Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[RachB65]

I don't think that's just you. If I was in SW's position, I'd give him a swift kick in the pants as well and the next day, I'd be seeing an attorney and filing for divorce.

BBM
I have a feeling that could be what happened here. I really want to know what their texts to each other were while she was in NC and AZ. She may have been exhausted and defeated when she returned home. He may have said he was gonna be leaving soon. Her response may have been resolute, saying she was gonna just get a lawyer and get a divorce. And make him pay. I can see him snap and lash out at her, considering their past and/or present financial issues. I dont know if he planned to end the marriage completely or just wanted to go off and be single for awhile yet still keep his family to fall back on/return to. Then her decisive plan and threat enraged him because im quite sure he knew what financial stress he faced by leaving.
Just speculating
MOO
ETA
I keep thing of the words "ultimately strangling her" in the affidavit.
Ill bet there was at least one blow to her head. JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

SW knew something wasn't right with CW and her marriage was in trouble. She told NUA that she will need her support more than ever as she arrived home.

This means to me that she was planning to do everything possible to save her marriage. Not strangle her babies to death. She wouldn't ask for friend's support, then go strangle her babies. She knew no one would support strangulation, I'm sure.

I think she may have said that because she had come to a decision about the separation, and after 5 weeks alone with the kids was more determined to go through with it and knew she would need the support of her friends. She still may have hoped to work it out, and I do think she loved him, but I think the reality was sinking in and she had begun to mentally prepare for it while in NC with her family. Jmo

 

[MyBelle]

The fb group want the death penalty, where is the vigilante group ready to kill him the minute he leaves jail if granted bond?
CW is yesterday's news. Unfortunately, as we speak, there are FA's waiting in the wings. We can only hope, those in danger, use their gut instincts and remove themselves and their children to safety.

OT - I don't believe in the death penalty and have no wish to join some obscure fb group discussing the subject.

We'll agree to disagree about what is "yesterday's news." The news story I linked was from just a few days ago and the story mentioned the Facebook group so evidently the Denver reporter thinks it is news. I've seen defendants in several high profile murder cases such as the Tibbetts murder wear bullet proof vests so apparently LE doesn't discount the threat of vigilante violence.

JMO

 

[MKZoo]

Yes. Setting up a scenario where she plausibly could have taken the kids and fled.

Later, it set up a scenario where she murdered her children.

He milked that lie for all it was worth.

Points for trying though.

This is why I’ve never understood the people who were suspicious of NUA’s immediate alarm that day. CW essentially told her two diametrically opposed stories. One, that it was all good and they were at a play date. Two, oh btw, we totally decided to break up in the middle of the night. IMO, he wanted NUA to be worried. If she was not worried, no one was going to believe SW ran away with the girls out of revenge or whatever he was trying to pull off at that moment.

 

[Best of What's Around]

We'll agree to disagree about what is "yesterday's news." The news story I linked was from just a few days ago and the story mentioned the Facebook group so evidently the Denver reporter thinks it is news. I've seen defendants in several high profile murder cases such as the Tibbetts murder wear bullet proof vests so apparently LE doesn't discount the threat of vigilante violence.

JMO

Is there a case where a defendant or his attorneys ask for them to be kept in jail for their own safety instead of being able to post bail? I thought that was what we were discussing?

 

[pocketaccent]

Big holidays are coming up and I feel so sad for SW's family, as well as CW's. No more Halloween, Thanksgiving, or Christmas for SW, Bella, CeCe. No Christmas presents to wrap for SW, Bella, and CeCe. Or CW. Heartbreaking.

 

[MsBetsy]

BBM
I have a feeling that could be what happened here. I really want to know what their texts to each other were while she was in NC and AZ. She may have been exhausted and defeated when she returned home. He may have said he was gonna be leaving soon. Her response may have been resolute, saying she was gonna just get a lawyer and get a divorce. And make him pay. I can see him snap and lash out at her, considering their past and/or present financial issues. I dont know if he planned to end the marriage completely or just wanted to go off and be single for awhile yet still keep his family to fall back on/return to. Then her decisive plan and threat enraged him because im quite sure he knew what financial stress he faced by leaving.
Just speculating
MOO

I think he was done with the marriage as soon as his wife and children no longer served a purpose for him. I believe initially he loved feeling like the hero who took care of his wife when she was sick and in her eyes was the greatest dad, and when he realized she no longer adored him or didn't feel appreciated any longer, he began to resent her and the kids. Maybe it slowly built up over time. Although he may not have expressed it, I think he had a great deal of anger brewing inside him. I dont think it was just that he wanted to end the marriage, I think he wanted to end his entire family. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

This is why I’ve never understood the people who were suspicious of NUA’s immediate alarm that day. CW essentially told her two diametrically opposed stories. One, that it was all good and they were at a play date. Two, oh btw, we totally decided to break up in the middle of the night. IMO, he wanted NUA to be worried. If she was not worried, no one was going to believe SW ran away with the girls out of revenge or whatever he was trying to pull off at that moment.

Yeah. She knew something was wrong, and literally did everything one could possibly hope a friend would do.

She acted upon her instincts, which is no easy feat.

He was trying to sell her a story, one that she wasn't buying. He had to do this as a matter of self preservation, fortunately no one bought it.

 

[Johnny1181]

Agree - add to that spending the rest of her life in prison or face the death penalty? All that for him? I also don't think

We'll agree to disagree about what is "yesterday's news." The news story I linked was from just a few days ago and the story mentioned the Facebook group so evidently the Denver reporter thinks it is news. I've seen defendants in several high profile murder cases such as the Tibbetts murder wear bullet proof vests so apparently LE doesn't discount the threat of vigilante violence.

JMO

All the more reason to use the favorable information that may be in the autopsy reports to get bail and hide away out of the public eye before getting locked away for life. If the favorable info were there, I would think it would be used by the defense to put their client in a safe space to enjoy the last days of freedom he has. Rather than subjecting him to the dangers of an FA in jail and the bullet proof vests and all that inconvenience. As was previously mentioned, OJ and Casey Anthony have managed to stay safe outside of bars despite public opinion against them.

I mean after all, no one is going to go through the hell of being in jail just because they think it's a safe place to be.
All jmo

 

[Best of What's Around]

Big holidays are coming up and I feel so sad for SW's family, as well as CW's. No more Halloween, Thanksgiving, or Christmas for SW, Bella, CeCe. No Christmas presents to wrap for SW, Bella, and CeCe. Or CW. Heartbreaking.

I know. But at least, thanks to LE, they at least have the knowledge of what happened and could give them a proper ceremony/burial. If CW had his way, they would all still be losing sleep worrying and searching.

 

[MassGuy]

I know. But at least, thanks to LE, they at least have the knowledge of what happened and could give them a proper ceremony/burial. If CW had his way, they would all still be losing sleep worrying and searching.

Yup. That's one of just a number of sick things that he did. If you can kill your family, I guess you don't care about a proper burial though.

 

[MyBelle]

Why is it impossible to see SW had a motive? I find it plausible she had several.
1. Divorce
Woman have killed husbands that left them
2.money
She had a lot to lose
The exact reasons CW had motive are the same for her

I agree with you because women have killed their own children when husbands have left them for another woman. It seems to be more about revenge no matter which parent commits the heinous act. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I agree with you because women have killed their own children when husbands have left them for another woman. It seems to be more about revenge no matter which parent commits the heinous act. JMO

This is something well documented with men. The numbers aren’t even close when comparing men with women in regards to these types of crimes.

When women kill their kids, there are always huge warning signs beforehand. Police calls, hospitalizations, DCF intervention, etc.

There is nothing like that here.

On top of that, she was pregnant. I can’t find a single case that contains the elements we have here.

Unless we’re talking about a man doing something like this, of which I can find dozens of examples.

One happens with disconcerting regularity. The other never happens.

On top of it, this guy does the one thing that only a child killer could do, dump their bodies like trash.

And easily lie about it.

He’s right where he belongs.

 

[Johnny1181]

I agree with you because women have killed their own children when husbands have left them for another woman. It seems to be more about revenge no matter which parent commits the heinous act. JMO

Do you have links to examples in which a pregnant, successful, loving wife, mother, and friend came home from a strenuous trip and strangled her babies? And then rather than saving his babies, one of whom he saw being "actively strangled", the cheating, lying husband strangled his loving wife and mother of his children rather than attempt to save their lives and call for help?

And then loaded up his dead family into the back seat of his truck and then drove with them dead behind him to his place of employment? Then gathered up his babies, one by one climbed stairs dump in oil, down again, back up, dump in oil. His wife and unborn son buried in dirt. At his hands.

Then smile, grin, lie, smirk, preen in a shirt for the cameras knowing he'd done this. Do you have a link to a case like this? jmo

 

[Best of What's Around]

I agree with you because women have killed their own children when husbands have left them for another woman. It seems to be more about revenge no matter which parent commits the heinous act. JMO

I am trying to find a case where both parents kill on the same night out of revenge and can't find any yet except where a male family annihilator killed his family and tried to blame it at least in part on his wife. Found 2 cases for that from the past.

 

[PommyMommy]

I agree with you because women have killed their own children when husbands have left them for another woman. It seems to be more about revenge no matter which parent commits the heinous act. JMO

Did the husband try to save the children in those cases or did he kill the wife, load all the bodies up and conceal the entire event?
MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I am trying to find a case where both parents kill on the same night out of revenge and can't find any yet except where a male family annihilator killed his family and tried to blame it at least in part on his wife. Found 2 cases for that from the past.

If his story is plausible, than the stories told by every accused murderer in history, must also be plausible.

In fact, if this is believable, then those stories must in fact be true. That’s because this one is the most “out there” fairytale that I have ever heard.

 

[Johnny1181]

@Shekkiec Are you able to provide links to the romantic getaway Shannan was planning before she was murdered that you have posted about? I've missed this info in the threads.

 

[molly1255]

BBM
I have a feeling that could be what happened here. I really want to know what their texts to each other were while she was in NC and AZ. She may have been exhausted and defeated when she returned home. He may have said he was gonna be leaving soon. Her response may have been resolute, saying she was gonna just get a lawyer and get a divorce. And make him pay. I can see him snap and lash out at her, considering their past and/or present financial issues. I dont know if he planned to end the marriage completely or just wanted to go off and be single for awhile yet still keep his family to fall back on/return to. Then her decisive plan and threat enraged him because im quite sure he knew what financial stress he faced by leaving.
Just speculating
MOO
ETA
I keep thing of the words "ultimately strangling her" in the affidavit.
Ill bet there was at least one blow to her head. JMO

I agree. I believe there were text messages when she was on her business trip and these messages may have been what enraged him. Also agree that the "ultimately strangling her" wording in the affidavit is curious and I wouldn't be surprised if he incapacitated her before he strangled her to death and there is another injury or injuries noted in the autopsy report on SW.

IMO, it will be very interesting to find out whether CW was a serial cheater. If SW not only discovered his current affair, but also discovered a history of AP's, would she even want to try to work on the marriage knowing her marriage was not "real". That her husband was not who she thought he was? That she'd been duped? Maybe for years, or maybe even from the start?

Was CW really in love with his affair partner? If he's a serial cheater, one AP replaces another and this goes on and on. Did he want out of the marriage? Maybe he enjoyed living in the big, expensive house and all of the trips SW won through MLM and the social life that seemed to center around SW's friends and the image of being normal and successful that his children and SW provided for him.

Would he have been enraged if SW told him she wanted out and he knew he would lose everything, be exposed as a fraud, and also be destroyed financially?

These are things I've seriously pondered.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Did the husband try to save the children in those cases or did he kill the wife, load all the bodies up and conceal the entire event?
MOO

In the case I'm most familiar with, the husband was already moved out but the wife tried to implicate him by injuring herself. Each case is unique. JMO