Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[katydid23]

I had three healthy babies and it took 4 years between each one because I had endometriosis. My Ob/gyn and the perintologist I saw both warned me of the risks during the first trimester . If SW had been told it was high risk I assume it would not mean chromosome. Imo. My last pregnancy I miscarried twins . So I am speaking from my experience and choices I made I did not use caffeine, ate all natural , didn’t fly , so imo it’s odd. I had to see my perintologist weekly first 12 weeks than every two .

Did SW have endometriosis? I am not sure how this correlates with her pregnancy...?

 

[Gardenista]

I put this in the search box and nothing came up. Not sure if it's been posted before:

Journey of Bella Marie

 

[MsBetsy]

I had three healthy babies and it took 4 years between each one because I had endometriosis. My Ob/gyn and the perintologist I saw both warned me of the risks during the first trimester . If SW had been told it was high risk I assume it would not mean chromosome. Imo. My last pregnancy I miscarried twins . So I am speaking from my experience and choices I made I did not use caffeine, ate all natural , didn’t fly , so imo it’s odd. I had to see my perintologist weekly first 12 weeks than every two .

High risk can mean many things. If she was not on full or partial bed rest, and had no restrictions, what does visiting her family have to do with anything? I was also high risk and when I asked my doctor if I could still walk 3 miles a day and do all the things I usually do, he said, Absolutely. Just dont start any new habits. I am totally confused as to what the implication is here. What about it is odd?

 

[Shekkiec]

I'm sure it was no secret to her family and may be even close friends that there were problems in the marriage,especially if CW was having an affair for 6- 8 months. Maybe she went to visit her family to get away from him and gather her thoughts, contemplate getting divorce and prepare herself for the possibility of being a single mom. Being around your loved ones and doing fun things with them and the kids may have been the best thing she could have done for her pregnancy. I'm sure she would have had time to rest with others around that she could trust to look after the kids. How would this be unusual in any way?

I wasn’t aware he was having an affair 6-8 months . Had I realized the amounts of rebuttal I would receive from a statement believing the marriage was in trouble and pointing out her pregnancy I would not have bothered . I felt this was one thing no matter which side you were on ,would not be so objected. As I said I am basing this on my experiences in life and everyone else on here may have done the same thing she chose to do and felt they were in a happy marriage and it was normal for them. I am not saying she was bad nor he was perfect I am stating my opinion I am not here to change anyone’s

 

[cailleach]

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Please allow me to clarify that post. I was merely responding to another poster who questioned why the Defense would use that info against SW. That was not my personal opinion.

I understood.

 

[Shekkiec]

Considering the fact that the very article you posted indicates "Once a pregnancy makes it to 6 weeks and has confirmed viability with a heartbeat, the risk of having a miscarriage drops to 10 percent", I feel fairly confident in saying that the trip and the stress from the possible separation did not negatively affect her pregnancy. Her own husband negatively affected her pregnancy, at 15 weeks gestation. By admittedly strangling her.

Moo is it is odd based on my experience that is all .

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Bluff and @Slayer Girl have it mastered. I’ve been on here six months and haven’t figured it out.

OT/
9 years here for me, and I didn't have a clue how to multi-quote. Thanks to @Johnny1181 for inquiring!

 

[Johnny1181]

IMO she knew he wanted to separate, but she thought they could work it out. It wasn’t until she returned home that she found out he was definitively leaving her for another woman.

What leads you to believe she knew that he wanted to separate?

What leads you to believe she returned home and "definitively" found out "he" was leaving?

What theory do you have as to why CW had an "emotional conversation" with his loving wife and mother of his daughters. Went downstairs for a few moments (per affadavit) and came back to see his daughter "blue" and his other daughter being "actively strangled" by their loving mama and didn't call 911?

What theory do you have as to why rather than calling for help while seeing his baby blue and the other actively being strangled CW strangled Shanann to death (per affadavit) and killed unborn Nico as a result?

What theory do you have as to after all of this... rather than call for help CW:

Loaded his murdered family into his truck
Gathered up dead CeCe or Bella, we don't know who he dumped first, climbed up those oil well stairs and dumped his baby in oil?

What theory do you have as to why after dumping his first baby, CW climbed down, gathered up either CeCe or Bella, found a separate oil tank, climbed up those stairs with his baby and dumped her in a tank of oil?

What theory do you have as to after dumping CeCe and Bella in separate oil tanks, CW then went to his truck and gathered up Shanann and unborn Nico in her belly, and shoveled dirt over them?

What theory do you have as to how CW could then preen with a smile in his shirt during those porch interviews? Knowing what he'd done.
MOO

 

[Johnny1181]

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9 years here for me, and I didn't have a clue how to multi-quote. Thanks to @Johnny1181 for inquiring!

Lol! Despite the very clear instructions... still can't manage it lol

 

[Seattle1]

No conjecture - I just said I found it odd that they would request to seal based on possible tainting of a jury pool. That’s it. I never said anything about the prosecution breaking anything to SW’s family.
<RSBM>
I STILL think it’s unusual to file a motion to seal on the grounds that it would taint the jury pool. No more, no less. I am very interested in the arguments set forth by the parties (and the media) regarding public injury, and even more interested to read the reports themselves.

Again, the People's reason for requesting nondisclosure of report until trial not limited to tainting jury pool.

 

[katydid23]

IMO she knew he wanted to separate, but she thought they could work it out. It wasn’t until she returned home that she found out he was definitively leaving her for another woman.

But it wouldn't have been a big shock if they had been discussing it for months. Why would she kill her babies over something she knew about and was preparing for, for quite awhile?

 

[cailleach]

Moo is it is odd based on my experience that is all .

Perhaps the difference is you had a loving supportive husband who wanted to be part of things with you instead of one who was cheating his pants off and was detached from you, the kids, and the gestating baby?

 

[MsBetsy]

Did SW have endometriosis? I am not sure how this correlates with her pregnancy...?

I had severe endometriosis for ten years and I can tell you pregnancy is the best thing for it. It stops it in its tracks. Even if she did have it, three pregnancies would have slowed it down considerably. Anyway, I'm sure she was not so high risk that she could not go on with her normal activities as she did not mention anything about it, as far as I know. Where is this assumption even coming from? Just because she had lupus? I don't know anything about that but I do know people with it who have several children and never mentioned any problem with pregnancies. Everyone is different. Jmo

 

[Quinquin]

Considering the fact that the very article you posted indicates "Once a pregnancy makes it to 6 weeks and has confirmed viability with a heartbeat, the risk of having a miscarriage drops to 10 percent", I feel fairly confident in saying that the trip and the stress from the possible separation did not negatively affect her pregnancy. Her own husband negatively affected her pregnancy, at 15 weeks gestation. By admittedly strangling her.

That is certainly a fact that cannot be debated! Finally!!

 

[MassGuy]

But it wouldn't have been a big shock if they had been discussing it for months. Why would she kill her babies over something she knew about and was preparing for, for quite awhile?

She wouldn’t. There weren’t two evil strangulation killers in that house, there was only one. And hopefully he pays for it.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I wasn’t aware he was having an affair 6-8 months . Had I realized the amounts of rebuttal I would receive from a statement believing the marriage was in trouble and pointing out her pregnancy I would not have bothered . I felt this was one thing no matter which side you were on ,would not be so objected. As I said I am basing this on my experiences in life and everyone else on here may have done the same thing she chose to do and felt they were in a happy marriage and it was normal for them. I am not saying she was bad nor he was perfect I am stating my opinion I am not here to change anyone’s

You have every right to post your opinions on here. I appreciate all the opinions that are posted in here. Even if I don't agree with them. We wouldn't have much to talk about on these threads if we didn't share our knowledge, experiences, thoughts and opinions.
jmo

 

[human]

As I stated before, I've had 3 previous high-risk pregnancies, and I have Lupus. As I also stated, however, for those of us with these things, medical intervention does not truly come into play until the second trimester. Not sure why you are providing me with miscarriage stats, but if SW had signs of an impending miscarriage, she could have just as easily visited a hospital in NC as she could have in CO.

This is all moot, at any rate. SW did not have a miscarriage with Nico. She made it through her first trimester and made it back home to CO. Her pregnancy appeared to be progressing normally-she was murdered by her husband, she didn't die due to lack of pre-natal care.

I hate to bring the health insurance up, but being in network vs out of network. Out patient, in patient are all issues with health insurance. There are different costs with all of these scenarios.

My husband got a tetanus shot. He was due. Because the doctor had not sent him, the insurance would not pay.

Insurance is not interested in your sob stories. They make the rules.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I realize it's AB but she did say a family source said 6-10 months. If that's true, then it would seem SW had to have told someone in her family her suspicions at least 6-10 months ago. If that's the case, then why would she all of a sudden go into a rage and kill her children that night? A separation or news of an affair would not be new shocking information for her.

Was it said that it was her family member as the source?
Maybe it was his family member that has known for that long and she just found about it recently.

 

[cailleach]

She wouldn’t. There weren’t two evil strangulation killers in that house, there was only one. And hopefully he pays for it.

Exactly! It's like the old joke about the hitchhiker asking the driver why they picked them up when they could be a serial killer. They driver responds, "What are the odds of 2 serial killers being in this car at once?"

 

[MintLeighf]

We just don’t know that. Maybe, SW kicked him out, said she never wanted to see his sorry a$$ again, and he went into a rage over that! We need more information.

Yup. Or she brought up all the child support he’d be paying...and/or how his name and image would be tainted for sleeping around and him being the narcissist he obviously is, just could not have that! So murder it is.
JMO