Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

[Allabouttrial]

I wonder what they want to get back by wiping the families out? Because to me it seems to be about own image that in their mind is tarnished by their own families. It is as if their families never existed, they'd go back in time.

Only CW back in time was overweight, odd and could not get a spouse.

I wonder is SW made a huge mistake, psychologically, when she tried her jokes on him, and much worse, made that video telling how she did not like him at first and how he followed her? Because in his eyes, now he was thin, sexy and able to get relationships. And she remembered him the way he used to be. And told the world about it.

Maybe he deleted his FB not to see her posts? Not because of anyone else? Because SW, alive, could always say, "when I met him, he was an overweight, awkward, inexperienced dude, I made him into what he is now"?

But he could get a spouse, he married SW?

 

[k-mac]

if preplanned ,premed whatever term pro cw's prefer is there, proves it kills off any possibility that SW killed the kids.


the genius idea to hide them in the oil tanks is not an after thought imo.
this alone is telling to me what he thought about when he was out in them fields at work all day.

 

[margarita25]

Absolutely. The efforts to use FB videos to accuse a victim of committing multiple counts of murder would be laughable, if not for the circumstances here. It’s just so incredibly unfair.

Maybe it’ll appear as ludicrous to the jury members as well, should there be a trial. In other words, a blessing in disguise: “You mean thaaat’s what you’ve got to show us here that Shanann killed her kids??”

( “It's unknown if the case will proceed to trial or if the district attorney's office will make a plea agreement available to Christopher Watts.”

What's next for Christopher Watts in murder case of Shanann Watts )

 

[Best of What's Around]

It’s not. And if you don’t want to look at both possibilities, I suppose that’s your prerogative. Some of us here want to look at both scenarios until we know more. JMO

Except I asked you about the evidence for the other possibility, after stating my own for CW as the murderer of all. But I have not heard back yet.

 

[MassGuy]

It’s not. And if you don’t want to look at both possibilities, I suppose that’s your prerogative. Some of us here want to look at both scenarios until we know more. JMO

Yup. I suppose that two evil strangulation killers could have simultaneously snapped.

I’m not willing to believe that though. With all the rest of it piled on top of that, its more than a bridge too far for me.

 

[katydid23]

Posters are saying that he would not like to be the guy known as leaving his pregnant wife. I see that people seem to accept adultry while wife is pg ,so I do not think that he would be concerned about it

WHO accepts cheating on their pregnant wife? Nobody that I know.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Yup. I suppose that two evil strangulation killers could have simultaneously snapped.

I’m not willing to believe that though, and with the rest of it piled on top of that, its more than a bridge too far for me.

Which I understand, but we don't actually have the girls COD yet.

 

[JudgeJudi]

I'm stillll catching up.

@MsBetsy

“If he has told so many lies, wouldn't they question why they should believe him? That is exactly what the jury asked Jodi Arias: " Why should we believe you now?" It seems to be very important to a jury. Imo”

JA wasn’t questioned the day after she murdered TA and the circumstances were very different to what we have here. When they exposed the fact that they knew she wasn’t where she said she was at the time, that’s when they asked her why should they believe her. In this case, LE was in the house the following afternoon and CW’s account was obviously deemed very suspicious. On Tuesday, the house was crawling with LE plus the dogs. After CW’s interviews that afternoon and his subsequent changing versions, they were obviously confident they had their man.

Getting back to your question, LE wanted to lock down his versions and get them in writing and their interviews with him would have been recorded. This is critically important because it doesn’t leave him anywhere else to go without raising even further suspicion. They wouldn’t want to alert him as to their line of thinking. I have no doubt that he’ll be found guilty as charged.

 

[mtnlites]

Posters are saying that he would not like to be the guy known as leaving his pregnant wife. I see that people seem to accept adultry while wife is pg ,so I do not think that he would be concerned about it

I don't know anyone who accepts a man cheating on his pregnant partner. Acknowledging that it happens maybe, but certainly not accepting it.

 

[MerryB]

An assumption based on the charges filed against him, his dishonesty in regards to her disappearance, and his actions following their deaths.

My response was part of a discussion on pre-planning. Would you agree that if he killed the girls first, there was likely pre-planning, but if SW killed the girls & he then killed her in response, there was none?

I think where we are getting tripped up in communication is the assumption that by looking at both scenarios, I am somehow defending C.W. I’m not interested in arguments; I’m interested in inductive & open-minded reasoning.

 

[MassGuy]

Which I understand, but we don't actually have the girls COD yet.

He says she strangled them. If they were smothered, well that’s just another damning lie.

I think he’s telling the truth in regards to COD, but the autopsy will let us know.

 

[katydid23]

You’re making the assumption he killed the children.

Not necessarily. He strangled his pregnant wife, knowing she was carrying his son. He didn't have to kill his son. But he made a decision to do so, when he began to strangle his wife. It had to have crossed his mind that he was killing his son too. But he kept squeezing.

 

[margarita25]

Delete

 

[Charlot123]

I agree that he wouldn't want to be known as someone who cheated on his pregnant wife. If he was okay being known as that kind of guy, then I imagine he could have left, but instead, he killed his family.
MOO

I think it matters more to us than to him. In his eyes, he is so desirable that women fall over him even when he has a pregnant wife.

 

[JudgeJudi]

@Jennifer17

“I have known two men who left their wives for other women that they were having an affair with and neither of them ended up marrying the AP. They both got an even younger than the AP model”.

Hubby and I were having a chat with a male friend and we were talking about this. I said, WTTE, “I don’t understand why middle-aged men who leave their wives frequently end up with a much younger woman”. He smiled and said, “JJ, when your hubby gets rid of his old car, does he trade it in for one the same age? No, he trades it in for a flashier newer model”.

 

[PommyMommy]

I think it matters more to us than to him. In his eyes, he is so desirable that women fall over him even when he has a pregnant wife.

Yes, and if he was okay being seen as someone who was cheating on his pregnant wife, then why did he lie about it to friends and law enforcement?
MOO

 

[JudgeJudi]

I think the anger came later, along with shock, as he began to squeeze her neck.

There wouldn’t have been time for anger. I believe it would have been absolute horror and then immediately trying to fight back. In life and death struggles, you don’t think, you simply react. It would have been terrifying as she instinctively fought for her life. She never stood a chance.

 

[Tigerlily75]

The main theme on “Evil Lives Here” on ID (fantastic show, everyone must check it out if you haven’t seen it), is that “But there had been signs” (that’s the main tagline of the show that comes up in text on every episode after the person being interviewed says initially how normal a killer appeared, often a spouse).

So what signs were there Shanann? She really must have been scratching her head I think wondering wth is going on with him...he muuuust have shown sooooome kind of odd behavior? At least in hindsight? (Not just the not being as attentive).

I always said that if I could ask SW any question, that would probably be it....were there aaaany indications that he was escalating towards something like this? Were there any signs?

Thanks, just set this to record! For anyone in Aus it’s playing from S1 Ep1 Oct 15 on Discovery channel

 

[katydid23]

My response was part of a discussion on pre-planning. Would you agree that if he killed the girls first, there was likely pre-planning, but if SW killed the girls & he then killed her in response, there was none?

I think where we are getting tripped up in communication is the assumption that by looking at both scenarios, I am somehow defending C.W. I’m not interested in arguments; I’m interested in inductive & open-minded reasoning.

I wouldn't agree to the bolded. When he began strangling his pregnant wife, he must have thought about his unborn baby boy. But he made the decision to keep squeezing the life out of her, knowing he would die too. That sounds like premeditation against the baby. JMO

 

[mtnlites]

My response was part of a discussion on pre-planning. Would you agree that if he killed the girls first, there was likely pre-planning, but if SW killed the girls & he then killed her in response, there was none?

I think where we are getting tripped up in communication is the assumption that by looking at both scenarios, I am somehow defending C.W. I’m not interested in arguments; I’m interested in inductive & open-minded reasoning.

Yes, I read the whole thread train of that discussion. If SW killed the girls and he honestly snapped and killed her in rage then no, I wouldn't think there was planning on his part. However, since I see no signs or evidence indicating that she killed them, that's not even a scenario I can seriously entertain.

I am not sold on it being pre-planned either way. I can see it both ways. I can see there being an accident with one of the girls and then him killing the other two in panic or whatever, and I can see him actually planning out the whole shebang. However, what I can't see is SW killing the girls.