters) whereabouts. Det. Baumhover transported the phone to the Frederick Police Department where it has remained since Det. Baumhover collected it.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

 

[MassGuy]

How so? She had a little too much caffeine?

CW's defense (for now) is that he killed SW because she was in the midst of murdering Cece after he told her he wanted a separation. I'm just not connecting the dots between patches and CW's defense strategy.

Me too. It’s likely that those dots are on separate pieces of paper, many miles apart.

 

[NuttMegg]

SW found out she was pregnant on June 10, 2018 she goes to San Diego on June 23 with Chris gets back on June 26 and goes to North Carolina June 27 on she flys home on August 8 only to leave August 10-12 to go to Scottsdale Arizona . Imo this schedule is not typical for a happily married couple with news of a miracle pregnancy especially with the NC stylist friend commenting about separation. She may have been 15 weeks pregnant but they spent very little time together after she found out she was pregnant. Imo

So according to your schedule, starting on June 10 she was with her husband until June 26, 16 days, then goes on a summer visit to the family where CW joined them for 1 week of the 6, I don't see any big deal (??) Are you saying because she was pregnant she shouldn't have gone to Arizona for 2 days, one night? Why is this summer schedule any blight on family life? Wasn't CW uh, "dating" the AP for 5 weeks? Or much longer? What if she had stayed home instead of visiting her family? Would he have killed her sooner?

 

[MKZoo]

He turned it over to LE. They wouldn’t need a warrant at that point.

Also, at that moment, they believed she and the girls were missing and possibly in danger so that might be enough for probable cause regardless of consent. But I agree, I do think he gave consent. Jmo.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

He turned it over to LE. They wouldn’t need a warrant at that point.

If they want to use it in court I think they need a warrant even if they had consent from CW to look at SW’s phone. I’m not sure though?
@Amandaaa if CW gave LE SW’s phone and gave them consent to go through it would they still need a warrant?
jmo

 

[MyBelle]

Yes and they will use that against him that he didn't try to help his child from dying. Many think that is a point (along with many other facts) that proves he is the murderer and not SW. You obviously do not. A jury can decide if that along with the other things they will use in their case is enough or not. Like I said before, there's not going to be a video of CW (or SW) committing the crime so people have to use their own thought process and common sense with the circumstantial evidence they will have.

What proof is there that the children were not already dead when CW entered the room? I'd like to see a link.
Thanks.

 

[NuttMegg]

Exactly.

No, it's not that cut and dried. Drs. and Midwives don't always jot down something like that.

 

[NuttMegg]

What proof is there that the children were not already dead when CW entered the room? I'd like to see a link.
Thanks.

What proof is there that they weren't already dead when she got back 3 hours late from a business trip?

 

[katydid23]

The burden is still on the prosecution to prove CW murdered the children. JMO

He murdered his unborn son and he has admitted that already.

He didn't try to save his youngest daughter---he admitted that already, when he said he went into a rage and strangled his wife. And he could have called for medical help, as she was still able to be revived. And at that point, he hadn't murdered his wife and son, so there was no reason to be afraid to call foe medical help.

 

[MyBelle]

He turned it over to LE. They wouldn’t need a warrant at that point.

I'm pretty sure a warrant would be needed if the phone was locked.

 

[Layla123]

SW found out she was pregnant on June 10, 2018 she goes to San Diego on June 23 with Chris gets back on June 26 and goes to North Carolina June 27 on she flys home on August 8 only to leave August 10-12 to go to Scottsdale Arizona . Imo this schedule is not typical for a happily married couple with news of a miracle pregnancy especially with the NC stylist friend commenting about separation. She may have been 15 weeks pregnant but they spent very little time together after she found out she was pregnant. Imo

I don’t think the trip to North Carolina was solely for the purpose of visiting with family and friends. I think it was a work trip, as well. Many of her North Carolina peeps are Thrive customers, and her teacher spoke about a convention she attended. I think she hoped to expand her network when she was there.

 

[PommyMommy]

Shan'ann Watts Had No Will When She Was Killed. Could Her Husband Inherit Her Estate?
Shan’ann Watts, the pregnant Colorado mom killed in August along with her two young daughters, died without a will — possibly setting the stage for a battle over what she left behind.

Under the section where Rzucek listed other relatives, he indicated that Watts had no living descendants — but she is survived by her husband of nearly six years, 33-year-old Chris Watts, who allegedly murdered her and their kids.

According to the court records, Chris was served a copy of the probate petition. He remains behind bars in the Weld County Jail.

 

[Shekkiec]

I am not sure what you mean by "strangulation does not always take time". Strangulation ALWAYS takes time. At least 4-5 mins per person.

I am not sure what you mean by "strangulation does not always take time". Strangulation ALWAYS takes time. At least 4-5 mins per person.

what was cause of death ? Aphixiation or broken neck ? Was her carotid artery compressed? Was her brain stem snapped? We do not know the cause of death there are factors that could be important in time it took for her to die.