Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

[Best of What's Around]

IMO the things you’ve listed don’t indicate pre-planning. They do, however, indicate a cover-up after the fact.

You said it was obvious there was no plan. You did not say when. I would argue that those things are unlikely to occur when there is no pre-planning. They are evidence of furtherance of a plan IMO. They surely are not evidence of being a hapless victim in that house that night. Most of all, which I did not mention, was his poise/demeaner. It is IMO near impossible to maintain that casual demeaner, not to mention the smiles and banter, after the Greek tragedy that CW wants us to believe befell him. No way this came out of left field and he had never fantasized about it before IMO.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Yes. And I genuinely hope that those FB videos fall by the wayside.

Maybe, dolls covered by a twister mat and how much a lawnmower costs will also fall by the wayside. We can but dream.....

 

[MKZoo]

I have to agree, it does seem dumb. It was queried in another thread as to why he wouldn't just wash them?! You may be right with regard to thinking he was under surveillance.

I have to think not washing them would be explained by either, again, being dumb or there’s something on them that won’t wash out (eek). I don’t think we have any info as to what may have been on the sheets. Jmo.

 

[human]

Well he obviously snapped.

But why at the time of night? He was the one philandering. He had a neighbors camera on his house which makes the missing scenario harder to prove for him.

So what made him snap at 3am?

It just sounds like she was leaving him.

I think he seen something on her phone without her knowledge and he went beserk. Maybe N.C home listings or something. Idk

I wonder why that night as well.

Theories on here seem to point to him wanting to get rid of her. Wouldn’t he be happy if she is finally leaving?

I figured he wanted them gone because he would not have to pay child support. If she was the one making more money and they got shared custody, he may have ended up with getting child support from her.

I think five weeks on his own was a lot of fun for him. She may have said some snide things to him and he snapped. He probably fantasized getting rid of her for a long time and he didn’t like what she said. Then when done with her, he moved in to get rid of the ither hassles in his life. Freedom. Finished.

 

[Best of What's Around]

IMO the things you’ve listed don’t indicate pre-planning. They do, however, indicate a cover-up after the fact.

PS why cover up the death of the kids if your wife did it? He could have said she ran out of the house and only dumped her body. Hmmmmm...why get rid of the evidence that would "exonerate" him? Why desecrate the bodies of your beloved children whom you killed over? Oh, because you did it? It is the only possibility that makes fits IMO. Which is also why he never dialed 911....no one needed help from their mother's hands. Just his own. IMO

 

[margarita25]

Maybe, dolls covered a twister mat and how much a lawnmower costs will also fall by the wayside. We can but dream.....

Now this reminds me of a case I just saw on “Evil Lives Here”...a woman was married to man who suddenly began acting really strange (and later escalated to murder). There were many strange things he started to do and say (thinking his family was poisoning him, withdrawing, etc) but one thing that stood out to me was in the middle of the night iirc not only did the wife wake up to once to a pot on the stove burning in the middle of the night, but also a doll hanging from the ceiling in the living room or something like that.

Now I’m not saying the doll here was a similar act or not. I know you guys have discussed it could’ve just been innocent playing or whatever and honestly I don’t recall what the final assessment here was re: the creepy doll pic, but just wanted to note this is an odd similarity that caught my ear when I saw the show.

When was the doll incident again? Did you guys decide it’s unrelated here yet? Tia.

 

[tmar]

It was said here earlier, he was "waiting for a knock at the door", and could likely have been leaking more truth in his lies, afraid it would be a knock on the door from police.

Can you imagine the conversation the couple had, just previous to calling the police. Probably chilling when they started exchanging glances, talking to each other, comparing notes.

They had a murderer in their home, that they trusted.
They had their young child, in the next room.
'You never really know anyone', would be a thought, for the rest of their lives.
But they thankfully, have added another piece for the Prosecution, in contacting LE, as NUA has.
Both these friends have been invaluable.
MOO.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Now this reminds me of a case I saw on “Evil Lives Here”...a woman was married to man who suddenly began acting really strange (and later escalated to murder). There were many strange things he started to do and say (thinking his family was poisoning him, etc) but one thing that stood out to me was in the middle of the night iirc the wife woke up to a doll hanging from the ceiling in the living room.

Now I’m not saying the doll here was a similar act, t not. I know you guys have discussed it could’ve just been innocent playing or whatever and honestly I don’t recall the final assessment here re: the creepy doll pic, but just wanted to note this is an odd similarity that caught my ear when I saw the show.

Now that's the stuff of nightmares!

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe, dolls covered a twister mat and how much a lawnmower costs will also fall by the wayside. We can but dream.....

Absolutely. The efforts to use FB videos to accuse a victim of committing multiple counts of murder would be laughable, if not for the circumstances here. It’s just so incredibly unfair.

 

[Deleted member 182072]

The employee worked at SW mother’s salon?

Shanann Watts murder case: Friends, family recall life of slain NC native :: WRAL.com

"She mentioned about them having problems, Shanann and Chris," Search said.
Search said Onorati told her the two were planning to separate.​

Yes, she worked at the salon with SW's mom. IIRC, SW was helping with the salon remodeling, so I just assumed it was her mom's salon, but maybe that's not the case.

On the other hand, another employee at the salon said:

According to Fowler, Shanann shared her pregnancy news on the recent trip.
"She was glowing, they were excited," she said.
On the visit, Shanann brought her husband and their two daughters to the hair salon where her mother, Sandi Onorati, works.
​

Here we have two different versions of events from two different people who work at the same salon as her mom. But SW's closest friends didn't know anything about a separation and I have yet to read anything coming directly from her family about a separation.

 

[human]

And he would have that pesky child support to pay, have to sell the house and give her half of any profit realised, and would have to have his children for custody visits.
And he would be forever known as a man who broke up his marriage to a pregnant wife and two little children because he was playing around.

Adultry while a wife is pregnant seems to be considered just fine nowadays as far as I can tell

 

[tmar]

PS why cover up the death of the kids if your wife did it? He could have said she ran out of the house and only dumped her body. Hmmmmm...why get rid of the evidence that would "exonerate" him? Why desecrate the bodies of your beloved children whom you killed over? Oh, because you did it? It is the only possibility that makes fits IMO. Which is also why he never dialed 911....no one needed help from their mother's hands. Just his own. IMO

Certainly this will be an important point: so SW kills the kids, CW kills SW, then tries to hide all the evidence, to protect, his darling wife.
What a load of rubbish.
MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

Adultry while a wife is pregnant seems to be considered just fine nowadays as far as I can tell

CW would agree with you!

 

[PommyMommy]

Adultry while a wife is pregnant seems to be considered just fine nowadays as far as I can tell

Unless your pregnant wife and children are murdered. Then you have a big problem.
MOO

 

[margarita25]

Now that's the stuff of nightmares!

The main theme on “Evil Lives Here” on ID (fantastic show, everyone must check it out if you haven’t seen it), is that “But there had been signs” (that’s the main tagline of the show that comes up in text on every episode after the person being interviewed says initially how normal a killer appeared, often a spouse).

So what signs were there Shanann? She really must have been scratching her head I think wondering wth is going on with him...he muuuust have shown sooooome kind of odd behavior? At least in hindsight? (Not just the not being as attentive).

I always said that if I could ask SW any question, that would probably be it....were there aaaany indications that he was escalating towards something like this? Were there any signs?

 

[tmar]

Anadarko petroleum corporation definitely has grounds for a civil lawsuit against CW.

Both oil tanks had to be completely drained for the body recovery operations. That probably cost quite a bit of money. I am sure that they just want it to go away, and their name be mentioned as little as possible.

I hope they take their money, out of CW's goodies in jail for the remainder of his life, because to pay for the tanks/oil will take a long time.
No nice soap, chocs, no Christmas treats, no pleasant items of food ever.

 

[MerryB]

PS why cover up the death of the kids if your wife did it? He could have said she ran out of the house and only dumped her body. Hmmmmm...why get rid of the evidence that would "exonerate" him? Why desecrate the bodies of your beloved children whom you killed over? Oh, because you did it? It is the only possibility that makes fits IMO. Which is also why he never dialed 911....no one needed help from their mother's hands. Just his own. IMO

We were discussing whether there is evidence of pre-planning.
But, regarding the cover up, if he is innocent of killing his children (if), I believe his actions may have been a panicked attempt to cover the fact he had just murdered his wife.

 

[PommyMommy]

The main theme on “Evil Lives Here” on ID (fantastic show, everyone must check it out if you haven’t seen it), is that “But there had been signs” (that’s the main tagline of the show that comes up in text on every episode).

So what signs were there Shanann? She really must have been scratching her head I think wondering with is going on with him...he muuuust have shown sooooome kind of odd behavior? (Not just the not being as attentive).

I always said that if I could ask SW any question, that would probably be it....were there aaaany indications that he was escalating g towards something like this?

According to her friends, she suspected he may be cheating. Nobody (friends, family or otherwise) has indicated there were any signs it would escalate to murder.
MOO

 

[JDough]

Then why wasn't the sheets found on the day LE searched the house?

Do we know that sheets were not found in another location (master bedroom), or that LE searched the garbage when responding to a missing persons call (first time at the home)?

 

[AbbyG]

Do you know what? When he mentioned in his interview his house seemed to him like a "ghost town" and he had the lights up all night just in case they would "return" - I thought he might have been really afraid of their poor souls haunting him. If it was not that sad it would be somehow funny...

I also wondered if he wasn't preemptively explaining why he had the lights on all night, in case someone noticed - in fact he was doing some cleaning up, things he planned to do before reporting her missing when his plan got derailed.