Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[MyBelle]

I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest that yet.

CW suggested it when he confessed to strangling SW. His confession is evidence...unless the defense can get it thrown out. JMO

 

[Amonet]

CW suggested it when he confessed to strangling SW. His confession is evidence...unless the defense can get it thrown out. JMO

Confessions can be unsafe ground as far as whether they are strong evidence, though.

You can have false confessions.

CW has made an allegation that S killed the children, but I think it's a good idea to consider that a very questionable accusation as opposed to strong evidence. You do need to consider who is making the accusation, and if they're the only other person who could have committed a crime, then you have to consider them as a suspect and not rule them out based on their accusation against the only other adult in the house at the time.

It also seems reasonably common for family annihilators to accuse someone else of all or part of the crime, and that includes accusing their wife/victim of being the one who killed the children.

In a case like this the CW position individual has very strong reason to lie. CW did lie for days about killing his wife. Lying about who killed the children has a big benefit to him if he did it, because the difference in punishment for an angry killing of his wife is so different from a premeditated killing of three people including two young children.

Confessions are part of a story, but they can't be considered the be all and end all.

 

[Johnny1181]

CW suggested it when he confessed to strangling SW. His confession is evidence...unless the defense can get it thrown out. JMO

Evidence given by a proven liar, murderer, and cheater. Those facts should be taken into consideration reasonably when weighing evidence. jmo

 

[Best of What's Around]

CW suggested it when he confessed to strangling SW. His confession is evidence...unless the defense can get it thrown out. JMO

Yes, I see that as evidence of a liar backed into a corner trying a new lie to get out. I don’t give it much weight and I doubt the jury will without significant evidence to the contrary. After they see his 3 media interviews, combined with zero 911 calls that night, he’s toast IMO.

 

[MyBelle]

Confessions can be unsafe ground as far as whether they are strong evidence, though.

You can have false confessions.

CW has made an allegation that S killed the children, but I think it's a good idea to consider that a very questionable accusation as opposed to strong evidence. You do need to consider who is making the accusation, and if they're the only other person who could have committed a crime, then you have to consider them as a suspect and not rule them out based on their accusation against the only other adult in the house at the time.

It also seems reasonably common for family annihilators to accuse someone else of all or part of the crime, and that includes accusing their wife/victim of being the one who killed the children.

In a case like this the CW position individual has very strong reason to lie. CW did lie for days about killing his wife. Lying about who killed the children has a big benefit to him if he did it, because the difference in punishment for an angry killing of his wife is so different from a premeditated killing of three people including two young children.

Confessions are part of a story, but they can't be considered the be all and end all.

I didn't suggest confessions are the "be all and end all." I merely stated that CW's confession IS evidence unless the defense gets it thrown out. It will be up to the jury to decide credibility. JMO

 

[Johnny1181]

I didn't suggest confessions are the "be all and end all." I merely stated that CW's confession IS evidence unless the defense gets it thrown out. It will be up to the jury to decide credibility. JMO

I think the question of who murdered the girls is still very much up in the air.

You also stated the murderer of the girls is up in the air and suggested CW's confession is evidence to support that.
IMO, evidence given by a proven murderer, liar, and adulterer is not credible evidence. Particularly when said confessor admits to picking up his dead babies and wife, loading them into the back of his truck, driving with his dead family piled in the back seat, then dumping them one by one in oil and dirt.
Then showing off his shirt with a smile to the cameras. His word is hardly enough to leave things up in the air. jmo.

 

[Seattle1]

I agree, in part.

I think it was set up originally to the visitor logs as to interviewing for a mental situation which would help the defense. The defense did not want the prosecution to know who was visiting him. Because their credentials may be obvious to the prosecution as to their strategy.

And therefore HIPAA laws are now going in so the prosecution cannot see the results on that also. Both of them, I think were done to protect what the defense is going for in their strategy.

I agree with Gitana, very impressive defense attorneys.

Except the medical, professional, expert witnesses, etc. Visitor Logs are already protected, and not available without a court order. They're actually kept separate from the family and friends Visitor Logs, calls, and correspondence, which are public and/or not protected.

 

[Johnny1181]

I'm not trying to stir up the Thrive controversy - that's being done enough elsewhere. But there are so many similar products out there. SNL even did this parody:

ETA - I don't think the 'thrive' defense is going to work anymore than the 'she did it' defense.

IMO, while SNL is funny, this has nothing to do with this case. As far as I know, thrive is not marketed as a testosterone booster. Missing the point of this post I guess.

 

[Johnny1181]

Except the medical, professional, expert witnesses, etc. Visitor Logs are already protected, and not available without a court order. They're actually kept separate from the family and friends Visitor Logs, calls, and correspondence, which are public and/or not protected.

Good point. I wonder if this is true if he isn't trying to hide communication from his affair. Or perhaps he wants to hide a lack of visitors and support. jmo

 

[Seattle1]

I think the Judge might also find it odd and the news media will win.

I agree the media will prevail. However, no sitting judge will find the motion odd -- it played out exactly as expected!

 

[Deleted member 182072]

IMO, while SNL is funny, this has nothing to do with this case. As far as I know, thrive is not marketed as a testosterone booster. Missing the point of this post I guess.

I'm really not familiar with their product line to be honest, but this video reminded me of CW's before and after. I'll delete the post if it's against TOS.

 

[molly1255]

Evidence given by a proven liar, murderer, and cheater. Those facts should be taken into consideration reasonably when weighing evidence. jmo

I totally agree.

 

[MyBelle]

You also stated the murderer of the girls is up in the air and suggested CW's confession is evidence to support that.
IMO, evidence given by a proven murderer, liar, and adulterer is not credible evidence. Particularly when said confessor admits to picking up his dead babies and wife, loading them into the back of his truck, driving with his dead family piled in the back seat, then dumping them one by one in oil and dirt.
Then showing off his shirt with a smile to the cameras. His word is hardly enough to leave things up in the air. jmo.

The murders of the girls ARE up in the air and CW's confession is evidence. The evidence at autopsy such as DNA may also support his confession. That's my opinion.

 

[Amonet]

Evidence given by a proven liar, murderer, and cheater. Those facts should be taken into consideration reasonably when weighing evidence. jmo

I remember when I saw the trial for the murder of little Bella Bond that for some of the people put on the stand they read out lists of their prior convictions or if they were heavy drug users in the recent past/possibly current, and the jury was warned that they could take those things into account when weighing the testimony of those witnesses.

I would think the jury would get a similar warning about CW's accusation against Shanann, that he's on trial for murder and has a strong motive to lie about this. The jury has to make the ultimate decision on whether or not to believe anything said by any witness, but they can be warned to take things like that into consideration when weighing the importance or veracity of a witness statement.

 

[Johnny1181]

The murders of the girls ARE up in the air and CW's confession is evidence. The evidence at autopsy such as DNA may also support his confession. That's my opinion.

In your opinion. Which you're entitled to. The opinion that the murderer of Bella and CeCe may have been their loving, pregnant mother. Based on the confession of a murdering, smiling, lying adulterer. You are entitled to that opinion.

Based on the confession of a "man" who supposedly saw his babies being murdered and offered no life sustaining support. Did not call 911. Instead strangled his wife and killed his unborn son Nico.

Based on the confession of a "man" who then loaded the dead bodies of Bella, CeCe, Shannan and unborn Nico into his truck. And drove with them.

Then picked up Bella, or CeCe, we don't know who went first. And climbed all the way up that ladder with her, and dropped her in oil. Then down again, picked up his other daughter, climbed all the way up a different ladder, dumped her, then down again. Or perhaps he decided to dump Shanann and Nico in a shallow grave first. And shovel dirt over them.

Instead of calling 911. Instead of screaming his head off for help.

Based on the confession of a "man" who knowing he had committed these horrific acts, smiled, laughed, and showed off his shirt for the cameras on his porch. Knowing exactly where CeCe, Bella, Shanann, and Nico were. These are the facts we have. jmo

 

[Amonet]

In your opinion. Which you're entitled to. The opinion that the murderer of Bella and CeCe may have been their loving, pregnant mother. Based on the confession of a murdering, smiling, lying adulterer. You are entitled to that opinion.

Based on the confession of a "man" who supposedly saw his babies being murdered and offered no life sustaining support. Did not call 911. Instead strangled his wife and killed his unborn son Nico.

Based on the confession of a "man" who then loaded the dead bodies of Bella, CeCe, Shannan and unborn Nico into his truck. And drove with them.

Then picked up Bella, or CeCe, we don't know who went first. And climbed all the way up that ladder with her, and dropped her in oil. Then down again, picked up his other daughter, climbed all the way up a different ladder, dumped her, then down again. Or perhaps he decided to dump Shanann and Nico in a shallow grave first. And shovel dirt over them.

Instead of calling 911. Instead of screaming his head off for help.

Based on the confession of a "man" who knowing he had committed these horrific acts, smiled, laughed, and showed off his shirt for the cameras on his porch. Knowing exactly where CeCe, Bella, Shanann, and Nico were. These are the facts we have. jmo

I think that would work as a cautionary statement to the jury when they hear about CW's accusation against Shannan

 

[PommyMommy]

Gardener linked the article by Denver7 on this subject on page 1, post #6. Here is the video by Denver7 on whether CW should face the death penalty.

 

[Johnny1181]

Gardener linked the article by Denver7 on this subject on page 1, post #6. Here is the video by Denver7 on whether CW should face the death penalty.

Thank you for posting this, very informative and thought provoking. As much as I feel in my bones that he did this to Shanann, CeCe, Nico and Bella, and I want justice for them, I could not strap him down and inject the death penalty. So I wouldn't require others to.
I think he will get life without parole.

 

[Seattle1]

Thank you for posting this, very informative and thought provoking. As much as I feel in my bones that he did this to Shanann, CeCe, and Bella, and I want justice for them, I could not strap him down and inject the death penalty. So I wouldn't require others to.
I think he will get life without parole.

I agree. Until then, however, I still like the idea that CW has to sit and ponder if a DA and jury of his peers will vote him dead. MOO

 

[Johnny1181]

I agree. Until then, however, I still like the idea that CW has to sit and ponder if a DA and jury of his peers will vote him dead. MOO

Me too. I hope he is miserable but I fear he is not. And I hope he's attempting to hide his visitor logs because he has no visitors. Or support. Or hope. IMO He is a rare monster among the rarest of monsters. It's always so hard for me to accept this evil exists. But it does. jmo