Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[bonjoviblonde]

So many assumptions being made about a woman from social media videos while his actions, lies, interviews and charges are either ignored or excused. I've never seen anything quite like this case and I hope this isn't going to be the norm. There's no way to know, but I wonder if CW hadn't blamed SW for the children's murders if we would still see the attitude some have towards SW, a murder victim.

 

[molly1255]

Agree, and the fact that CW had enough time to engage in an affair, or affairs, tells me he wasn't pulling his weight at home.

 

[Only4Justice]

I am soooo sad for all of the victims, but CeCe and Bella didn't even have a chance.

 

[wildflower@]

To me it makes perfect sense that he admitted to killing his wife but not the children. He knew there was no other option. LE would know he had to have killed her. His claim that she killed the children was the only hope he had to ensure a lighter sentence, of avoiding the death penalty, and the fact that the dead don't care about their reputation has nothing to do with it. He obviously cares about his own. Jmo

lighter sentence?

he confessed to murder one. I do not think he is getting a lighter sentence.

especially on a high profile case with details like this

juries are people -- sticking children in oil tanks is pretty gruesome .

He confessed to murder one and will be gone forever.

The death penalty does not really mean anything other than wasting millions of dollars.

Keep him in jail.

 

[PommyMommy]

CW is the only one in the marriage who was cheating. There is ZERO evidence and ZERO reporting to support any insinuation that Shanann was not pregnant or that CW was not the father. To baselessly suggest that Shanann was lying about her pregnancy or that the father of Nico was anyone but Chris is a textbook example of victim bashing. MOO

The day she had her first ultrasound for the couple’s third child, Shanann proclaimed, “I love Chris. He’s the best dad us girls could ask for.”

LA, a longtime friend of Shanann Watts, told 9NEWS that the mom-to-be was very excited to have a little boy. Arnold said the gender reveal party was scheduled for this week.

“Bella was excited about having a baby so she was constantly rubbing her stomach and talking to her stomach while Cece’s like climbing on chairs and pulling stuff down," LA said.
Colorado mom and husband described as 'perfect couple' ahead of alleged murders

“You do so much everyday for us and take such great care of us. You are the reason I was brave enough to agree to number 3!”

On June 19, she posted a screenshot of their texts after she sent him a photo of her ultrasound; he replied that he loved the little peanut already.

Shanann Watts
Shanann Watts' Picture-Perfect Marriage On Facebook Was Anything But | HuffPost

Oops, we did it again.
Shanann Watts

"Bella hugs and kisses my Belly! She does it every time she sees me now."
Shanann Watts

“According to Bella, there’s 5 babies in my belly.”
Shanann Watts

Baby boy room ideas
https://www.pinterest.com/shanannwatts/baby-boy-room-ideas/

Shanann Watts' friend, AB, told KDVR the "gender reveal" party was going to be held at the Watts' home in the town of Frederick, north of Denver.

"Chris wants a boy," she said in a video. "I hope it's a boy for him. It will make him happy."
'I hope it's a boy for him': Pregnant wife, weeks before husband allegedly killed her

According to a Facebook post from her brother, Frankie Rzucek, she was pregnant with a boy. The baby was going to be named Niko, the post says. KDVR reported that only a few family members knew it was a boy.
Shanann Watts was to have a 'gender reveal' party Saturday - CNN

07:46
Q: You guys have a baby on the way.
Mm-hmm.

07:48
Q: (inaudible) child?
Mm-hmm.

07:51
Q: Is that (inaudible) your mind too?
It’s like that’s why I want everybody back. That’s why I want everybody, I need everybody back here and everybody safe.
<End>
OneDrive (With credit and a huge thank you to @Cinnalauda for transcribing the interviews!)

Shan’ann wanted one more child praying for a baby boy. She named him Nico Lee. With the anticipation of her son to join them she knew he would be loved by his sisters and family.
http://sandhillssentinel.com/obituary-for-shanann-cathryn-watts-and-children/

 

[NuttMegg]

CW is the only one in the marriage who was cheating. There is ZERO evidence and ZERO reporting to support any insinuation that Shanann was not pregnant or that CW was not the father. To baselessly suggest that Shanann was lying about her pregnancy or that the father of Nico was anyone but Chris is a textbook example of victim bashing. MOO

The day she had her first ultrasound for the couple’s third child, Shanann proclaimed, “I love Chris. He’s the best dad us girls could ask for.”

LA, a longtime friend of Shanann Watts, told 9NEWS that the mom-to-be was very excited to have a little boy. Arnold said the gender reveal party was scheduled for this week.

“Bella was excited about having a baby so she was constantly rubbing her stomach and talking to her stomach while Cece’s like climbing on chairs and pulling stuff down," LA said.
Colorado mom and husband described as 'perfect couple' ahead of alleged murders

“You do so much everyday for us and take such great care of us. You are the reason I was brave enough to agree to number 3!”

On June 19, she posted a screenshot of their texts after she sent him a photo of her ultrasound; he replied that he loved the little peanut already.
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Shanann Watts
Shanann Watts' Picture-Perfect Marriage On Facebook Was Anything But | HuffPost

Oops, we did it again.
Shanann Watts

"Bella hugs and kisses my Belly! She does it every time she sees me now."
Shanann Watts

“According to Bella, there’s 5 babies in my belly.”
Shanann Watts

Baby boy room ideas
https://www.pinterest.com/shanannwatts/baby-boy-room-ideas/

Shanann Watts' friend, AB, told KDVR the "gender reveal" party was going to be held at the Watts' home in the town of Frederick, north of Denver.

"Chris wants a boy," she said in a video. "I hope it's a boy for him. It will make him happy."
'I hope it's a boy for him': Pregnant wife, weeks before husband allegedly killed her

According to a Facebook post from her brother, Frankie Rzucek, she was pregnant with a boy. The baby was going to be named Niko, the post says. KDVR reported that only a few family members knew it was a boy.
Shanann Watts was to have a 'gender reveal' party Saturday - CNN

07:46
Q: You guys have a baby on the way.
Mm-hmm.

07:48
Q: (inaudible) child?
Mm-hmm.

07:51
Q: Is that (inaudible) your mind too?
It’s like that’s why I want everybody back. That’s why I want everybody, I need everybody back here and everybody safe.
<End>
OneDrive (With credit and a huge thank you to @Cinnalauda for transcribing the interviews!)

Shan’ann wanted one more child praying for a baby boy. She named him Nico Lee. With the anticipation of her son to join them she knew he would be loved by his sisters and family.
http://sandhillssentinel.com/obituary-for-shanann-cathryn-watts-and-children/

I hate to see it on this forum. That there is no proof that she was pregnant, there is no proof he was the father, there is no proof she wasn't seeing a mental health professional. Same old thing, prove a negative or accept the slur. Thank you Pommy for all your research and good vibes.

I suspect the autopsy proved that she was pregnant so they can't use that slur and innuendo against her after those data are released.

 

[gitana1]

lighter sentence?

he confessed to murder one. I do not think he is getting a lighter sentence.

especially on a high profile case with details like this

juries are people -- sticking children in oil tanks is pretty gruesome .

He confessed to murder one and will be gone forever.

The death penalty does not really mean anything other than wasting millions of dollars.

Keep him in jail.

No he didn't. A heat of passion killing is not murder one. It's second degree murder reduced to third degree "extraordinary risk" felony with a range of 4-16 years, if they find he acted with a heat of passion.

Of course I doubt he knew the exact legalities but people typically know that if there's an excuse of some sort (I lost my mind! It was self defense!) there is some mitigation and moral excuse.

 

[PommyMommy]

They were married and therefore equally responsible for any financial situation they were in. Together. As adults.

The idea that Shanann was dripping in jewels and designer things while poor Chris lived in tattered 2nd hand clothes is offensively laughable imo.

Yes, it is. Don't even get me started on Sephora, pizza joints and Chick-fil-A.
MOO

 

[Thepoet]

I can't go along with blaming the murdered woman Shan'nan for living beyond means. We have no idea how much money CW spent on his APs over the years. Is it possible that he had a love nest apartment rented for his extracurricular activities? That lawn mower was meant to mow the lawn of an estate, and that is one humongous grill for a steak now and then. IIRC Shan'nan's selling of her house provided the down payment for the new big house even though it was first in his name. Did he have any money saved up by that time in his life, or investments like she did? There is no proof, not an iota, that Shan'nan spent more money than he did.

You are correct. Yes, the AP had to cost money, among other things. CW has tattoos, which can be expensive, depending on when and where he got them. Did they pay extra for the NASCAR channel on cable? What electronics did he have? I'm sure he had his own perks. Without an audit, it's all speculation. We don't know their assets, debt to income ratio, credit scores, etc. Everyone has made and will make financial mistakes or incur unexpected problems. To me this is unfair nitpicking. IMHO.

 

[katydid23]

The notion of an ambush does not really fit with the suitcase being placed where it was, the purse, nicely placed on the counter, the shoes orderly placed . That fits with the confession.


Much has been made of the car seats in her car. All the car seats in the car does is fit in with the confession.

And all of the above fits with the opposite of his confession as well.


The notion of an ambush fits just fine with the placement of her suitcase and shoes and purse. She very well could have been ambushed as she reached the top of the stairs. And maybe that’s why her cell was lost in the cushions where it was found?


As for the car seats, that fits either scenario.

The pillow case and sheet in garbage can seem most explained by the confession - someone not really thinking all that clearly cause he just killed his wife and his two kids are dead in his house.


Much has made about him grilling . She described him eating steaks all the time - I do not think this was some big plan - he liked steak.

Once again, the circumstances you describe can be explained by either scenario. The bedding, the grilling, can fit either way.

The location of the cell phone, if anything, indicates a chaotic event, as reported in the confession.


The notion that bed was stripped (observers) might actually be bed linen being accidently ripped off during violent activity as indicated in the confession. If it were an attempt to hide anything they would not just be there.


The girls blankets missing fits with the confession - he stated he moved and deposited the children.

The location of the cell does possibly indicate a chaotic event, like maybe an ambush by CW?


Why would you say that if it was an attempt to hide anything, the bedding would not be there? Wasn’t it accidental? And weren’t the bodies hidden? I don’t think he expected them to be found so quickly.


As for the ‘confession’ that he moved and ‘deposited’ the girls into the tanks. He had no choice but to confess to that. He buried them on his work site, where his GPS pinpointed him, where witnesses saw him and where his cell pinged. What else could he say?

 

[NuttMegg]

No he didn't. A heat of passion killing is not murder one. It's second degree murder reduced to third degree "extraordinary risk" felony with a range of 4-16 years, if they find he acted with a heat of passion.

Of course I doubt he knew the exact legalities but people typically know that if there's an excuse of some sort (I lost my mind! It was self defense!) there is some mitigation and moral excuse.

IIRC He had the opportunity for consultations with one or more ppl who were not the police, before he declared he would then tell the truth. No way did CW come up with that alternative to murder 1 all by his lonesome.

 

[PommyMommy]

You are correct. Yes, the AP had to cost money, among other things. CW has tattoos, which can be expensive, depending on when and where he got them. Did they pay extra for the NASCAR channel on cable? What electronics did he have? I'm sure he had his own perks. Without an audit, it's all speculation. We don't know their assets, debt to income ratio, credit scores, etc. Everyone has made and will make financial mistakes or incur unexpected problems. To me this is unfair nitpicking. IMHO.

Your post just reminded me - did we ever get links for any of this?
1) Bank records
2) CW made house and school payments
Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

 

[gitana1]

I hate to see it on this forum. That there is no proof that she was pregnant, there is no proof he was the father, there is no proof she wasn't seeing a mental health professional. Same old thing, prove a negative or accept the slur. Thank you Pommy for all your research and good vibes.

I suspect the autopsy proved that she was pregnant so they can't use that slur and innuendo against her after those data are released.

It's pretty sick IMO.

 

[molly1255]

We know little other than an adult , two children are dead.

We know he is in jail and his confession.

That is it.

We have no idea if she wanted to save the marriage.

We have no idea if she was pregnant. Prank pregnancy tests are easy to obtain.

We have no idea who the father is.

We have no idea if she was not having affair.

We have no idea why he placed the deceased the way he did.

We have no idea what the Hippa stuff is about.

We have no idea now when the children were killed.

Some things we know:

The notion of an ambush does not really fit with the suitcase being placed where it was, the purse, nicely placed on the counter, the shoes orderly placed . That fits with the confession.

Much has been made of the car seats in her car. All the car seats in the car does is fit in with the confession.

The pillow case and sheet in garbage can seem most explained by the confession - someone not really thinking all that clearly cause he just killed his wife and his two kids are dead in his house.

Much has made about him grilling . She described him eating steaks all the time - I do not think this was some big plan - he liked steak.

The garage door deal not working has not been disputed by LE - so it appears that was the truth.

We have no idea if someone who acknowledged a need for order did not by habit leave her keys in her car, in the garage - in fact it makes some sense as it relates to her need for order.

The location of the cell phone, if anything, indicates a chaotic event, as reported in the confession.

The notion that bed was stripped (observers) might actually be bed linen being accidently ripped off during violent activity as indicated in the confession. If it were an attempt to hide anything they would not just be there.

The girls blankets missing fits with the confession - he stated he moved and deposited the children.

The girls beds not being made fits with her description of him acting liking a bachelor when she was gone.

The likelihood of steroid abuse is high. His fluctuations in body were drastic and marked. Most of us are aware of roid rage which is in line with the confession as it relates to losing it.

All the doubt about the male sex partner ignore the fact that LE found him via CW cell phone - which matches how Trent described they met (cell).

Connections have been made of the alleged choking during sex. That has been extrapolated out to the killing. The same person described him as going off during sex - obviously that individual was not bothered by it in that she continued to have sex with him. Mutual role play is in all likelihood more likely.

We have no confirmation of wild statements on her part. She got her own house at 25 while making 24K a year. Locate the house - I have - laughable.

We know about financial problems while seeing her expensive closets, manicures, travel and a Lexus. We see him in an old truck and some cheap shorts and shirt. It would be logical to conclude that the financial problems were of her making.

For some reason they fled to the other side of the country leaving interior furnishings there. The current house was nicely appointed, before Thrive - so one would have to come to the conclusion that she spent the money for the new house.

That in and of itself is more than curious.

Thrive does not give folks cars. The small print on the stuff indicates that if targets are met they are given CREDIT toward a car. Common sense ,from a financial point of view clearly indicate that giving away luxury vehicles to people who sell a certain amount of patches would not be ideal from a corporate level.

If one checks out the guy at the head of thrive you will find he was fired from his previous position for money mismanagement.

The family is destroyed. So whatever image was created by her was obviously a fabrication. A big one.

In essence what little we have fits his confession, while her declarations of what was going on in the house warrants much scrutiny.

The defense instantly wanting neck info - if anything gives much merit to his version. Defense attorneys do not typically beg for forensic tests that convict their clients from the onset.

We have no idea what medications she was on. But there was mention that some was left downstairs in her purse. Logically this would indicate that whatever the medication was probably much more a PRN (xanax possibly) as opposed to some life threatening medication.

His statement that he went downstairs justs fits. He just did not want to deal with a emotional outburst at that time and just stepped away.

The notion that he needed her financially is incorrect. He was making reasonably money and was involved with an affluent family. If anyone would have financial struggles in the event of divorce in all likelihood it would be her.

He had skill sets (car/oil) - she sold patches of something.

The notion that it is speculation that she killed two children is just not the case. That is what police have stated he said as fact. Noone is making up the possibility that that is what happened.

Can not be a rule in or a rule out.

The hero notion of her friend is also somewhat out there. IMO the reality here is her best friend knew she could be emotionally fragile and possibly self harm. At no time did the friend report that she had concerns of her being in physical danger (DV). Nor has anyone else involved ever made mention of such.

The friend rushing over there in such a short period of time actually feels much more like a suicide concern than a triple murder notion. Welfare checks (for their age group) would be more self harm than anything else.

She was histrionic to say the least. A dramatic suicide attempt after learning that her rock, her life, the bestest thing ever ever in her life, on the planet, seems far more likely on the friends part.

It the friend was so scared she was with a murderer she would have placed the welfare call from where she was - you can not be wasting time if your friend is with a wild murderer.

His locking the door from the inside is what someone who just killed someone would do.

Someone who just murdered someone would also lie. The uproar over his porch interview never made any sense to me. The nationwide shock that a murderer would try to hide that he just committed a murder is the norm. It is not this big mystery. It is the stuff of all true crime.

The same applies to not calling 911. Murderers do not call 911 generally speaking. There are logical reasons for this --three dead bodies would result in a visit from LE - just how it would work out.

HIV entering the dialog is strange IMO. For someone who reports she has many illnesses the jumping to the Hipaa stuff as being HIV related was, in this day and age shocking. A quarter of all new HIV diagnoses are heterosexual contact.

We can not jump to the conclusion that because they charged him with all deaths means that is what occurred. Charging a dead person is rather meaningless. It is a high profile case.

At the end of the day we have to conclude that there certainly are secrets here - they are not acting like confident prosecutors at all.

There might be reasons for this.

"We have no confirmation of wild statements on her part. She got her own house at 25 while making 24K a year. Locate the house - I have - laughable."

I've also located that house and it's not laughable. What's laughable, IMO, is the assertion she only made $24,000 a year when she bought that house. Where is the source for that? Was SW supposed to have claimed that? I'd love to see that if it exists.

I've also located the record on her mortgage. It was an FHA mortgage and in was in her name only. She put down the minimum allowable by FHA, so no one gave her a cash gift to make a big down payment on that house, either.

She qualified for a big mortgage on that house, all on her own, and she would have been required to "prove" her income. There's no wiggle room on that. She never would have qualified for a mortgage of that size on an income of $24,000 a year.

She was only 25 years old when she bought that beautiful house. If you do the math, you will find that I am correct on this.

 

[MsBetsy]

lighter sentence?

he confessed to murder one. I do not think he is getting a lighter sentence.

especially on a high profile case with details like this

juries are people -- sticking children in oil tanks is pretty gruesome .

He confessed to murder one and will be gone forever.

The death penalty does not really mean anything other than wasting millions of dollars.

Keep him in jail.

Yes, he confessed to killing Shanann but he may hope it is seen as a form of self defence, or that he went into an out of control rage after being traumatized by seeing his children killed. Things like this have been used in the past in order to plea down to a lower charge so it's not that far off to assume he may be trying to do the same. Also, the death sentence may not seem to make a difference to us but could very well be significant to those who care about CW. Especially his family. Jmo

 

[molly1255]

He sure was there a lot according to the SM posts. She was gone a lot vacationing, making videos while he was according to her cleaning, cooking, playing games with the kids, mowing the yard.

The only time I saw her play with the kids was when she was shooting water in the kids face.

Chris was playing with kids with the whipped creams - she filmed and gave orders.

She filmed and gave orders while he was playing with kids hair.

She filmed and gave orders while he was playing with them running around in circles.

She filmed and gave orders while he was carrying them on his shoulders.

I am sure I have not seen everything - but thus far I have not seen anything other than her filming, directing everyone or talking about herself and how amazing her husband was .

I am new and do not know if videos are allowed - but that is all I have seen.

If there allowed and anyone has seen any video of her playing with the children, talking with her husband etc etc that would be great if they could be put up here.

He is a murderer - that he has acknowledged and needs to spend the rest of his life in prison.

The only interactions I saw of her and the kids alone was complaining about how hard they were to control.

As far as Trent being contacted by LE way before Trent went on AB he discussed the distress of learning what CW had done. In those moving posts he described the problems he was experiencing. He described LE contacting him because he was on CW phone.

We have to notice that LE has never said that the sex between them was not true. In addition, from the beginning LE left out gender whenever referring to an affair. IMO that fits in that by that time they knew he had sex with men as well woman. They (on purpose) left out gender when referring to an affair - which at first I thought was odd.

AB crew confirmed seeing texts between the two before deciding to air his story.

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Did you happen to see the videos that SW made where he was supposed to be playing with the kids, but was sitting there like a statue and the kids were playing around him?

That was quite interesting to see. ETA - SW reported she had to go through six weeks of mail when she returned to Colorado from her NC visit. She also made meals for him in advance for the entire time she was gone. Why was he unable to make his own meals?

Why couldn't he go through the mail when she was gone? Wouldn't that be the responsible thing for him to do, and not let it stack up with bills, notices, etc. for six weeks and then let her deal with it?

 

[kirkassoc]

lighter sentence?

he confessed to murder one. I do not think he is getting a lighter sentence.

especially on a high profile case with details like this

juries are people -- sticking children in oil tanks is pretty gruesome .

He confessed to murder one and will be gone forever.

The death penalty does not really mean anything other than wasting millions of dollars.

Keep him in jail.

Keeping him in jail for 40 years or so is wasting money. My hospital bill shows the cost of being "anaesthetized" for surgery is approx. $2,000.00. Giving them a little more would not add that much, IMHO. He deserves no less for the horrific deaths of his little girls, his little boy and his wife. MOO> Don't waste taxpayer money supporting him in luxury the rest of his normal life.

 

[Thepoet]

No he didn't. A heat of passion killing is not murder one. It's second degree murder reduced to third degree "extraordinary risk" felony with a range of 4-16 years, if they find he acted with a heat of passion.

Of course I doubt he knew the exact legalities but people typically know that if there's an excuse of some sort (I lost my mind! It was self defense!) there is some mitigation and moral excuse.

Thanks Gitana1. Do you think his actions after the murder(s), especially the cover up and gruesome means employed, will offer the prosecution a major opportunity to refute "heat of passion"? Also wouldn't their size and strength difference and her health and pregnancy factor in to the amount of appropriate response in defending himself or others?

 

[katydid23]

He sure was there a lot according to the SM posts. She was gone a lot vacationing, making videos while he was according to her cleaning, cooking, playing games with the kids, mowing the yard.

The only time I saw her play with the kids was when she was shooting water in the kids face.

Chris was playing with kids with the whipped creams - she filmed and gave orders.

She filmed and gave orders while he was playing with kids hair.

She filmed and gave orders while he was playing with them running around in circles.

She filmed and gave orders while he was carrying them on his shoulders.

I am sure I have not seen everything - but thus far I have not seen anything other than her filming, directing everyone or talking about herself and how amazing her husband was .

I am new and do not know if videos are allowed - but that is all I have seen.

If there allowed and anyone has seen any video of her playing with the children, talking with her husband etc etc that would be great if they could be put up here.

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You do realize that these videos you saw were ALL made for a specific purpose, right? These videos that you described were all 'work' videos made by SW, in order to ADVERTISE her Thrive lifestyle.

These videos were not 'real life.' You did not get a snippet of their reality. The rest of her day and night did not look exactly like her few minutes of live streaming.

She was DIRECTING those work commercials. When directing a commercial, one orders others around. They set the stage and direct the movements and activities. That's why all you see is her 'directing' everyone.

The rest of the day/night would be her doing the things that you described above----playing with her girls, talking with her husband and fixing their meals, driving them to play dates, etc etc. She didn't film everything, just what she needed for her work content.

 

[Thepoet]

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Did you happen to see the videos that SW made where he was supposed to be playing with the kids, but was sitting there like a statue and the kids were playing around him?

That was quite interesting to see. ETA - SW reported she had to go through six weeks of mail when she returned to Colorado from her NC visit. She also made meals for him in advance for the entire time she was gone. Why was he unable to make his own meals?

Why couldn't he go through the mail when she was gone? Wouldn't that be the responsible thing for him to do, and not let it stack up with bills, notices, etc. for six weeks and then let her deal with it?

He didn't have time to go through mail or prepare meals, he was busy planning and setting up three murders. Sorry. Seriously, I think it's obvious he was busy being a playboy and living his dream life. No cares, no worries, only fun. Base, shallow, and selfish.