Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #39

[WildWest]

Forgive me, it's the end of the week and I'm tired. What is the significance of the school start date? I get he used past tense, but I forget why it matters which day. I'm not being snarky.

I don't recall why it's up again today but I did have questions on the dates and how he said it in the interview, and it appears other members here did too. I was stuck on a word I thought he said but either way his talking about BW in past tense is odd.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Because by that time he knew they were dead and in oil tanks?

ETA: I wasn't being snarky. I'm just slightly confused.

I guess I wasn't clear that most of us believe we know the answer to that question: it's because CW murdered them all.

 

[katydid23]

CW's many years of telling lies, and as you state, not being scrutinised and found out, he was confident with his initial lies in interviews, and initial chats with LE.
As LE saw through him, and NAU blocking his probable clean up, he comes up, with another set of lies.
MOO.
Where I live, public transport provides transport for night workers, early birds etc.

I have seen cases where the killer puts his bicycle in the car, drives the car and parks it, then rides the bike back home in the middle of the night.

 

[britelite]

Maybe the same way he might have lied to Shanann about things (“she’s just a friend”, “sorry I had to work late”, “going to the gym babe”, “I love you”...)

(That’s what one of my exes did. He deserved an Oscar. He would literally call me and say “I love you”. )

Yeah.... this had to be going on daily. Prob to the AP too I guess. Affairs, especially with 2 young children and an aware and organized wife would take a lot of lying and manipulating IMO

 

[nwmouse]

The thing is- if it was premeditated, then why did he fail to think about all of the things that gave him away?

- inadequate burial spot/plans/way to hide the bodies (shallow grave for one, tanks for the other two, tanks that would at some point be checked, especially since they were on his actual job, which LE would automatically check first)

- evidence left helterskelter- a sheet at the burial site, a bag at the burial site, her cell phone and other belongings and kids carseats, her car, EVERYTHING left inside their locked, videoed home.

- zero alibi

- no stage set/scene set up- if he had preplanned it, he would have had an actual plan, one that explained her absence, the girls' absences, one that left room open for them leaving voluntarily or being killed due to something else. Gas leak in the house, boat capsized and they drowned, fire, something. Not kill them, hide them, go to work and try to pretend it never happened.

- didn't call and re-arrange her medical appointment. Didn't use her phone to pretend to be her to throw her off (the whole discovery could have been avoided if CW had used SW's phone to text her friends/coworkers back, something simple like "I'm exhausted from all the travel, and need to rest this morning, will get back online in the morning, carry on without me! thanks dears!")

I personally don't think his daughter going to school was a factor at all. Why would it be? If you're hardcore evil enough to slaughter your whole family, why would it matter if it happened on a Sunday night before the first day of school or a Thursday night midway through the second semester?

I think whatever went down, whoever did what, it happened spontaneously, in the heat of the moment.

BBM:
IMO, CW is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree to even THINK that he would get away with murder. That's his number one stupid mistake.
He strikes me as a poor planner and strategist and didn't think anything out in detail or plan multiple steps ahead for various scenarios (probably NOT a good chess player).
I have no doubt this murder required SOME pre-planning, even if it was only a few hours.
CW forgot the classic Murhpy's Law. And boy did things go wrong for him!
MOO.

 

[MyBelle]

I guess I wasn't clear that we all know the answer to that question: it's because CW murdered them all.

You sure don't speak for me. I don't know that CW "murdered them all."

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

You sure don't speak for me. I don't know that CW "murdered them all."

You're right - I don't speak for you. My apology.

 

[margarita25]

Yeah.... this had to be going on daily. Prob to the AP too I guess. Affairs, especially with 2 young children and an aware and organized wife would take a lot of lying and manipulating IMO

Indeed britelite. I really hadn’t thought much about all the lies and dramatic performances he would have had to have been pulling off for months...

 

[britelite]

Indeed britelite. I really hadn’t really thought much about all the lies and dramatic performances he would have had to have been pulling off for months...

It takes a lot to pull off an affair in a situation like that IMO. Lots of lies and manipulation. Especially with a pregnant wife

 

[margarita25]

It takes a lot to pull off an affair in a situation like that IMO. Lots of lies and manipulation. Especially with a pregnant wife

It sure does.

I wonder if he supposedly had any “business trips”...

 

[Jennifer17]

BBM:
IMO, CW is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree to even THINK that he would get away with murder. That's his number one stupid mistake.
He strikes me as a poor planner and strategist and didn't think anything out in detail or plan multiple steps ahead for various scenarios (probably NOT a good chess player).
I have no doubt this murder required SOME pre-planning, even if it was only a few hours.
CW forgot the classic Murhpy's Law. And boy did things go wrong for him!
MOO.

To be fair though, he didn't have his bossy wife around to direct him.

 

[mtnlites]

You're right - I don't speak for you. My apology.

Eh, you can speak for me on that anyway. I get it.

 

[idfinch]

Eh, you can speak for me on that anyway. I get it.

Ha, same.

I didn't take it as literal anyway, I took it as meaning the general viewing public vs CW and his clear as glass lies. The "was" made many of us gasp or look twice when he said it.

IMO

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Thank you! I used to be a teacher and typically we wouldn't call for missing the first day, because so many students transferred over the summer or moved or forgot it was the first day or we didn't provide busing the first day or whatever. However, if it was a family with whom I was already well acquainted, I might call. So I can see that either way. Idk

OT/

I spent my teaching career in Minnesota. Following the abduction of Jacob Wetterling - when the entire state (nation) was functioning on a whole new level of high-alert regarding the safety of children - our district implemented an automated phone system to alert parents when their child was absent.

 

[Serena Angelique]

Thanks for finding this scdiv. I just had a some new thoughts while viewing it again. What if the reason he says "Bella was gonna start kindergarten next Monday" is because he has said that or thought about it the week prior? What if it indicates he planned this crime the previous week but his plans got delayed a week? Maybe "Bella was supposed to start school next Monday" was a line he had already dreamed of saying when making his plea to the press?

Or what if something happened the week prior to the murders to change Bella's school start date? Something such as SW telling him she would be leaving and taking the girls to NC? Then the words "But Bella was gonna start kindergarten next Monday" is a line he might have actually said or thought about the week before.

Or he just has no clue what day it is, nor when Bella was going to school and he is making it all up and trying to sound convincing as he talks.

In reviewing this yet again a few new red flags crop up.

NUA contacted him at noon (12:10). At that point he claimed that though he had called & texted SW about 3 times without response, he wasn’t worried. Only when “her people” were worried did it dawn in him that something might be wrong. Still, it was fairly early in the day to be crazed with worry yet he went from “everything is fine” to “racing a mile a minute” which makes no sense under the circumstances.

He claims that at that point that he has already called and/or texted her from work at least 3 times. But before noon? Who does that? If you’re at work, why would you bother calling/texting your spouse 3 times before noon? Couldn’t you leave a message and expect they’d get back to you when they could? So what’s up with trying to establish contact multiple times?

And secondly: SHE GOT IN AT 2AM in the damn morning! I would personally be asleep if I had been away all weekend and got in that late and pregnant to boot. To hell with the doctors appointment! But that’s me.

All of these are moot points because we know now that he’s lying and saying whatever he thinks sounds believable. And I’m not SW so I know she wouldn’t do what I would have done (which is sleep in and to hell with everything UNLESS it was my kids first day of school or registration).

But none of it makes sense to me, unless people who imbibe THRIVE shakes never sleep in. IMO: If you get in that late, why would people expect that you might not just want to sleep in?

Thank the lucky stars that SW had NUA for a friend who knew she wouldn’t ever do that, and CW, probably not forseeing that they had made prior plans had no “inclination” of that or her doctors appointment. (Just a guess)

CW might have thought that people might logically assume SW was busy catching up with stuff, tired, or sleeping in—but then he throws in the play date which would not have been first on most people agendas after a long weekend away either. It was a vague statement as he himself clarified “it was very vague.”

But why bother mentioning that he’d try to contact her repeatedly before noon unless that was to appear concerned? Why throw in the play date when the kids were about to “ start back” (to school). Did he routinely call her 3 times a day before noon? All are red flags and show his concept of a good alibi is absolutely stinky.

He seems to have been setting up a story for later in order to exonerate himself. He just had no idea he wouldn’t be able to perfect it and control and command the narrative.
His logic was so illogical. IMO

 

[margarita25]

OT/

I spent my teaching career in Minnesota. Following the abduction of Jacob Wetterling - when the entire state (nation) was functioning on a whole new level of high-alert regarding the safety of children - our district implemented an automated phone system to alert parents when their child was absent.

Jessica Ridgeway was murdered 6 years ago today. Today is the 6 Year Anniversary of her murder here in Northern Colorado (and not all that far from Frederick. Yes everyone and new locals now here on WS for the Watts family, it has been 6 years today. I will be posting in her threads later this evening).

:candle:

As I haven’t forgotten about Jessica or other victims, neither will Shanann, CeCe and Bella be forgotten.

May their special spirits be respected and their love for each other remembered. And not desecrated.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Because by that time he knew they were dead and in oil tanks?

ETA: I wasn't being snarky. I'm just slightly confused.

But at the time no one knew they were dead and dumped except him. They had been "missing" less than a day so why bring up something that's not supposed to happen for 6 or 7 days from now. He KNEW Bella wasn't coming back but he wasn't supposed to know that.

 

[Gardener1850]

OT/

I spent my teaching career in Minnesota. Following the abduction of Jacob Wetterling - when the entire state (nation) was functioning on a whole new level of high-alert regarding the safety of children - our district implemented an automated phone system to alert parents when their child was absent.

Yes, I believe most school systems have this now. Even if it is an excused absence they will robocall your house to let you know your child was absent that day. I believe the computer does it automatically after attendance is taken. But maybe some smaller private school don't do this?

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Jessica Ridgeway was murdered 6 years ago today. Today is the 6 year Anniversary of her murder here in Northern Colorado, (and not all that far from Frederick. Yes locals, it’s been 6 years today. I will be posting in Er threads later this evening.)

:candle:

As I haven’t forgotten about Jessica or other victims, neither will Shanann, CeCe and Bella be forgotten.

May their special spirits be respected.

 

[sun16]

OT/

I spent my teaching career in Minnesota. Following the abduction of Jacob Wetterling - when the entire state (nation) was functioning on a whole new level of high-alert regarding the safety of children - our district implemented an automated phone system to alert parents when their child was absent.

God bless Jacob. And Jessica. And Shanann and Bella and Cece and Nico. And all of them who were taken too soon.