Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[ZsaZsa]

Why would someone who observed his wife kill their children as he claims, immediately set about tampering with the evidence?

 

[MyBelle]

There was no defense team when CW made his self-serving accusations. He consulted his father and then made those self-serving accusations himself! The LE report was referred to in a People magazine article.

People cited unnamed sources and the DA has made it clear the law prohibits making such statements.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...IRE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.pdf

 

[MassGuy]

Your post just gave me a thought. "no inclination" of where they are, misused that word. There has been thoughts here that they were smothered vs. strangled and CW misusing those words too? @MassGuy used a different term too, was it choke hold?

Yeah. A chokehold is essentially a type of strangulation.

 

[MassGuy]

People cited unnamed sources and the DA has made it clear the law prohibits making such statements.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[J] PEOPLE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTIONS D29, D30, AND D31 MOTIONS TO REQUIRE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.pdf

Yup. And leakers still leak, regardless of the law.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Why would someone who observed his wife kill their children as he claims, immediately set about tampering with the evidence?

The hypothetical that @flourish posted earlier had a possibility.

 

[mtnlites]

Yup. And leakers still leak, regardless of the law.

Are we picking and choosing which "unnamed sources" we believe? If we're throwing them out then are we also throwing out the ideas that CW has a Bible and a family picture in his jail cell? Apparently some of the information must be based in truth because the defense got pretty uptight about these leaks.

 

[Best of What's Around]

The hypothetical that @flourish posted earlier had a possibility.

To which I replied with questions and points. Would be great to discuss it further, point by point. Otherwise, it is difficult to flesh out a hypothetical scenario, IMO.

 

[ZsaZsa]

The hypothetical that @flourish posted earlier had a possibility.

That was a rhetorical question. The answer is glaringly obvious.

 

[MyBelle]

CW was the one who accused SW of killing the kids and that was before he had an attorney.

There's 'no evidence' Chris Watts's wife killed their kids as he claimed, according to a new report

"Police have reportedly found no evidence of Watts' claims, saying instead that it suggests Watts killed all the members of his family himself.

An unnamed police source told People magazine:

"There is absolutely no evidence that she killed her children. None at all. And there is physical evidence to tie him to their murders. Strangulation is a very personal way to kill someone, with a lot of physical contact.

"Just based on the preliminary evidence, everything is consistent with him killing them all."

An unnamed source that has no ties to the DA or LE are not credible because such leaks are illegal.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...IRE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.pdf

 

[Mellowmelly]

I think he killed them all because he dumped his girls in oil tanks. Simply as that. This is the point where he lost his credibility to me as a "loving father". I have a little son myself. I could not ever imagine placing him into such a lost, dark and (for a living child) scary place. Makes me feel ill to even think about it. These tanks seem sooo huge. Never could this be a possibilty to me and I think same goes for many other loving parents. Seems to me just disrespectful. Of course there is still a chance that he just panicked after (pregnant and probably very exhausted) Shannan killed the girls. But then there is this interview where he went from allegedly rage and panic to calmness. He seemed to be nervous but not sad or even shocked. For me there is absolutly no doubt...

I agree, any loving parent would give their life for their child, not take their child’s life and any loving parent would still want to protect their deceased child’s remains, comfort them, bury or cremate them with their favourite cuddly toy ect, not dump them in oil tanks. Fair enough if your life is so bad, commit suicide, go AWOL but harm murder and dump your child...NEVER.

 

[Best of What's Around]

An unnamed source that has no ties to the DA or LE are not credible because such leaks are illegal.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[J] PEOPLE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTIONS D29, D30, AND D31 MOTIONS TO REQUIRE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.pdf

Is it illegal for another inmate to talk to his friend on the outside and that friend tell media?

 

[Jennifer17]

An unnamed police source told People magazine:
An unnamed police source doesn't hold much credibility IMO.

Nor do mean who lie and lie and lie on national television.

 

[Thepoet]

In talking about premeditation, what I mean to convey is my indecision as to if CW planned all along to kill SW and the kids on that night.

I’m not talking about legal premeditation, what I am talking about is the level of thought that went into this.

Specifically, were the kids already dead before Shannan arrived home?

Did he have a specific plan in place to commit this crime on this night?

When I say “premeditation” this is what I mean.

I have no interest in delving into the legalese here.

I believe he had a plan in his mind, but possibly not a timeline, not an exact date to carry out the murders. He probably entertained himself with thoughts of what he could/would do and then what his life would be like; carefree and happy. Something happened between the return from NC and SW's Arizona trip that triggered things! I believe he killed the girls before SW arrived home. I think part of her not feeling well was worry. She arrived home, put everything down, removed her shoes and rushed upstairs to check on her daughters. It seems that CW wouldn't let her speak to the girls earlier (before she got home) and we know that SW didn't leave things lying around (shoes, purse, keys, suitcase). So, why that night? It's out of character, even if she was tired and didn't feel well! Then, CW attacks her and subdues her before she can fight back. Her phone ends up in the cushions. He carries her body the short distance to their bedroom and bed, so he can use the fitted sheet to cover/move her. This may not have been an active plan, but I believe it was in his mind and became reality when something triggered it! Since NUA has said little about SW wanting to leave CW, and she would know, I have to believe either something happened with the AP or he accidently killed one of the girls and then did a Jeffery MacDonald on everyone else. JMHO

 

[Amonet]

An unnamed source that has no ties to the DA or LE are not credible because such leaks are illegal.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[J] PEOPLE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTIONS D29, D30, AND D31 MOTIONS TO REQUIRE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.pdf

If the source had no ties to the DA or to LE, it seems odd that the defense keeps bringing it up and holding the DA's office responsible for it and saying that as a result they won't get a fair trial for their client?

 

[MyBelle]

Are we picking and choosing which "unnamed sources" we believe? If we're throwing them out then are we also throwing out the ideas that CW has a Bible and a family picture in his jail cell? Apparently some of the information must be based in truth because the defense got pretty uptight about these leaks.

The defense got uptight because such leaks are not allowed. Period. I don't believe unnamed sources used by tabloids and celebrity magazines. JMO

 

[Jennifer17]

People cited unnamed sources and the DA has made it clear the law prohibits making such statements.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[J] PEOPLE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTIONS D29, D30, AND D31 MOTIONS TO REQUIRE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.pdf

It was dismissed IIRC.

 

[?mysterian?]

Okay so suspending disbelief momentarily for a hypothetical. If IF CW's story were true, should he not be allowed to tell his story simply because SW is now dead? Should he be barred from using his defense because it's distasteful?

If so, why? Should he be expected to "protect" her good name and just take the fall for it all?

Again, suspending disbelief.... Should he not be allowed to tell his story even if it were true?

Ok, given what we know, how do we determine what is true? This is a sincere question, and I genuinely want to know, if CW is telling the truth, how do we know? How do we determine what to believe and what not to believe in this hypothetical situation?

 

[Jennifer17]

The defense got uptight because such leaks are not allowed. Period. I don't believe unnamed sources used by tabloids and celebrity magazines. JMO

All kinds of suppositions and accusations and diagnosis of mental problems SW is supposed to have have had, have been made with no basis in fact.

 

[Thepoet]

People cited unnamed sources and the DA has made it clear the law prohibits making such statements.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[J] PEOPLE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTIONS D29, D30, AND D31 MOTIONS TO REQUIRE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.pdf

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2. The law DOES NOT prohibit such statements unless there is a court order.

3. The judge denied the defense motion for an investigation into leaks.

 

[BeanieBod]

Chris Watts Has a Family Picture in His Jail Cell, Says Source: 'He Has Nothing To do But Reflect'

His cell is no less sparse. PEOPLE has learned . . .SBM

Who is this source for this information? How is this information being leaked? The defense team raised holy heck about information be leaked and the denied investigation of same. IMHO, someone in the jail or on the defense staff is putting this stuff out there. I wonder what the purpose is.