Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

[?mysterian?]

That's kind of you to say, and you're welcome. I'll share one of my secrets! I use Pinterest. I have a board set up for each case. In this particular case, I've added sections for Family Annihilator resources, Strangulation, Court Appearances, etc. On each pin, I enter keywords such as "Dieter," "howling," etc. I can go straight to that board and/or section, enter ctrl F for "find," and whatever keyword I need. BOOM, there it is.

ETA: It also allows me to keep things that are not allowed to be posted here.
MOO

Thank you again for keeping up with everything you do keep up with, it's a big help!

 

[Charlot123]

Can you imagine the conversation the couple had, just previous to calling the police. Probably chilling when they started exchanging glances, talking to each other, comparing notes.

I think they did not compare notes, I think they were both shocked and then just called the police. Can you imagine how it looked like to anyone normal? I understand, CW was shy and somewhat socially awkward, but one emotion such people can show well is anxiety. Lack of tears would not be telling to me, but lack of anxiety, would. I would not expect a person whose whole family is missing to think of what kind of pizza to order.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I don't know if it was just me but "ghost town" was one of the parapraxes in the interviews. Adding those to the body language, my family and I all knew after the interview that no one would ever be seeing them alive again.

I learned a new word today!

A Freudian slip, also called parapraxis, is an error in speech, memory, or physical action that is interpreted as occurring due to the interference of an unconscious subdued wish or internal train of thought.

 

[rainynights]

Didnt Cw tell someone that LE told him not to search?

So they already knew. Maybe they should have warned the Thayers that he is the main focus and shouldn't be trusted.

Yes, CW spoke about that in one of his porch interviews.

From a transcript (also at link below):

6:38 – 6:46 – Colorado is, I mean, um, you can’t just drive around and look, I mean it’s just like, you wouldn’t really know what you were looking for that’s what the cops pretty much told me.

6:46 – 6:50 – That first day I was like I want to get out and drive around and they were like you wouldn’t know what to look for.

Video: Chris Watts pleads for kids, wife to return day before his arrest in their murders

IMO, it wouldn't be unreasonable for LE to make a comment like that when speaking with any other concerned family member of a missing person. If LE really said that to him (it's possible), I believe it would have been made in an effort to provide some level of comfort, as in, "we're the law, and we're going to investigate this. It's our job."

However. A typical family member of a person who is genuinely missing, wouldn't necessarily take those words so seriously, almost as if they were instructions, and not look for them. They would do whatever they could to locate their missing family member, even if it meant driving around aimlessly, IMO.

CW knew exactly where they were, and that they were dead. It's just absolutely pathetic, IMO, that he seemed to be using LE's words as a way to justify why he wasn't looking for them. Jmo

 

[mickey2942]

I hope they threw the oil away out of respect.

I know its not for human consumption. But still.

It would be interesting to know the actual monetary damages, remove the oil, clean out tanks, refill, if possible. I doubt that they discarded the oil. And the interruption of operations. The truck was probably held for evidence. Just the hassle, and being involved in the crime. It must have been substantial amount of money, time, effort.

 

[margarita25]

No. They can bring it up in opening. Then they can try to put on witnesses to attest to her "bizarre" or "unstable" behavior. The judge will decide whether it's relevant testimony or to allow it in.

In these cases we have sometimes seen a lot of latitude given to the defense though. Think about the Jodi arias trial. (And I know she testified but I'm talking in terms of what horrible, unfounded theories they allowed to be explored to dirty the name of the deceased).

They can try to put on "experts" to try to say that video or audio footage or SM posts or texts, voicemails, emails, whatever, evidence abusive behavior. They did that in the arias case.

In order to really prove she had mental health issues that could've led to her going off the deep end they'd likely though, have to have her doctors up there and/or evidence of calls to 911 due to suicidal ideation, threats, etc., attempts at psych holds, etc. Things we've seen in cases where women have annihilated their families.

And I have yet to see one such case where that kind of thing wasn't known and reported on within DAYS of the homicides. Not one.

If they go this route it's going to be a tough row to hoe. Because there's going to be a ton of evidence and testimony that evidences she was stable, IMO. Her close friends like NUA, who saw and spoke with her daily. The Thayers. School staff. Fellow parents. Colleagues in the business. Her doctors. Just the fact that her husband left the kids alone with her regularly.

Her life and how those around her interacted with and reacted to her evidence stability.

There's going to have to be a lot more than, "yeah she was successfully treated for some depression and anxiety issues. She continued with treatment and reported no significant problems."

And as I've said, I've yet to see a female family annihilator case when that stuff didn't come out very quickly.

Impressions or gossip from those desperate to believe CW won't be enough.

Great post, thank you gitana as always.

 

[Charlot123]

Anadarko petroleum corporation definitely has grounds for a civil lawsuit against CW.

Both oil tanks had to be completely drained for the body recovery operations. That probably cost quite a bit of money. I am sure that they just want it to go away, and their name be mentioned as little as possible.

Whoever was involved in gettting the bodies out will probably need therapy for a long time. Someone needs to see that these people get the help because what they saw is in excess of what a normal person should. And just the whole job of draining the tanks to get the bodies would make me horribly angry, I know I am repeating myself but I think if someone wanted to strangle CW afterwards it would not be an unexpected or unusual feeling. And it has nothing to do with the oil they decided to not use, or the money lost. Rather, with the whole process of draining the tanks to get the bodies.

 

[Mrspratcher]

I guess I am kind of appalled that, as Bella was being sprayed in the face and terrified, her father didn't step in and try to rescue her or put a stop to it.

He can do no wrong, don’t ya know?

 

[cailleach]

Did they say how difficult or easy they thought it might be to get the girls in through the holes ? Sorry I know it’s a morbid question!

He has small children in the same age group as the Watts girls and he kept illustrating the circumference and shaking his head in disgust. It made him ill, like stand-up, leave the office, and go to the bathroom ill. I felt bad for having asked him but I knew he was familiar with the case (one of many that believe CW is guilty on all counts) and with the tanks as his father owns a company in the industry and he worked there.

 

[Marli61]

Didnt Cw tell someone that LE told him not to search?

So they already knew. Maybe they should have warned the Thayers that he is the main focus and shouldn't be trusted.

Yes, he said it in one of the porch interviews. They probably didn't want him chasing around doing heaven knows what.

 

[NuttMegg]

I doubt that they discarded the oil.

Me too. But they probably had to filter it, very time consuming, and possibly store it for awhile (?)

 

[ZsaZsa]

Whoever was involved in gettting the bodies out will probably need therapy for a long time. Someone needs to see that these people get the help because what they saw is in excess of what a normal person should. And just the whole job of draining the tanks to get the bodies would make me horribly angry, I know I am repeating myself but I think if someone wanted to strangle CW afterwards it would not be an unexpected or unusual feeling. And it has nothing to do with the oil they decided to not use, or the money lost. Rather, with the whole process of draining the tanks to get the bodies.

You could never get those images out of your mind.

 

[WildWest]

Did they say how difficult or easy they thought it might be to get the girls in through the holes ? Sorry I know it’s a morbid question!

Not a lot of comfort, but I measured a 6 year old child, head, shoulder and hips would have fit an 8" hole without breaking bones. Also, as @Marli61 learned, there are also larger and oval thief hatches than the circle AB showed. I'm sorry, this family has so many people feeling sorry.

 

[Mellowmelly]

He has small children in the same age group as the Watts girls and he kept illustrating the circumference and shaking his head in disgust. It made him ill, like stand-up, leave the office, and go to the bathroom ill. I felt bad for having asked him but I knew he was familiar with the case (one of many that believe CW is guilty on all counts) and with the tanks as his father owns a company in the industry and he worked there.

It doesn’t sound good whichever way they were put in there, that poor man will probably never be able to look at those tanks again without thinking of Bella and Cece. Thanks for asking him what can’t have been an easy question to ask.

 

[Marli61]

Yes, CW spoke about that in one of his porch interviews.

From a transcript (also at link below):

6:38 – 6:46 – Colorado is, I mean, um, you can’t just drive around and look, I mean it’s just like, you wouldn’t really know what you were looking for that’s what the cops pretty much told me.

6:46 – 6:50 – That first day I was like I want to get out and drive around and they were like you wouldn’t know what to look for.

Video: Chris Watts pleads for kids, wife to return day before his arrest in their murders

IMO, it wouldn't be unreasonable for LE to make a comment like that when speaking with any other concerned family member of a missing person. If LE really said that to him (it's possible), I believe it would have been made in an effort to provide some level of comfort, as in, "we're the law, and we're going to investigate this. It's our job."

However. A typical family member of a person who is genuinely missing, wouldn't necessarily take those words so seriously, almost as if they were instructions, and not look for them. They would do whatever they could to locate their missing family member, even if it meant driving around aimlessly, IMO.

CW knew exactly where they were, and that they were dead. It's just absolutely pathetic, IMO, that he seemed to be using LE's words as a way to justify why he wasn't looking for them. Jmo

Right. I just couldn't imagine him not looking at all. Although, liar that he is, LE may not have said that at all.

 

[k-mac]

Truly bizarre, IMO.

My mother used to grab me and lock me between her legs and then take the vacuum cleaner tube and suction me all over as I screamed and screamed. It was super scary and super exciting and fun. It probably looked dreadful.

I guess she's a psychopath.

rsbm

this made my heart smile
thanks for sharing xx

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yes, CW spoke about that in one of his porch interviews.

From a transcript (also at link below):

6:38 – 6:46 – Colorado is, I mean, um, you can’t just drive around and look, I mean it’s just like, you wouldn’t really know what you were looking for that’s what the cops pretty much told me.

6:46 – 6:50 – That first day I was like I want to get out and drive around and they were like you wouldn’t know what to look for.

Video: Chris Watts pleads for kids, wife to return day before his arrest in their murders

IMO, it wouldn't be unreasonable for LE to make a comment like that when speaking with any other concerned family member of a missing person. If LE really said that to him (it's possible), I believe it would have been made in an effort to provide some level of comfort, as in, "we're the law, and we're going to investigate this. It's our job."

However. A typical family member of a person who is genuinely missing, wouldn't necessarily take those words so seriously, almost as if they were instructions, and not look for them. They would do whatever they could to locate their missing family member, even if it meant driving around aimlessly, IMO.

CW knew exactly where they were, and that they were dead. It's just absolutely pathetic, IMO, that he seemed to be using LE's words as a way to justify why he wasn't looking for them. Jmo

If your wife had really walked out with your two little children, the first thing to do would be pick up her phone and call everyone she knew, to help you locate her.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Not a lot of comfort, but I measured a 6 year old child, head, shoulder and hips would have fit an 8" hole without breaking bones. Also, as @Marli61 learned, there are also larger and oval thief hatches than the circle AB showed. I'm sorry, this family has so many people feeling sorry.

Thanks Wildwest, that’s at least hopefully one last horror their little bodies didn’t have to go through.

 

[Mrspratcher]

Your family was abducted on Monday but you spend the night at a friend's house on Tuesday?

Why?

Did LE force him to sleep somewhere else?

If so than that's strange.

Wouldn’t a Father whose family is “missing” want to stay at home in case his family re-appears?

Oh, that’s right - he killed them all. He knew where they were. That’s why he didn’t need to sleep there.

 

[margarita25]

Good Morning everyone. I don't have a lot of time today to post but last night we were discussing the water spraying video and whether it was relevant to the murders. Some said they thought SW looked sad. Others said they sensed anger in the video. It was suggested that possibly the affairs were already ongoing and SW and CW were not happy at the time. These are subjective opinions that anyone is free to have. It seems pointless to argue with opinions about the Watt's family's perceived happiness in a SM video. But I have re-watched it and I'm just stumped on how these conclusions are being drawn and what it has to do with the murders. Here is the video for anyone who has not seen it:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154470326696935

Here are some facts about the above video that are not based on opinion:
The video is 3 minutes and 17 seconds long.
This video was posted to SW's fb April 24, 2017.
This video happened approx 1 year and 4 months prior to the murders.
Bella would have been only 3 and Cece not yet 2.
Not once do we see SW's face in this video.
Bella was not harmed during this video.
Bella did not have an asthma attack.
CeCe was not harmed during this video.
The dog, Dieter, was not harmed.
CW was watching from inside the house and present inside the door with CeCe throughout the entire video.

My Opinions and Observations Only:
I see a happy giggling child playing a game with her mother.
When SW asks Bella to open her mouth for water, Bella complies and more giggling ensues. When SW asks Bella to show her belly, Bella complies again more than once and giggles and shrieks with joy while her mother squirts her belly with the water bottle.
In the beginning, SW asks CW not to let CeCe outside.
SW squirts the sliding door window pane in front of CeCe and mentions that CeCe doesn't like the water but loves to stay behind the slider and pretend she is getting hit with water.
This shows that SW was aware of how CeCe would react.
SW knows her daughters and has played this game before.
SW even gives the water bottle to Bella at one point so Bella can squirt the glass in front of CeCe. Bella squirts towards CeCe and then turns the water on her mom with glee.
SW only objects to the water coming at her because she has her phone and doesn't want to get it wet. She takes the water bottle back after a couple times of Bella spraying towards her.
In the very last seconds of the video Bella does start to get a little whiny and asks to go in, lifting her arms up to CW to open the door and pick her up. SW says jokingly to CW "no, don't save her". but the video ends as she lets Bella go inside.
SW doesn't force the child to continue when she gets a little upset. The video ends at that point.
At no time do I see any sign Bella is not enjoying the water play until the last seconds.
How some are concluding SW looked sad or may have been angry when we don't see her face once is beyond me.
One cannot possibly judge someone's emotional state from an approx 3 minute video in which you only hear her voice describing her water fight with her children as it occurs.
And that voice is not raised in anger nor yelling any insults during the video which would indicate anger.
She is not professing anything that is sad either-- the opposite is occurring as she describes how they love to play games like this with her kids (my interpretation of SW's saying "This is why we have kids").
To say that SW was sad because she enjoyed making her daughter laugh while spraying water is so far off the mark it would be funny if these were not murder victims we are discussing. Instead, I find that insinuation insulting and disgusting.
There is just no possible way to gauge if SW was actually sad behind her laughter at her child's giggles. Why people are trying to say that is baffling to me. And if she was sad 1 year and 4 months prior to being murdered by her husband, what does that reveal?
This video also offers no evidence of an ongoing affair 1 year and 4 months prior to the murders. That's not to say CW wasn't cheating yet (he is a proven cheater and proven liar now) but if he was cheating it is not revealed by this water spraying video.
We barely see CW. He stays inside behind the sliding door with CeCe and opens the door to let Dieter in once.
Like many of SW's videos, CW is only in the background and doesn't say much.
But he is aware of the situation the entire time it is happening.
Yet CW is not criticized by anyone criticizing SW for spraying Bella with water.
If this water play was so bad and dangerous to Bella, why didn't CW intervene sooner? Why is he given a free pass as to his actions?
What does anything in this video have to with the murders? I fail to see any connection. Aside from the sadly ironic end where SW's JOKES "Don't save her," contrasted with the gruesome reality that 1 year and 4 months later CW did NOT save Bella. CW proceeded to choke the life out of her and hide her body in an oil tank 1 year and 4 months later.
Are some saying SW's joking in a water fun video is a self-fulfilling prophecy? I'll agree it's eerie but it's not indicative of SW telling CW to murder his child and hide the bodies 1 year and 4 months prior to him doing it. Not by a long shot.
Lastly, I'm at a loss to understand how this video could be used in court. I don't think we will see it played but if we do it will be used to show how much JOY SW shared with her children.
A joyful life that was taken away too soon by CW.
MOO.

Well done, Gardener. Incredible post.