Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

[MassGuy]

What evidence are you currently aware of that leads you to believe this was pre-planned?

I’ve said repeatedly, that I don’t see enough evidence in order to make the call as to the level of premeditation here.

His postoffense actions were rational, evil, and calculated.

But that doesn’t prove that he planned for these killings to occur on the specific night in question.

Hopefully we learn more from the autopsies.

 

[margarita25]

Thank you for sharing that.
That's love. The love of a brother searching for his sister. ♥

Such a remarkable contrast to the despicable CW, who lies, stands around doing nothing, and eats pizza knowing his dead wife and daughters were dumped out in the middle of nowhere in a silent, desolate place. Jmo

Thank you, my point exactly, especially considering this is also here in Weld County. That excuse isn’t going to fly here because there are plenty of places to search and Omar is a good example of this. Of course unfortunately this is a recovery mission now but it has not always been to them. And also, we are not talking about searching ditches here, other family members I’ve seen go out driving around checking everywhere a missing family member could possibly be, with friends, shop parking lots, parks, etc, etc. Of course he knew where they were. Dead in crude oil tanks.

 

[DexterMorgan]

If I hear they supposedly had sex before the emotional conversation. Than I will automatically think that the kids were killed and CW raped and killed his wife. Jmo

Because too many husbands pretend that it was a sensual night but the spouse ended up dead after hubby blacked out during an emotional conversation after a supposed consensual sex encounter. Jmo

But now since the kids are dead.

I bet not hear that we actually had sex before all of this took place in a 2hr time frame before everyone was killed. Jmo

 

[Allabouttrial]

I actually wonder why he did not dispose of them more effectively given the time he had alone. Just tossing them in the garbage seems ... pretty dumb. He did voice his concern that he was going to be the obvious suspect. Maybe he believed LE had him under surveillance (no idea if this is true) so he could not just go somewhere and dump them. Opinion/Speculation only.

I have to agree, it does seem dumb. It was queried in another thread as to why he wouldn't just wash them?! You may be right with regard to thinking he was under surveillance.

 

[MerryB]

Actually, it is obvious there was a plan. Now WHEN that plan, however half-baked it was, came about we do not know. But those bodies did not hide themselves, CW did not get to work in timely fashion by accident, dead wife did not text/call herself, and a story that they were missing did not concoct itself. This was a plan. No plan would have been finding CW home in shock, devastation, and/or grief IMO.

IMO the things you’ve listed don’t indicate pre-planning. They do, however, indicate a cover-up after the fact.

 

[tmar]

It was said here earlier, he was "waiting for a knock at the door", and could likely have been leaking more truth in his lies, afraid it would be a knock on the door from police.

No, it would be the Devil: Welcome, you have joined our club.


An edit added: CW was thinking, his interviews were great, no one suspects him, the Police have no idea.
But his mate, the Devil does Know: CW will share his cell with him forever.

 

[JDough]

No. It isn’t an opinion that NUA completely destroyed any further opportunity for CW to conceal evidence.

It is an opinion what specifically CW would have otherwise done, had he the benefit of more time.

I agree 100%.

If he was willing to dispose of their bodies in a shallow grave and oil tanks, what more might he have done? Given the timeline, I seriously doubt (my opinion) he had time to hide/conceal anything else before loading them into his truck and leaving for the oil fields. I am assuming he was in a hurry.

Because NUA was an amazing and concerned friend, she contacted not only CW, but LE. Because LE arrived (before CW) the same day this happened and searched the home, CW did not have the opportunity to hide/conceal anything more than be already had (fact).

 

[k-mac]

I actually wonder why he did not dispose of them more effectively given the time he had alone. Just tossing them in the garbage seems ... pretty dumb. He did voice his concern that he was going to be the obvious suspect. Maybe he believed LE had him under surveillance (no idea if this is true) so he could not just go somewhere and dump them. Opinion/Speculation only.

imo he dumped them in the bin because the cops had already been through the place and checked the bins so from here that's already ticked off the check list so home free to dispose of stuff right under LE nose.
ive got this covered , got em bluffed. too easy.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Yes, but the fact that they even checked the cameras at all...That would never happen where I live, not if the mother was missing as well. We have had women disappear with the kids and our LE just shrugs it off. Happened last year when a mother and son disappeared. LEwouldn't ping the cell phone or anything. They just figured she got mad and took off. Several days later a hiker found her body, with the son close by. They'd been thrown off a cliff. And that poor woman, Tonya, who laid in a ravine for a week. She almost died because LE wouldn't take her husband seriously. It's good that they jumped on this when they did, but that definitely isn't something that's done across the board.

BBM part reminded me of post made by SW, it's the kind of jokey comment we often make here, about how somehow we might become involved in a murder case.

Shanann Watts

 

[MassGuy]

imo he dumped them in the bin because the cops had already been through the place and checked the bins so from here that's already ticked off the check list so home free to dispose of stuff right under LE nose.
ive got this covered , got em bluffed. too easy.

Fortunately, that’s not how it works, atleast if the LE organization is competent, which they certainly appear to be here.

 

[PommyMommy]

I hope that she does not disappear or is suspected of some crime. Imagine the field day that would be had from examining her Pinterest account!

They're secret boards so I don't scare the heck out of my family and friends, lol!

PommyMommy if you are ever investigated by LE for anything I will write you an affidavit testifying to the truth of your purely academic interest in the subjects on the house.

Thank you, Alethea! I hope I never need to take you up on that.

I don’t think it is “obvious” that there wasn’t a plan.

The plan may have been vague, and it certainly wasn’t well executed, but things would look very different had Shanann’s friend not acted as early and aggressively as she did.

I just don’t think we have enough information to discern premeditation here.

A plan gone awry isn’t proof that there was no plan.

This is exactly where I'm at. It could go either way right now.
MOO

 

[?mysterian?]

He’s broke. No point in suing him now.

But he'll be earning tens of dollars at his prison job once he's convicted. Every dime he earns should go to reimbursing all the agencies and companies that incurred costs because of what he did. And SW's family. His earnings shouldn't go to a commissary account for his use.

 

[mtnlites]

BBM part reminded me of post made by SW, it's the kind of jokey comment we often make here, about how somehow we might become involved in a murder case.

Shanann Watts

Both frightening and sad.

 

[k-mac]

Fortunately, that’s not how it works, atleast if the LE organization is competent, which they certainly appear to be here.

agree
im going for whats in CWs head lol

 

[Allabouttrial]

I agree 100%.

If he was willing to dispose of their bodies in a shallow grave and oil tanks, what more might he have done? Given the timeline, I seriously doubt (my opinion) he had time to hide/conceal anything else before loading them into his truck and leaving for the oil fields. I am assuming he was in a hurry.

Because NUA was an amazing and concerned friend, she contacted not only CW, but LE. Because LE arrived (before CW) the same day this happened and searched the home, CW did not have the opportunity to hide/conceal anything more than be already had (fact).

Then why wasn't the sheets found on the day LE searched the house?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

This could be the reason the items were found in the trash.
He forgot to take out the trash bin, so the items remained, so LE had access to them, plus the entire house and contents.
These certainly would provide clues, if the family were murdered while in bed.
I wonder if cadaver dogs, could pick up this scent, on the bedding, if that is the case.
If SW was murdered in bed, his theory of her strangling the girls, is thrown out the window.
MOO.

Exactly tmar. If the sheets were stuffed in the trash bin and lid on top, no one would have seen them, imo, CW didn't think he'd be suspected and LE checking out the bin.

 

[MassGuy]

But soon, I hope, LE will produce more evidence, before the trial.
We certainly will be busy then, as I believe loads more will be presented to nail CW.
We certainly will forget about squirt bottles etc
MOO.

Yes. And I genuinely hope that those FB videos fall by the wayside.

 

[margarita25]

No. It isn’t an opinion that NUA completely destroyed any further opportunity for CW to conceal evidence.

It is an opinion what specifically CW would have otherwise done, had he the benefit of more time.

I shudder to think about if they were still missing...many of us who clearly smell BS now might be approaching his thread much differently, had NUA not foiled the plan. Who knows, I might be even saying here right now “there is nothing to indicate that CW killed his entire family”, maybe playing devil’s advocate upon the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. However, considering the circumstances of him admitting to killing Shanann and disposing of all of them in crude oil tanks, etc, etc, etc.

 

[MassGuy]

Then why wasn't the sheets found on the day LE searched the house?

Police observed the sheets on the floor of the master bedroom. That matching sheet was obviously missing at that point.

 

[Mrspratcher]

But he'll be earning tens of dollars at his prison job once he's convicted. Every dime he earns should go to reimbursing all the agencies and companies that incurred costs because of what he did. And SW's family. His earnings shouldn't go to a commissary account for his use.

Definitely agree.