Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

[mtnlites]

It still strikes me at how super fast the police responded to this, and how quickly the media caught on and it became a big deal. I watch DISAPPEARED a lot and many times people have trouble getting LE to take them seriously at all. Or, if they do, it takes several days. They were basically jumping on this one just hours after someone last saw her, at a time when it could have been possible that she really did just take the kids and go off with some friends. I really want to know what the smoking gun was for them-did NUA confide in them with some info that we don't have yet (I am assuming so), did CW come off even shadier to them than he did to us in his interviews, etc.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I can understand if he wanted someone to come and stay with him. I don't know that I would've wanted to be alone. But for him to actually leave the house...

sorta sounds like he was thinking of this whole family missing thing as just a day job...

 

[Best of What's Around]

It still strikes me at how super fast the police responded to this, and how quickly the media caught on and it became a big deal. I watch DISAPPEARED a lot and many times people have trouble getting LE to take them seriously at all. Or, if they do, it takes several days. They were basically jumping on this one just hours after someone last saw her, at a time when it could have been possible that she really did just take the kids and go off with some friends. I really want to know what the smoking gun was for them-did NUA confide in them with some info that we don't have yet (I am assuming so), did CW come off even shadier to them than he did to us in his interviews, etc.

I think they sure did find CW suspicious...but I also think LE takes pregnant women and small children, without their meds, keys, car, phone, purse, etc, more seriously than an average adult IMO.

EDITED TO ADD: and they knew within a couple hours that she checked in and never checked out...(front cameras, locked back door)

 

[DexterMorgan]

I am not sure it was really a ' snap.'

I think he had contemplated killing the family for awhile. And during those 5 weeks of bachelorhood, he made up his mind. IT HAD TO BE DONE.

He planned to do it soon. After she returned. He'd choose one night, dispose of them, then return home from home and begin calling around, acting concerned.

WHY that night? I don't think he snapped. I think she forced his hand. I think she told him she was leaving with the girls in the morning. She knew about his girlfriend and she was done. He had to make up his mind, but she was leaving in the mean time, going to her friends house.

He PANICKED. I don't think he snapped so much as he panicked. He knew that if he let her leave the house that morning, he'd never have a chance to 'disappear' them. It was now or never...

Agree somewhat.

But he had to be at work in 5hrs after she got home.

And she was probably tired from a long day while having doctors appointments the same morning.

So they both should have been too tired whereas that type of discussion could have waited before the argument started.

 

[WildWest]

I hope that she does not disappear or is suspected of some crime. Imagine the field day that would be had from examining her Pinterest account!

:rofl: :lol:

 

[katydid23]

Agree somewhat.

But he had to be at work in 5hrs after she got home.

And she was probably tired from a long day while having doctors appointments the same morning.

So they both should have been too tired whereas that type of discussion could have waited before the argument started.

True. But you are not a pregnant woman. If she had found out that weekend. that he did have a girlfriend, then that topic of conversation couldn't wait.

She may have just said in quietly, as they laid down to sleep." By the way, we are leaving tomorrow, until you figure it out. I'm done... Good Night..."

 

[DexterMorgan]

True. But you are not a pregnant woman. If she had found out that weekend. that he did have a girlfriend, then that topic of conversation couldn't wait.

She may have just said in quietly, as they laid down to sleep." By the way, we are leaving tomorrow, until you figure it out. I'm done... Good Night..."

Agree. It definitely could have happened like that.

Which would explain a he snapped scenario.

But it's just something about the timing whereas it had to be done.

Because we all had the its possibly over discussion with our spouses before.

But still worked it out and are together today. Jmo

 

[WildWest]

I am not sure it was really a ' snap.'

I think he had contemplated killing the family for awhile. And during those 5 weeks of bachelorhood, he made up his mind. IT HAD TO BE DONE.

He planned to do it soon. After she returned. He'd choose one night, dispose of them, then return home from work and begin calling around, acting concerned.

WHY that night? I don't think he snapped. I think she forced his hand. I think she told him she was leaving with the girls in the morning. She knew about his girlfriend and she was done. He had to make up his mind, but she was leaving in the mean time, going to her friends house.

He PANICKED. I don't think he snapped so much as he panicked. He knew that if he let her leave the house that morning, he'd never have a chance to 'disappear' them. It was now or never...

I had a similar reaction seeing him doing the interviews, particularly the parts of them where he's infront of the garage. Like a scared little kid with chocolate on their mouth and lips trying to fib they did not eat the chocolate.

 

[human]

After His Pregnant Wife Vanishes, Husband Said Their Marriage Was Having Problems: Report

That’s when, Atkinson said, Chris allegedly made a surprising disclosure.
“I didn’t find out that they were going to separate or anything like that until I called Chris that morning,” she told ABC. “When I called him and asked him where she was, that’s when he told me and I basically told him that that wasn’t my [concern] at that particular moment, because it wasn’t and that their business was their business, that they would either work it out or they wouldn’t.”​

BBM
I wonder how many weeks CW may have been planning their murders. The VI who was a friend or family member of CW said he had told SW multiple times that he wanted out of their marriage. Maybe he just told HIS family and friends when he went back to NC for that final week. He could have told them not to mention it to SW or her family because she hadn't told them herself because she was still in denial.

Yes, there was the employee at her mom's salon who mentioned a possible separation but SW's closest friends didn't seem to know anything about a separation. NUA was her best friend, had just spent the AZ trip with her and was the last person to see her alive. She first heard from CW about a marital separation the first day they went 'missing'.

Idk, maybe it's just me but I would confide in my best friend before my own family. I never tell a family member something I wouldn't want everyone else in my family to know because they just aren't good at keeping secrets.

Anyway, my theory is that CW was planting the seeds in NC for his family and friends to back up his story about him wanting a separation. I think he even told them that she was threatening to take the girls and he would never see them again if he left her.

And if only his friends and family knew about a separation, that pretty much rules out him killing them in a rage because it means he was planning to kill them for weeks. MOO

The employee worked at SW mother’s salon?

 

[mtnlites]

I think they sure did find CW suspicious...but I also think LE takes pregnant women and small children, without their meds, keys, car, phone, purse, etc, more seriously than an average adult IMO.

EDITED TO ADD: and they knew within a couple hours that she checked in and never checked out...(front cameras, locked back door)

Yes, but the fact that they even checked the cameras at all...That would never happen where I live, not if the mother was missing as well. We have had women disappear with the kids and our LE just shrugs it off. Happened last year when a mother and son disappeared. LEwouldn't ping the cell phone or anything. They just figured she got mad and took off. Several days later a hiker found her body, with the son close by. They'd been thrown off a cliff. And that poor woman, Tonya, who laid in a ravine for a week. She almost died because LE wouldn't take her husband seriously. It's good that they jumped on this when they did, but that definitely isn't something that's done across the board.

 

[margarita25]

Yes, CW spoke about that in one of his porch interviews.

From a transcript (also at link below):

6:38 – 6:46 – Colorado is, I mean, um, you can’t just drive around and look, I mean it’s just like, you wouldn’t really know what you were looking for that’s what the cops pretty much told me.

6:46 – 6:50 – That first day I was like I want to get out and drive around and they were like you wouldn’t know what to look for.

Video: Chris Watts pleads for kids, wife to return day before his arrest in their murders

IMO, it wouldn't be unreasonable for LE to make a comment like that when speaking with any other concerned family member of a missing person. If LE really said that to him (it's possible), I believe it would have been made in an effort to provide some level of comfort, as in, "we're the law, and we're going to investigate this. It's our job."

However. A typical family member of a person who is genuinely missing, wouldn't necessarily take those words so seriously, almost as if they were instructions, and not look for them. They would do whatever they could to locate their missing family member, even if it meant driving around aimlessly, IMO.

CW knew exactly where they were, and that they were dead. It's just absolutely pathetic, IMO, that he seemed to be using LE's words as a way to justify why he wasn't looking for them. Jmo

Yeah Chris, ask Omar Holguin about searching for a loved one here in Weld County. In this case it seems LE has advised and encouraged family to go out there and search. Nothing is stopping him from searching for his sister in these parts, despite LE stating it could be difficult to locate her (in other words, the whole “you wouldn’t know where to look” sounds like BS to me, or like you said they said it in a supportive way):
“Holguin, a brother of Rita Gutierrez-Garcia, climbs out of a culvert while searching for her body near the intersection of Weld County Roads 7 and 26 Sunday morning. To view more photos and a video visit timescall.com. Lewis Geyer/Staff Photographer July 15, 2018”
Rita Gutierrez-Garcia's family, friends still searching for missing Longmont woman

(WS link for reference for our new local NOCO members brought here via Shanann and the girls, searches are ongoing:
Deceased/Not Found - CO - Rita Gutierrez-Garcia, 34, Longmont, 18 March 2018 )

ETA: One beauty of WS is that hopefully locals brought in by a case will stick around to help with others and become aware of other cases in their areas (and beyond)

 

[DexterMorgan]

Now Scott Peterson had a plan. Kill Laci before the scheduled fishing trip and dump the body.

Plus others used cruises or hiking or scuba diving or at least left the bodies in the house while supposedly blaming another possible.

But CW did none of that while knowing the cameras was on his house.

So what drugs was he smoking and was he tested for drugs in his system?

 

[tmar]

I actually believed that when he said the house is so empty, he left the lights on, etc, I think in this particular case he was telling the truth and he was scared stiff that one of them would pop out of a closet if he let himself fall asleep. I hope he is too terrified to go to sleep for the rest of his pathetic worthless life.

I am hoping, CW is already having nightmares, and they continue for the rest of his pathetic existence.
He cares how he is portrayed, as asked the Thayers, this question, regarding his interviews.
It is just wonderful, that CW will hear, how he is portrayed, all around the world, in numerous countries: so not only in his town, but everywhere, and the trial hasn't started.

I hope he constantly is reminded, how he is portrayed: the world just does not understand this person.
He can explain, if he wishes.

 

[WildWest]

It still strikes me at how super fast the police responded to this, and how quickly the media caught on and it became a big deal. SBM They were basically jumping on this one just hours after someone last saw her, at a time when it could have been possible that she really did just take the kids and go off with some friends. I really want to know what the smoking gun was for them-did NUA confide in them with some info that we don't have yet (I am assuming so), did CW come off even shadier to them than he did to us in his interviews, etc.

ditto

 

[Alethea]

That's kind of you to say, and you're welcome. I'll share one of my secrets! I use Pinterest. I have a board set up for each case. In this particular case, I've added sections for Family Annihilator resources, Strangulation, Court Appearances, etc. On each pin, I enter keywords such as "Dieter," "howling," etc. I can go straight to that board and/or section, enter ctrl F for "find," and whatever keyword I need. BOOM, there it is.

ETA: It also allows me to keep things that are not allowed to be posted here.
MOO

PommyMommy if you are ever investigated by LE for anything I will write you an affidavit testifying to the truth of your purely academic interest in the subjects on the house.

 

[MerryB]

Now Scott Peterson had a plan. Kill Laci before the scheduled fishing trip and dump the body.

Plus others used cruises or hiking or scuba diving or at least left the bodies in the house while supposedly blaming another possible.

But CW did none of that while knowing the cameras was on his house.

So what drugs was he smoking and was he tested for drugs in his system?

I do not believe C.W. was on drugs. Rather, I believe it was unplanned. IMO it’s obvious there was just no plan.

 

[Mrspratcher]

I do not believe C.W. was on drugs. Rather, I believe it was unplanned. IMO it’s obvious there was just no plan.

Plans cut short by NUA

 

[MassGuy]

I do not believe C.W. was on drugs. Rather, I believe it was unplanned. IMO it’s obvious there was just no plan.

I don’t think it is “obvious” that there wasn’t a plan.

The plan may have been vague, and it certainly wasn’t well executed, but things would look very different had Shanann’s friend not acted as early and aggressively as she did.

I just don’t think we have enough information to discern premeditation here.

A plan gone awry isn’t proof that there was no plan.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Plans cut short by NUA

In your opinion maybe, but I've seen no evidence of this being pre-planned IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

In your opinion maybe, but I've seen no evidence of this being pre-planned IMO.

No. It isn’t an opinion that NUA completely destroyed any further opportunity for CW to conceal evidence.

It is an opinion what specifically CW would have otherwise done, had he the benefit of more time.