Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[Johnny1181]

They can charge him with whatever they want. What matters more is what the Judge thinks can be proved. JMO

Agreed, which is why he has no bond. What matters even more is what the jury thinks is proven. And imo.... that "man" is never seeing freedom again. Thank goodness. jmo

 

[gitana1]

What? It absolutely is specuation. The words of a lying cheating murderer are not proof. So because he said it, we should all take his word for it until we find out for sure otherwise? We have all been speculating how this crime went down, no matter who did it. We know for sure he killed SW and the baby and dumped his children's bodies. What we don't know for certain is if and how he killed the girls. Hence the over 40 threads on this subject. SW killing her babies is also speculation, although we haven't heard a lot of detailed theories on that other than that's what CW said happened.

I'd go farther than that. So the murder of the girls by their mother is fact because a known liar and killer said so? But the murder of the girls by that same liar and killer, who didn't bother to call for help, and immediately set about hiding the bodies, and lied for two days about their whereabouts while appearing dry-eyed and calm, that's just speculation?

To me it's almost the other way around. The possibility that he didn't kill the girls and she did, is almost nonexistent. We have tons of facts supporting the probability that he did it and absolutely nothing but the words of a smooth, grinning liar to support his ridiculous allegation.

Defies logic.

 

[ZsaZsa]

A ridiculous, self-serving “confession.”

It's not like he confessed and came clean. He was backed into a corner then finally admitted what was obvious. His wife was dead, he buried her, he finally, after how many days of lying, admits to strangling her. Duh!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

CW admitted he strangled SW, is that also a lie?

It is true CW saw his kids on the baby monitor before he left the house that morning. That also is included in the arrest affidavit. JMO

CW admitted it because he was caught out, who else could've strangled SW? So CW went to all the trouble of dumping his whole family and lie to police/friends and family to protect someone else, an intruder?

If CW had called 911 and handed himself to the police that night/morning, his 'admission' would hold some weight.

How is it the truth that CW saw his kids on the baby monitor before he left the house that morning? The children's bodies were in the back of his truck when he left the house.

 

[MassGuy]

We'll agree to disagree. Believing CW told the truth in confessing to the murder of his wife doesn't require anyone bend into a pretzel nor does the belief CW told the truth when he claimed SW murdered the children require "bending into a pretzel." JMO

No one has ever questioned that he murdered his wife.

Believing that he told the truth when he claimed that she murdered her children, does require one to “bend into a pretzel” though.

You would have to ignore or explain away his postoffense actions, and the fact that there is not a single documented case in all of human history, where two people with no prior warning signs, snapped at the same time and killed in the same way.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Hmm. Do you leave all your shoes downstairs usually?

I have a one story but I'm disorganized and shoes are in different places. They usually end up in the bedroom when I'm straightening up ad I usually take them off there as well.

No, that's true. I don't leave all of my shoes downstairs and now you have me actually rethinking her shoes. When I come home and if I'm going upstairs I will wear my shoes and take them off in my bedroom and put them away. If I come in and am not going upstairs I will take them off at the door and leave them there, probably until the next time I go out if I'm wearing the same ones. Like I said I have a basket for them and many times a week I will say/yell "Take your shoes upstairs" to everyone when there's too many in the basket. So I didn't find it odd she would take off her shoes and leave them at the door when she came in but now I'm thinking maybe she took them off because she didn't go directly upstairs. Now I can't even remember why we are even talking about the shoes. LOL.

 

[gitana1]

I believe, but attorneys correct me if I am wrong, the judge already had to find there to be enough persuasive evidence to meet some standard (cannot recall which standard - probable cause, more likely than not, etc) in order to deny any chance of bail.

Yes. Evident proof of guilt or great presumption of guilt.

That's a much higher standard than probable cause. It's a hard burden to meet.

ETA: I would say it's close to clear and convincing evidence.

 

[MyBelle]

But CW has been charged for killing his entire family.
His statement was not considered in this charge

I think his confession to the murder of SW very much was considered in the charges. There hasn't been an arraignment nor preliminary hearing on the charges nor has CW even entered a plea so I'm willing to keep an open mind.

JMO

 

[Tortoise]

It's possible her feet were aching and she was desperate to take off her shoes. Flights and pregnancy can cause feet to swell.

 

[Johnny1181]

I think his confession to the murder of SW very much was considered in the charges. There hasn't been an arraignment nor preliminary hearing on the charges nor has CW even entered a plea so I'm willing to keep an open mind.

JMO

So was his claim that Shanann killed Bella and CeCe. We see where that got him. jmo

 

[katydid23]

We haven’t heard anything about any sort of counseling. Had this happened, we would almost certainly know about this by now.

Shanann certainly would have told her friends, had they received counseling.

I agree that she would have told someone about it.

 

[Johnny1181]

Time for Halloween candy and comedies for me. Gotta shake off the evil of this case. Hopefully CW is miserable in his cell for good. jmo

 

[MassGuy]

I agree that she would have told someone about it.

I think it’s likely. Not that it really means a hell of a lot if it’s true, I guess.

She likely would have tried to save her marriage, had her husband not had other ideas.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I think his confession to the murder of SW very much was considered in the charges. There hasn't been an arraignment nor preliminary hearing on the charges nor has CW even entered a plea so I'm willing to keep an open mind.

JMO

I do not believe the charges would be any different had he made zero confession. It simply would have taken a few more days before they could charge him with it all, upon unearthing SW (whom they had located) and finding the girls (whom they were going to find shortly). There is an abundance of evidence to charge him with everything without him uttering a word of a confession, IMO. The house was locked up tight. He left after backing his trucking into the garage and putting things in it. He drove, which would be shown by GPS, to a place he worked, where the bodies were located and evidence of items missing from the house (sheet, etc) were found. There is zero doubt in my mind the charges would be the exact same had he kept his mouth shut. He knew this and was trying to mitigate his guilt, but it did not work, IMO.

 

[gitana1]

It's possible her feet were aching and she was desperate to take off her shoes. Flights and pregnancy can cause feet to swell.

Good observation! You're right.

So even if she was normally the type to put it right away or take them off in the bedroom, that would explain it.

 

[MyBelle]

CW admitted it because he was caught out, who else could've strangled SW? So CW went to all the trouble of dumping his whole family and lie to police/friends and family to protect someone else, an intruder?

If CW had called 911 and handed himself to the police that night/morning, his 'admission' would hold some weight.

How is it the truth that CW saw his kids on the baby monitor before he left the house that morning? The children's bodies were in the back of his truck when he left the house.

CW didn't have to admit to anything. We don't know if SW was strangled or not because the autopsy has not been released. What all did CW lie about to police? He denied an affair initially but admitted it when LE confirmed it.

CW told police he saw Bella was blue on the baby monitor and that SW was strangling CeCe. iirc, that would be prior to him leaving the house that morning.

I think it very possible CW killed SW in the heat of passion. If he had called 911, I have no doubt he would still be right where he is.
JMO

 

[katydid23]

Thank you so much! Now I have to rethink things. LOL! I still believe the girls were first and CW ambushed SW, but I need to analyse where things were found. I did read the report when it came out, but there's been so much! Thanks again, you're the best!

When I think of her setting down the suitcase and purse and taking off her shoes, it makes me think she just wanted to quietly tip toe upstairs and get some sleep. She didn't want to wake anyone, just wanted to peek in on her girls, then go to bed as soon as possible. JMO IMO

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I do not believe the charges would be any different had he made zero confession. It simply would have taken a few more days before they could charge him with it all, upon unearthing SW (whom they had located) and finding the girls (whom they were going to find shortly). There is an abundance of evidence to charge him with everything without him uttering a word of a confession, IMO. The house was locked up tight. He left after backing his trucking into the garage and putting things in it. He drove, which would be shown by GPS, to a place he worked, where the bodies were located and evidence of items missing from the house (sheet, etc) were found. There is zero doubt in my mind the charges would be the exact same had he kept his mouth shut. He knew this and was trying to mitigate his guilt, but it did not work, IMO.

I wonder if he would have supporters had he not confessed. Had he not confessed to the murder of SW or accused her of killing the girls but we still had the charges and know everything else we know about this case, would there still be doubters of his guilt? If so, you would have to think a stranger killed everyone and then CW hid all of their bodies afterward. Would anyone think "Oh I wonder if maybe mom killed the kids and then dad killed mom and buried all of their bodies?" It's such a leap with or without a confession.

 

[katydid23]

CW didn't have to admit to anything. We don't know if SW was strangled or not because the autopsy has not been released. What all did CW lie about to police? He denied an affair initially but admitted it when LE confirmed it.

CW told police he saw Bella was blue on the baby monitor and that SW was strangling CeCe. iirc, that would be prior to him leaving the house that morning.

I think it very possible CW killed SW in the heat of passion. If he had called 911, I have no doubt he would still be right where he is.
JMO

"What all did CW lie about to police?"

He lied initially by saying his family was safe and sound, sleeping when he left that morning. No mention that he had wrapped them up in garbage bags and disposed of them earlier that day.

He lied by saying they were on a play date that morning, but he didn't remember the friend's name.

He lied by saying he called and messaged his wife but didn't understand why she didn't reply.

He lied when he told LE he wanted to go searching but he wasn't sure where to look.

ETC ETC ETC

 

[katydid23]

CW admitted he strangled SW, is that also a lie?

It is true CW saw his kids on the baby monitor before he left the house that morning. That also is included in the arrest affidavit. JMO

How is is true that he saw his kids on the baby monitor before he left the house that morning? They were bagged up and piled in his back seat by then.