Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[liltexans]

Thanks! I've never seen that done here before recently.

NP, just noticed it just looks different than all the other replies on threads, and was wondering how it was done versus how most are being done by hitting the reply button. Whatever works!

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[katydid23]

He had the little teeny tiny problem that he had killed his wife and son. That puts a different problem

But he hadn't killed anyone when he FIRST saw the baby monitor and saw a sprawled out blue child. Why didn't he hit the PANIC BUTTON right then? Or when he saw his wife assaulting the 2nd girl? Why not call for help immediately and then go stop her. A panic button takes a split second. And he hadn't killed anyone so he could have called for help.

 

[katydid23]

I suppose so, but honestly IMO it would be as subjective as playing the SM videos I find so alarming & some others don’t.

Do you find her Santa video and her water spray video more alarming than his porch interviews, where he lies about his family already being dead?

 

[sun16]

But he hadn't killed anyone when he FIRST saw the baby monitor and saw a sprawled out blue child. Why didn't he hit the PANIC BUTTON right then? Or when he saw his wife assaulting the 2nd girl? Why not call for help immediately and then go stop her. A panic button takes a split second. And he hadn't killed anyone so he could have called for help.

They’re probably going to say he completely saw red and went nuts. Panic button....what? (they’ll claim). He was not even thinking straight or about anything like that. I don’t buy any of this, but they have to try and sell something.

 

[NuttMegg]

increase lean body mass and help optimize body composition.

Uh, sounds a little extreme and with vague goals...optimize body composition.

 

[katydid23]

I think if this goes to trial, the defense will use the SM videos that some of us find so alarming. JMO

Which ones are the most alarming? If you were the defense attorney, which snippets would you play for the jury to prove that SW was the killer?

 

[Johnny1181]

Do you find her Santa video and her water spray video more alarming than his porch interviews, where he lies about his family already being dead?

Darn... double quote still not working for me lol...

Anyway... I have the same question. And would add the porch interviews where he knew he'd dumped Bella and CeCe in bats of oil and buried Shanann and unborn Nico in a shallow grave? The porch interview where knowing all this and smiled and preened in his beloved shirt?

 

[Johnny1181]

Uh, sounds a little extreme and with vague goals...optimize body composition. People will do "anything" other than cut out bread, sugar, white stuff, and go for 3 walks a day.

Mmmm.... bread lol

Edited to add: jmo

 

[katydid23]

The discussion was about him not calling LE. Hard to call and BTW, I killed my wife and son

He could have killed BEFORE he killed the rest of his family. Why didn't he push the PANIC BUTTON when he first saw the blue child on the monitor? Or when he saw the 2nd child being attacked? Wouldn't he want an ambulance to bring oxygen and defibrillators and EMTs to their aid?

 

[katydid23]

I think if this goes to trial, the defense will use the SM videos that some of us find so alarming. JMO

Which ones are the most alarming? If you were the defense attorney, which snippets would you play for the jury to prove that SW was the killer?

 

[rainynights]

There was probably nothing incriminating on her phone, that he knew of, or he could have just said he didn't know her code. That would have been believable if he said that. IMO

Yup. CW saying he didn't know the iPhone lock code probably would have been just as believable as the keypad thingy being broken when LE asked for that code. Oops! Can't use that excuse too many times.

He must have also thought there wasn't anything incriminating in the house either when he let them in.

Thankfully, CW's duping days would quickly be over, thanks to the keen eyes of LE and NUA. Jmo

 

[NuttMegg]

I think if this goes to trial, the defense will use the SM videos that some of us find so alarming. JMO

Maybe they'll play the one of the cute kids on the water slide. Watch them tell the jury it implies child abuse. Abuse of the kids he killed.

 

[PommyMommy]

This is a 2 1/2 min clip from AB's show tonight. She discusses SW's phone being found between the sofa cushions with Karen Smith, a retired detective with the Jacksonville Sheriff's office, who is also a Forensic Specialist.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1978917112174473

 

[NuttMegg]

Except for the woman in NC talking about how they might separate. It has been on here several times I believe

No, the woman in NC did not say, IIRC, HE was leaving HER.

 

[JDough]

Hi flourish I think it is the following:

ForsLean is an extract derived from Coleus forskohlii roots, a plant native to warm temperate habitats including India. Coleus forskohlii is the only known plant source of forskolin, a natural compound that has been shown to increase lean body mass and help optimize body composition.

What are the risks of taking forskolin?

• Flushing, fast heart beats, and low blood pressure when taken through an IV.
• Upper respiratory tract irritation, cough, tremor, and restlessness when inhaled.
• Stinging of the eyes and enlarging of the blood vessels in the eyes.
• Headache.

It is important to note that this ingredient is only found in the Thrive Black Label and Duo Burn weight loss patches (neither of which SW is seen wearing in any of her social media posts after pregnancy announcement). The ingredient is NOT found in the supplements or shakes.

Here is another definition and possible side effects (additional information at link):
Dosage for Agnus Castus

The herb coleus forskohlii has a long history of use in Asian medicine. Limited evidence suggests potential benefits for treating asthma, skin conditions, high blood pressure, irritable bowel syndrome, angina, menstrual cramps and obesity, but not enough exists to firmly establish therapeutic effects, according to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Forslean coleus forskohlii is a patented product standardized to contain a certain amount of the active components and has been tested for safety and toxicity. Regardless of the brand used, however, this herb could cause some side effects and it might be inappropriate to use in certain instances.
Reported Side Effects
The Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center states reported side effects of coleus forskohlii include heachache, irregular heartbeat and low blood pressure.

 

[tmar]

Hi everyone, this is my first post, but I have been reading a lot on this case. Random thoughts that are all just IMO:
1. Smoking and consumption of caffeine during pregnancy has decreased as more women have become better educated on the harm to the fetus. However, many still do both and have fine babies that are ok ( although nicotine addicted newborns have their own set of issues for a bit).
2. SW brother has been quoted as saying CW WAS a good husband and father~sorry, no link to the article ( hope okay to state something w/o link). So was CW putting on a show when around SW family?
3. I don’t know if the patches have any ingredients that would be harmful to a pregnant woman. I think it depends on the OB if use of the patch was documented in SW medical record. As an RN for nearly 4 decades, I’ve reviewed many a medical record and the documentation varies greatly.
4. Those patches look large. Does anyone know if SW regularly wore the patches while pregnant or just for her SM videos?
5. Because IMO CW is a murdering coward, I think part of his defense will be his use of the patches, how the ingredients are not FDA regulated. IF he’s on any meds, I think he’ll claim that he experienced an interaction that caused him to fly into a rage, strangle SW and not render help to his children.
6. I’ve been watching SW SM vids with CW in them. Both of the little girls were in them, too. They didn’t appear to have any fear of their daddy.
7. I think CW murdered them all, and VERY compelling evidence would have to be presented for me to believe SW harmed her baby girls. I think she came in late, kicked off her shoes, set her luggage down and CW ambushed her.
8. A soulless person disposes of their loved ones in tanks of oil, and a shallow grave. I’ve honestly thought of the evil implications of his actions. I think he never loved them, but acted the part. I’m just so sorry that SW encountered him ever.

Hi Mandi.
Welcome, with your first Post, which provided a great deal of detail.
Hope to see more Posts, from you.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Does anybody think CW will plead guilty to avoid a trial?

 

[katydid23]

It would be helpful to hear from @Amandaaa regarding the chain of custody and the legal process to obtain the data from SW's phone once it was in LE custody.

wow Slayergirl. Welcome to WS. You are the most professional sounding newbie I have ever seen here. Are you really here for the first time or are you bluffing us all?

Either way, welcome to WS...

 

[flourish]

Does anybody think CW will plead guilty to avoid a trial?

No, I don't.

 

[Thepoet]

I was thinking the same thing lately. I find it very strange there isn’t anyone who knew him outside of SW. Not one person has spoken up about him. Well except the roommate from 15 years old. I think he was a loner and seemed to enjoy having a more outgoing personable wife, and was okay with her running their life. However, I think this changed when he got fit, started the affair with his coworker and saw a life outside SW. He definitely started to resent SW and when they came back from NC I doubt he was happy.

I agree completely.