Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[Johnny1181]

I agree. But I don't think this shows that they want them out.

I think they are using leaving it to the deference of the court in a "throwing their hands up" kind of strategy to say it doesn't matter, he can't get a fair trial anyway. I think it's likely they don't feel they can stop them from coming out.

This doesn't indicate to me they want them out for any particular purpose or that they feel the results will be helpful to them. Based on this filing anyway.

As I said before perhaps for change of venue or appeals after conviction. Jmo and brainstorming

If they truly didn’t want them to come out, they would have responded quite differently - or not responded at all.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/D 039 Notice(1).pdf

 

[Best of What's Around]

This CO criminal defense attorney is not the most riveting podcast host I have seen by a long shot, but his take given his proximity to the case in CO and experience is interesting to me. He has a new one on this issue of the autopsy reports (with a definitive opinion on whether it should be released) released today. Thanks to @maeleemae for turning me on to his sporadic and informative (if lackluster for excitement) shows on this case.

 

[Indy Anna]

I don't know what the legal implications of the move is, but I just want to clarify that being antisocial is very different from being unsocial or withdrawn. People on the autism spectrum and people who are simply shy are no more likely to commit crimes than people in the general population. I cannot, nor can anyone else here, give CW a professional diagnosis, but I agree that he shows signs of sociopathy (anti-social personality disorder).

It will be interesting to see the results of CW's mental evaluations and the how they are used by the DA and the defense. MOO

 

[Moonracer]

Found this gem quote on the Chris Coleman case:
From Stella5
"Here we go folks... I'll bet we're going to hear how CC caught Sheri killing the boys, then he killed her and then covered it up to protect his Godly, good boy image. Any other theories?"
2011.04.28 - Day four of the trial - TL testifies

It's deja vu all over again.

OMGosh. Wow. Took a page right out of the FA playbook. Horrible.

 

[Moonracer]

This CO criminal defense attorney is not the most riveting podcast host I have seen by a long shot, but his take given his proximity to the case in CO and experience is interesting to me. He has a new one on this issue of the autopsy reports (with a definitive opinion on whether it should be released) released today. Thanks to @maeleemae for turning me on to his sporadic and informative (if lackluster for excitement) shows on this case.

I tried to watch him the other day, the podcast from his house. I just kept muttering, "Speak into the mike!" - but he says some interesting things, you're right!

 

[molly1255]

Misleading the prosecution, and a potential jury pool, and putting out a subterfuge in my opinion is critical to the defense. So I would agree with that.

I agree, Dixiegirl, and I think subterfuge is the only hope for anything other than conviction for all charges against him.

 

[molly1255]

If they truly didn’t want them to come out, they would have responded quite differently - or not responded at all.

I think it is also possible that from the standpoint of the defense, it might be better to have the reactions of shock and horror from the autopsy reports over with long before the trial.

 

[Doghairrules]

It’s the only thing that makes sense to me. For the judge to agree to keep the information sealed, it’s the only thing I can think of.

According to the article, it could also be health records of the victims.

 

[MyBelle]

This CO criminal defense attorney is not the most riveting podcast host I have seen by a long shot, but his take given his proximity to the case in CO and experience is interesting to me. He has a new one on this issue of the autopsy reports (with a definitive opinion on whether it should be released) released today. Thanks to @maeleemae for turning me on to his sporadic and informative (if lackluster for excitement) shows on this case.

He makes the same points that our VI Amandaaa has raised. He also says that it will not be difficult to find an objective jury even if the reports are released.

 

[borndem]

I believe a verified psychologist on here stated that symptoms of PTSD usually do not manifest right away; his actions afterward,killing Shanann, hiding the bodies, lying to friends, media and police are also not an immediate display of PTSD after the tragedy of allegedly seeing your wife kill your daughters

Yes, that's what I remember hearing, too. The psychologist said PTSD did not present itself immediately after the incident. Your post is a good recap of what I remember about that testimony.

 

[Amonet]

I fully realize I’m in the minority here - but I think there might just be something in those reports that is useful to the defense.

Ultimately, it’s anyones guess - and we will just have to wait and see...

I would say, and I hope you don't take offense as it's not meant that way, but something which could be useful in building a defense does not necessarily mean that CW didn't do it. So I do agree with you in the sense that the defense needs to try to build a case to argue from to 'defend' their client. And every client deserves a good defense whether they committed the offense or not.

 

[Best of What's Around]

He makes the same points that our VI Amandaaa has raised. He also says that it will not be difficult to find an objective jury even if the reports are released.

Yes, well he has a defense attorney’s perspective. Then again, the example he used made me laugh because I think he said a prospective client didn’t know anything about the case...but so far he has talked about defending violent crime I think it hurts finding an educated jury pool (eg those who watch the news at least) but it is Colorado law so I guess it will be released.

 

[maeleemae]

This CO criminal defense attorney is not the most riveting podcast host I have seen by a long shot, but his take given his proximity to the case in CO and experience is interesting to me. He has a new one on this issue of the autopsy reports (with a definitive opinion on whether it should be released) released today. Thanks to @maeleemae for turning me on to his sporadic and informative (if lackluster for excitement) shows on this case.

You’re on it faster than me Best of What’s Around!

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, that's what I remember hearing, too. The psychologist said PTSD did not present itself immediately after the incident. Your post is a good recap of what I remember about that testimony.

I didn't see the comments but I think PTSD will often present itself immediately in the form of nightmares, unable to eat, fear of being alone, etc.

First Responders in Florida Aren’t Covered for PTSD. That May Change After Parkland.

 

[Moonracer]

I would say, and I hope you don't take offense as it's not meant that way, but something which could be useful in building a defense does not necessarily mean that CW didn't do it. So I do agree with you in the sense that the defense needs to try to build a case to argue from to 'defend' their client. And every client deserves a good defense whether they committed the offense or not.

The defense has to put a good defense on or he'll get an appeal or new trial, I think - our Verified Attys will know that part. But what worries me is remembering CA's trial where in the opening B threw all those crazy claims out and coupled with the poor IT work claiming zillions of searches, CA walked free of the murder charge!

Will their opening likewise scramble the jurors' minds? Will they try that sneaky move? Bc I'm worried some jurors will buy the "she strangled them" spiel even if there's zero to back it up during the rest of the trial!

 

[stereopticons]

Is there a mental defense they could use to try to excuse/explain his cover-up behavior after the crime? Something like PTSD caused by seeing his girls killed?

I believe a verified psychologist on here stated that symptoms of PTSD usually do not manifest right away; his actions afterward,killing Shanann, hiding the bodies, lying to friends, media and police are also not an immediate display of PTSD after the tragedy of allegedly seeing your wife kill your daughters

That was probably me. PTSD can take months or years to manifest. In fact, in order to meet criteria for PTSD, symptoms have to persist for at least one month. And his actions after the murders suggest to me that he knew exactly what he was doing and was not a reaction indicative of any mental illness

 

[Amandaaa]

I would say, and I hope you don't take offense as it's not meant that way, but something which could be useful in building a defense does not necessarily mean that CW didn't do it. So I do agree with you in the sense that the defense needs to try to build a case to argue from to 'defend' their client. And every client deserves a good defense whether they committed the offense or not.

I completely agree. A good defense does not depend on innocence.

 

[Amonet]

This CO criminal defense attorney is not the most riveting podcast host I have seen by a long shot, but his take given his proximity to the case in CO and experience is interesting to me. He has a new one on this issue of the autopsy reports (with a definitive opinion on whether it should be released) released today. Thanks to @maeleemae for turning me on to his sporadic and informative (if lackluster for excitement) shows on this case.

Thanks for posting this. I saw one of his earlier videos about the case and thought it was good objective analysis and informed opinion from the standpoint of a defense attorney. This one was just as good.

 

[MyBelle]

I would say, and I hope you don't take offense as it's not meant that way, but something which could be useful in building a defense does not necessarily mean that CW didn't do it. So I do agree with you in the sense that the defense needs to try to build a case to argue from to 'defend' their client. And every client deserves a good defense whether they committed the offense or not.

I think the question of who murdered the girls is still very much up in the air.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I think the question of who murdered the girls is still very much up in the air.

I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest that yet.