Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[NuttMegg]

I don't doubt she felt ill on her business trip. She had lupus, fibromyalgia, was pregnant and her husband had turned into a jack A**. JMO, "ill" is far different from frantic.

If he hadn't already murdered the kids by the time she got home, she had to have been so tired that she fell asleep immediately. Which is when the coward murdered her. IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Possibly not feeling well bc she was upset about Chris. She was looking for a Romantic getaway for them . Again it seems she was actively wanting to save marriage. Imo frantic would happen at home when she found out he was leaving.

I don't think frantic is the right term. Those I've known who have gone through divorce with small children have been emotionally devastated when their partner wants to leave rather than work out their problems. JMO

 

[PrimeSuspect]

That's an argument I have only ever seen the prosecution make. In order to have bond denied.

Except an episode of I Love Lucy I have not heard of one case in the United States in which a defendant willfully gave up the right to bond because he or she felt it was "safer" in jail!

The public have already lost interest, there's been a massacre at a Pittsburgh synagogue, total of 11 victims. I can't imagine CW is rated higher in the most hated man alive scale. If CW were out on bail and using SM, he might receive some hateful comments, at most. It's a ridiculous suggestion CW's safety is a concern, imo. :facepalm:

 

[MassGuy]

If he hadn't already murdered the kids by the time she got home, she had to have been so tired that she fell asleep immediately. Which is when the coward murdered her. IMO

I think in this scenario, he killed her when she walked in the door.

She would have otherwise checked the kids, and discovered what he had done.

He wouldn’t want that fight.

 

[MsBetsy]

I've wondered whether they discussed custody during that "emotional" discussion CW admitted they had. Custody can be a very emotional topic. JMO

Not likely within a twenty minute period if you go by the time he initially claimed to wake her up. Even when he changed his story when talking to the second officer, it still leaves very little time to have a conversation about getting a separation, discuss who would have custody, go downstairs after the conversation, come back up and watch SW strangling a child in the baby monitor, lose control, strangle her, strip the beds, wrap up the bodies, back the car into the garage, and load all three bodies into the back of the car. Jmo

 

[NuttMegg]

I think in this scenario, he killed her when she walked in the door.

She would have otherwise checked the kids, and discovered what he had done.

He wouldn’t want that fight.

Without any (visible) marks on his head, neck and arms except the one hicky-like blotch, I think it's obvious he either ambushed her at the door or while she was asleep. I can't imagine how tired she must have been.

 

[RachB65]

Possibly not feeling well bc she was upset about Chris. She was looking for a Romantic getaway for them . Again it seems she was actively wanting to save marriage. Imo frantic would happen at home when she found out he was leaving.

Can u provide a link that says she was actively looking for a romantic getaway for the two of them when she died?

 

[molly1255]

Maybe he realized this, was worried about being in that potential situation, and it was part of his motive to end their lives?

I'm sure he did realize this. As for being part of the motive - I can definitely see this as a possibility. In their media interview, the Thayers said that when CW stayed with them Tuesday night, he told them he was going to sell the house. They said that was the first time they had heard about financial problems.

CW's wife and children were supposedly "missing" when he made this statement to the Thayers. He wasn't apparently concerned about them - he was apparently concerned about that house. JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't think frantic is the right term. Those I've known who have gone through divorce with small children have been emotionally devastated when their partner wants to leave rather than work out their problems. JMO

Sure. But these divorce discussions don’t devolve into both parties imitating the Boston Strangler.

That doesn’t happen.

Nor does a hideous coverup like this.

 

[MyBelle]

Huh? They are independent, and no even filed in the same court. Moving on - court will answer soon enough.

Respectfully, I was asking for a verified attorney to weigh in about the legal process pertaining to why the defense would file a bail motion in criminal court prior to the civil Judge's decision. JMO

 

[tmar]

Color. Although his claim of being able to see what he claimed to have seen is dubious at best.

Not that it matters though. As the ability to see something is not evidence that it occurred.

Of course common sense, and his insane/unprecedented story, tells us that like everything else he has said, this too is a lie.

CW also stated, in his interviews, that he saw the kids, on the monitors when he left for work, that morning.
We know this is a lie, about seeing them on the monitors then (as he disposed of their bodies).
Are we to believe that on the same monitors, he saw SW strangling the kids?
So we choose, to believe one version, but not the other?

I don't think so.
Both are lies, uttered by CW.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

There were no reports of her acting frantic, scared or mad in the hours leading up to her death. She did tell NUA that she was going to need her continued support, as a good friend, because she sensed there were problems in the marriage and knew it was serious.

But no one, of the many who saw her and communicated with her, said she was frantic or angry. She was not feeling well, reportedly.

and only SW knew after she entered her home the state that CW was in!

Imo, he was in a rage and the family were going to die that night! SW couldn't reach a stage like this in the physical/emotional state she was in, 15 weeks pregnant, tired and feeling unwell and having returned at nearly 2 am after flight delay of several hours, SW was in no state to fight or argue. I can't believe this will fly for CW but like FA's before him, they've got to blame someone!

 

[MassGuy]

CW also stated, in his interviews, that he saw the kids, on the monitors when he left for work, that morning.
We know this is a lie, about seeing them on the monitors then (as he disposed of their bodies).
Are we to believe that on the same monitors, he saw SW strangling the kids?
So we choose, to believe one version, but not the other?

I don't think so.
Both are lies, uttered by CW.

Boom! Exactly.

If anything, those monitors showed one thing. CW killing his entire family.

 

[MsBetsy]

Possibly not feeling well bc she was upset about Chris. She was looking for a Romantic getaway for them . Again it seems she was actively wanting to save marriage. Imo frantic would happen at home when she found out he was leaving.

What romantic getaway? The seperation was something she had been considering for awhile. It wasn't a surprise, and I really doubt after a long trip during which she was exhausted and not feeling well, with the fatigue of pregnancy, she would have had the energy to discuss the separation after getting about two hours of sleep, according to CW's story. There is a good reason he made sure to make the "emotional conversation" the first thing known to Shananns friend, one of the first things he told LE , and to make it known in the interview for the media. I wonder why that is? Setting up a motive for his wife, maybe?

 

[katydid23]

Respectfully, I was asking for a verified attorney to weigh in about the legal process pertaining to why the defense would file a bail motion in criminal court prior to the civil Judge's decision. JMO

ANYONE and EVERYONE is allowed to post their responses and opinions to a question.

 

[nwmouse]

There were no reports of her acting frantic, scared or mad in the hours leading up to her death. She did tell NUA that she was going to need her continued support, as a good friend, because she sensed there were problems in the marriage and knew it was serious.

But no one, of the many who saw her and communicated with her, said she was frantic or angry. She was not feeling well, reportedly.

Exactly. And she was probably unwell as she was 4 months pregnant with Lupus. I have not read any reports online that indicate she was angry/frantic etc.

 

[MassGuy]

What romantic getaway? The seperation was something she had been considering for awhile. It wasn't a surprise, and I really doubt after a long trip during which she was exhausted and not feeling well, with the fatigue of pregnancy, she would have had the energy to discuss the separation after getting about two hours of sleep, according to CW's story. There is a good reason he made sure to make the "emotional conversation" the first thing known to Shananns friend, one of the first things he told LE , and to make it known in the interview for the media. I wonder why that is? Setting up a motive for his wife, maybe?

Yes. Setting up a scenario where she plausibly could have taken the kids and fled.

Later, it set up a scenario where she murdered her children.

He milked that lie for all it was worth.

Points for trying though.

 

[nwmouse]

Possibly not feeling well bc she was upset about Chris. She was looking for a Romantic getaway for them . Again it seems she was actively wanting to save marriage. Imo frantic would happen at home when she found out he was leaving.

She probably wasn't well because she was 4 months pregnant with Lupus. A pregnancy without Lupus is enough to make many women feel unwell and I imagine hers was worse. If I was pregnant and was going through a possible rough patch in my marriage the very last thing I'd want is a romantic getaway. I'd stick with being able to get up, take care of the house and kids, help with an income and make my husband's dinner. And if I had a lout of a husband who came home whilst I was pregnant and announced he was leaving I'd help him go with a good kick in the pants. I would not be frantic. That's just me, though.
MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

I think if there was any "emotional discussion"at all, and that's a big if for me because it came from the mouth of an admitted liar and murderer, it was not a discussion at all but the horror of a mother finding her daughters murdered and then fighting for her life. jmo

Edited to correct spelling... as per usual lol

It sure seems like he had a reason for making sure everyone knew about this conversation on the day of the murder. First he tells her friend the minute she calls, then tells LE, then the entire world. It was very important for him to get that particular point out there. The first thing the friend thought was that it was very odd that he mentioned it to her, as she was calling to find out where she was and was so concerned about her. Very strange. Jmo

 

[JDough]

Ok so she would as well. Would she be able to do that?

Yes. She made just as much, if not more than he did. If anyone would have been upset that night, it would have been CW. I don't think he wanted to loose the cushy vacations, his car payment being made, and the lifestyle he had become accustomed to. I think he wanted to have his cake and eat it too. When the party was over, and the cake was gone (or leaving), he was the one who became upset and strangled the life right out of her. Therefore, in his mind, it was easier to murder and collect the life insurance for each of them. He would have some cash, and no responsibilities. Pretty attractive reason to kill, in his mind.